The Swinging Eleventh
Let’s say you have a job. Which in all likelihood means that you have a boss. And let’s say the boss is somewhere in between a lech and a perv. He’s constantly talking about his sexual conquests and looking for more of them. Which you figure, is his business and you’d just as soon not talk about his dating life all that much.
But very unfortunately for you, the boss thinks that your spouse is attractive and comments about your spouse’s physical appearance. Then, seemingly out of the blue, he asks you to arrange a sexual encounter between him and your spouse.† When you balk, he says that if you do that, he’ll make sure you get some money.† And after you still say no, man, you don’t get it, I’m not into that, the boss says how about I bring along a date and the four of us can, you know, “party” together?† There’s still that bonus in it for you if you can make that happen!† And you understand exactly what he’s angling for, since you’re not nearly as dense as this fellow:
Now, especially during a recession, jobs are hard to come by, and you don’t want to offend your boss unnecessarily. But you’re just plain not into that kind of thing. So it’s kind of uncomfortable for you at work because you want to not get fired but come on, there’s a pretty bright line being crossed here.
So you ask the boss to stop it with the “indecent proposals” already, but he doesn’t. He offers you money to procure sex with a waitress at a restaurant where you have lunch. And you complain to the higher-ups, but no one does anything about it.† So you file suit. And the best legal theory you and your lawyer can come up with is Title VII. Because this sure sounds like sexual harassment, doesn’t it?
Well, according to the United States District Court for the Northern District of Florida, and also the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, no, that’s actually not sexual harassment.‡ Because your boss isn’t treating you any differently than he otherwise would because of your gender, and it’s your gender, not your spouse’s, that’s at issue in a claim under 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-2(a)(1). Had the boss propositioned you directly, well, that’d be another thing.
But as outrageous as this pattern of conduct is, it doesn’t meet the definition of an “unlawful employment practice” under Federal civil rights law. At least you don’t have to pay back your employer’s attorney fees for the privilege of having sued them and lost.‡
This seems wrong to me. Seems to me that when the workplace environment is thoroughly saturated with comments of a sexual nature by a supervisor such that the basic terms and conditions of employment are unreasonably altered, even without a direct sexual proposition to the employee, you have a hostile workplace environment and that’s actionable under Title VII. Or at least you ought to have the possibility of proving that to a jury.
I sure hope the plaintiff appeals. This is a bad place to leave the law.
† Are you outraged yet?
‡ Oh, you weren’t outraged before? Well, how about now?
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Surprise surprise I agree with you.
There needs to be a very in-depth psychological and neurological and anthropological study to see why people like the boss keep on getting into positions where they are the boss and can make their pervy comments or actions.
I don’t even get why someone would find it socially acceptable to make such comments. Is there perhaps a chutzpah that allows people with no censorship mechanism to travel far in life?
It seems to me that this is pretty much quid pro quo sexual harassment even if it involved the spouse and not the employee. If someone felt he or she would be denied employment, promotion, or be terminated unless arranging an indecent proposal than he or she should be allowed to file a sexual harassment claim.Report
The courts sometimes!
Well, at the least this might pan out like the recent “upskirt” imbroglio her in MA, which a law quickly clarified, passed, and signed.Report
OMGWTFBBQ!
I cannot imagine how being repeatedly asked to hook your boss up with your wife doesn’t create a hostile workplace environment.Report
At the very least!Report
That was my immediate thought as well. Hostile work environment, even more so than sexual harassment, although I’d put both in the original complaint.Report
Wow. That’s incredibly disturbing. And there’s definitely something wrong with the law.
no, that’s actually not sexual harassment.‡ Because your boss isn’t treating you any differently than he otherwise would because of your gender
Logically, this connotes that nothing a bisexual employer does could constitute sexual harassment.Report
As long as the bisexual employer is careful to creepily proposition-but-somehow-not-harass employees of both genders?Report
“Joe, I’d like to sleep with your wife, and Betty, I’d like to sleep with your husband, but I’m not asking to sleep with either of you.”
Sounds like it might work. Weird, though.Report
I’d think that a decent prosecutor could do something with him offering money in exchange for you arranging sex.Report
I am stunned. And outraged. And furious.
I thought it would be a months or years before I read about a ruling that would outrage me more that the MA Supreme Court ruling on the legal right of men to secretly take photos up girls’ skirts and post them online. And lookee here: the 11th managed to do it in just under three weeks.Report
Holy crap, I just clicked over to the ruling.
This place of employment was a PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT???!!!Report
Well, you know how liberal those swinging educators are…
😉Report
Well, you know how liberal those swinging educators are…
You don’t know the half of it.Report
See what sex ed in schools will lead to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqI-28meTZ8Report
A public school district?! It’s the union’s fault.Report
According to this, http://www.newsherald.com/news/crime-public-safety/discrimination-suit-against-school-district-thrown-out-1.196618?page=0, the supervisor has resigned his position.Report
No one’s forcing him to work there, right? If he wants a job that doesn’t include constant demands for kinky sex, let him find one.Report
It seems like the suit was dismissed because it was specifically about gender discrimination. Is there a way to file a sexual harassment claim that does not require gender discrimination? If so, there was probably a much better argument that could have been made. If not, of course, there is a gigantic hole in federal law wrt sexual harassment.Report
Also, if the actual argument had nothing to do with gender discrimination, the judges on the 11th are full of it.Report
I’m just going to join the chorus and express outrage at this opinion. It might not be a classic case of sexual harassment but an employer hinting to an employee that he’ll get fired if he doesn’t allow the boss to sleep with your wife is at very least an abuse of power.Report
Just curious, was this state or federal law? And if state law, is this a common wording and a common reading of such laws? How likely is this to happen in other states? In my state? If this is federal, how hard would it be to fix it? Here in MA we fixed the upskirt thing really fast. Can such a thing happen in this case?Report
A good lawyer would write a complaint with every law that they thought was applicable and this would include federal and state laws.
State laws on employment discrimination and harassment vary wildly.Report
Oh and I hope Mozilla doesn’t promote this guy to CEO.
*crickets*
Too soon?Report
A bit, but that’s the risk you run being an Eichonoclast.Report
Let’s posit for a moment that the judges on these courts aren’t complete and total idiots. This may in fact be a correct–or at least plausibly correct–reading of the law.* What may be outrageous here is not the ruling, but a gap in the law. And that gap in the law (assuming that’s what’s going on here) may in fact be because the defendant’s behavior is so outrageous that nobody anticipated it when writing the law.
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*I don’t actually know. I haven’t read Title VII or the relevant cases closely–certainly not as closely as I would assume these judges have as a consequence of hearing this case.Report
The good professor has a point here. The 11th’s reading of 42 USC § 2000e-2(a)(1) is more than colorable: it is, in fact, probably better read as predicating discriminatory treatment upon the plaintiff’s membership in a protected class (in this case, gender). The plaintiff’s spouse is not the victim (although she may very well be squicked out by the whole thing), and the putative harasser’s conduct is based upon the gender of the plaintiff’s spouse, not the plaintiff.
I almost fell for it myself. Where it stumbles is a bunch of caselaw describing what a hostile workplace environment is, and unfortunately I do not have time to research and cite it at the moment. I’m thinking of the Jacksonville shipyard and the Caesar’s palace receiving warehouse cases. Suffice to say that I suspect that there is common-law support for a sufficiently sexually-charged general atmosphere giving rise to a cause of action for environmental harassment despite the absence of individually-directed conduct. So the problem was not that the panel ignored the statute, the problem is that the panel ignored the case law interpreting the statute.Report
Do you have those case cites?
From what I was able to find, the Caesar’s palace receiving warehouse case was interpreting § 2000e-2(m), and so is not directly on point. The only Jacksonville shipyard case I could find was an M.D. Florida case, so not controlling authority for the 11th Circuit.Report
And of course I haven’t read those cases, and however colorable the 11th’s textual reading of the law might be, the actual on-the-ground meaning of the law is also determined by the existing case law, as my friend, Burt, notes. And having read none of that particular case law myself, I hurry to affirm my point was only theoretical, not meant as a definitove statement about this particular case. Which also squicks me out, badly. I think Nick Cage’s character in Raising Arizona had an appropriate response.Report
Didn’t Crooked Timber once claim that if you’re a libertarian, you are obliged to wholeheartedly support the boss in a scenario exactly like this?Report
I think this is a fair analysis. Here’s what I took to be the relevant part from the decision:
and the relevant portion from that case:
So, according to the supreme court at least, it seems like Title VII is only meant to target the subset of harassment that is gender discriminatory.Report
So there’s no law against sexual harassment that isn’t gender-discriminatory in nature? That strikes me as a major gap in the law.Report
Major gaps in the law happen all the time. Legislators can’t think of every particular scenario thats going to come up.Report
That’s how the light gets in.Report
Came here to say this. From reading the opinion, and cited case law it seems that the 11th’s ruling is more than colorable. It looks like § 2000e-2(a)(1) was simply the wrong vehicle for the complaint. (And/or there is a gap in the law.)Report
“Let’s posit for a moment that the judges on these courts aren’t complete and total idiots.”
I for one am not; I’m *concluding* that they are evil.Report
My outrage is much more directed at the school district for (apparently?) not canning the offending supervisor but instead seeking double damages against the man who submitted a complaint.Report
Ok, thanks to Slade’s link above, that supervisor guy is gone.
@Pinky “I’d think that a decent prosecutor could do something with him offering money in exchange for you arranging sex.”
Per that same link Thompson was later arrested in Richardson’s home on solicitation of prostitution charges during a Bay County Sheriff’s Office sting operation.
So that’s exactly what they did. Good call.Report
Upon close examination, is that even true? Presumably he’s not propositioning female employees to get them to convince their husbands to have sex with him. It’s not ONLY gender, but I’m guessing that combining gender with marital status in another context “I only proposition my unmarried female employees, because I don’t want to encourage adultery” wouldn’t fly. Same-sex marriage is currently not legal in Florida, so you can’t be propositioning women to convince their wives to have sex with him.Report
“Presumably he’s not propositioning female employees to get them to convince their husbands to have sex with him. ”
Are you suggesting that women can’t marry women? How Republican of you.Report
The victim in this case probably would get into trouble, but I’d still recommend Dolly Parton’s lines in “9-5” when her boss kept coming onto her. Something about “getting my gun and turning you from a rooster into a hen”. That would most likely have solved the problem. 🙂Report
“The victim in this case probably would get into trouble, but I’d still recommend Dolly Parton’s lines in “9-5? when her boss kept coming onto her. Something about “getting my gun and turning you from a rooster into a hen”. That would most likely have solved the problem. :)”
The problem is that Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ law is enforced a tad bit, uh, unevenly? (wink, wink, if you know what I mean, nudge, nudge)Report
SYG isn’t applicable.Report
And in any case, “enforced unevenly” is a claim you’ll need to back up. Not saying it’s a great law, but whatever you may be implying about its uneven enforcement may not be the case.
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases
EDITED TO ADD: this is all way off-topic to the OP, so I won’t be discussing it further here. I just think that link is useful info to anyone who is interested in SYG.Report
I think he’s talking about Marissa Alexander (where, in the new trial that she has received, the prosecutors are now pursuing even more serious charges with a potentially longer sentence than the one that was vacated)Report
@kolohe – ah, that. Yeah, that’s screwy, but I’m not sure that it has to do with SYG as much as with FL mandatory minimums (as I understand it, the judge threw out her self-defense claim entirely, which would be a problem for her defense, SYG law or no).
But anyway, like I said, this is way off-topic so I’ll drop it.Report
judge threw out her self-defense claim entirely
Yeah. Not like *that’s* enforced, umm, creatively.Report
Just so’s I’m clear:
Even if there was a law violated here, because the lawyer sued under the wrong law, this particular case results in a not-guilty verdict?
In the article @slade-the-leveller linked to above, the plaintiff says he is going to appeal; in an appeal, can the lawyer cite other laws that might have been violated?
(And you should read that article, if it’s accurate, the dude here wasn’t a smooth operator, he was a stalker, and he sounds mentally ill; he became obsessed with her breasts, and let her know on the very same day she was diagnosed with breast cancer — a serendipity I wonder at. Also, just for the record, they weren’t teachers, they were maintenance workers.)Report
Even if there was a law violated here, because the lawyer sued under the wrong law, this particular case results in a not-guilty verdict?
“Not guilty” is not relevant because it was a civil case, not a criminal case, but overall, correct. The judge or jury rules on the law that is claimed to have been violated, it’s the plaintiff attorney’s responsibility to choose the right basis for the case.
In the article@Slade the Levellerlinked to above, the plaintiff says he is going to appeal; in an appeal, can the lawyer cite other laws that might have been violated?
I’m not an expert in civil procedure, but I think generally no. The appellate hearing is not a trial, so new claims are not allowed, and basing a claim in a different law is, as a legal matter, a new claim. Appellate hearings just review the trial court ruling to determine if the law was applied correctly.
Since this was a U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling, that means an appellate court has already ruled that the trial court applied the law correctly. And while that’s far from definitive proof they ruled correctly, generally speaking the Circuit courts get their rulings right far more often than not. Or, that is to say, the vast majority of their rulings are not overturned by the Supremes, and its to the Supremes that this would next have to be appealed.
Fewer than 100 cases are accepted each year, out of around 10,000 appeals (see here). So the odds of the appeal being accepted are slim.Report
IANAL, but I presume it’s possible to sue a second time based on violation of a different law. Double jeopardy would not apply in a civil case.Report
They do have the option of an en banc appeal, which is still difficult, but more likely to get heard than a petition for cert from the Supreme Court.
It’s worth mentioning that two of the three judges on the panel that upheld the lower court’s decision on summary judgment (though not on the attorney fee issue at least) were themselves district court judges hearing appeals because of vacancies on the 11th Circuit that need to be filled thanks to decades of Congress using appellate level judicial appointments as a political football.Report
D’oh! I forgot about en banc appeals! How embarassing.
Thanks, Mark.Report