…Because Getting Off Is Fun
The esteemed Kyle Cupp was written a beautifully thoughtful essay in which he puzzles over the Catholic Church’s insistence that certain kinds of sex are necessarily injurious.
First he writes:
I’ve asked Catholics who write knowledgeably about human sexuality to explain to me the specific, concrete ways in which contraceptive and same-sex acts injure solidarity and otherwise wound the person, but I’ve yet to get a specific, concrete wound and causal relationship from it to the sinful sex act. The theory is repeated to me as if it were self-evidently true. Or I’m told that negative consequence are not always apparent or may take time to develop.
And then he writes:
The Church is losing ground on these issues to the wider culture, in part because the theory doesn’t hold water for a lot of people. It doesn’t correspond to their real lived experience.
This is all true and all the more poignant coming from somebody who is still a Catholic (Kyle’s still a practicing Catholic, right?). But with all due respect, there’s another good reason that the Catholic Church’s moral teachings aren’t going anywhere: getting off is fun. Like, really, really fun. And not just really, really fun, but also much, much more fun that sitting there aroused and not doing anything about it.
This is a marketing problem. On the one hand, you’ve got a 2000 year old text and some of that text’s most bureaucratic adherents and on the other you’ve got…well, you know the other things that a hand can do. Or, as the esteemed scholar Lebowski once wondered, “How are you gonna keep them down on the farm once they’ve seen Karl Hungus?”
I do understand why Cupp was writing what he did. His subtle argument – that the Catholic Church’s refusal to deliver hard evidence of its claims was undermining its position – is precisely the sort of thing that fosters an environment in which a thorough explanation of an issue can occur. He’s asking a tough question of conservative Catholics who (allegedly) toe the organization line, not of us generally. Still, I read it feeling the overwhelming urge to scream out the simplest possible explanation. Not because the ensuing conversation wouldn’t be interesting, but because it seems unproductive to me to discount the possibility that getting off is more popular than not getting off.
Which brings me to this article about the global decline in female fertility. In it, Martin Lewis boggles at the fact that we are not paying more attention to the fact that women almost everywhere are having fewer babies, a trend that the author shows started at the same time some population experts we beginning to seriously freak out about population growth. I won’t quibble with any of that because I doubt I’d describe population growth as even a passing interest of mine; it is just a thing that is happening all around me. What I will quibble with, at least briefly, is one of the author’s apparent conclusions: that broadcast television is driving the fertility rate lower.
He writes:
If it is true that soap operas have played a critical role in Brazil’s spectacular fertility decline — its TFR dropped from 6.25 in 1960 to 1.81 in 2011 — the policy implications are momentous. But it will take a fundamental change in the way we talk about technology, population, and environment for this point to come across.
I’ve read through this article three times now. I’ve searched it repeatedly. I’ve tried in vain to any reference – any reference at all – to something else that might have started becoming more widely available during the 1960’s, something else that might also explain a declining fertility rate…
Hint: it’s the huge increase in the popularity and availability of contraception that both does and that does not require a man’s participation. As it turns out, many women (Michelle Duggar excluded) apparently don’t enjoy being constantly pregnant, something that’s true of both women in the United States and women almost everywhere else too. It’s really the damndest thing. Except that it isn’t the damndest thing, because pregnancy – miracle of life though it may be – is also a colossal inconvenience, whether the impact is personal, emotional, professional, or medical. And so I find myself here, as I did at the end of Cupp’s essay, wanting to shout about the more obvious explanation that doesn’t require a Rube Goldbergian series of logical leaps to arrive at.
There are reasons I don’t. In Cupp’s case, he is somebody I (barely) know, and firebombing the comments would serve no real purpose. In the television-as-reason-for-declining-fertility-author’s, I sit here baffled, wondering what it is exactly that I’ve missed. Because it isn’t just Lewis; the Washington Post’s write-up of Lewis’s article essentially says, “Hey, how about this wacky possibility?” also without ever considering the effect that contraceptive use might have.
There has to be more. It just isn’t possible that somebody examining the primary drivers of decreasing fertility would ignore contraception, right? Even a casual search of the places where television is alleged to have had the biggest influences (India and Brazil) reveals things like this, a Wikipedia entry that shows that contraceptive use in India has tripled since 1965 and this, a story about Brazil’s efforts to make contraception (even) more widely available for everyone. I have to assume that contraceptive use was accounted for, but for it go entirely unmentioned? I must be missing something.
And I should acknowledge that the actual answers in both cases might be more complicated than I’m making them out to be. For all I know, if the Catholic Church could produce actual evidence of sex’s injurious nature, people really would change their sexual behaviors, and if the televisions in across the world were turned off, the fertility rate would skyrocket. I just struggle to accept such conclusions (implied or otherwise) when such easier explanations are available.
Actually, we’re seeing increased female fertility. The problem is decreased male fertility.
I’m blaming the mostly untested stuff we throw into our bodies, most particularly the pseudoestrogens.Report
We’re also seeing detectably fewer male births…Report
What? Most countries in the developed world have fertility rates just at or very bellow the replacement level. Israel being the only country with a fertility rate decently above the replacement level in the developed world. Even many other countries in the developing world are bellow replacement level.Report
Appreciate the response, Sam. Not at all fightin’ words. By “getting off,” do you mean sexual satisfaction generally? If so, I’m not sure if your simple explanation quite works. Conservative Catholics enjoy sex as much as anyone. I’m not aware of any study that shows orgasms are less popular among them than among the general population. They’re picky about the conditions in which they (and maybe others) have orgasms, but in the “appropriate” conditions, fun fun fun is a-okay. In other words, I’m not sure the difference between those who buy Catholic thinking on sexual morality and those that don’t is a division between those who like fun and those who don’t.Report
But they do think mastrubation is wrong, yes? So it is wrong to enjoy sexual pleasure unless you have a husband or wife (who is still alive and well enough to have sex). If you can’t get a husband or wife (maybe because you are disabled emotionally or physically) you are wrong to masturbate and should ask for forgiveness for your wickedness. Yes, you masturbaters who can’t find spouses, you are evil. We who have made you feel shame, we are righteous.
This is the really yucky part of religion.Report
I’m under the impression that Catholics once thought it was wrong to enjoy sexual pleasure unless there was an intent to procreate. But that’s just what I assumed; and I know many Catholics no longer practice this because families of 12 or more children are now uncommon.
Perhaps this is not due to an evolution in views on pleasure, however. Perhaps it’s exhaustion
cause by both parents participating in the workforce and sleep deprivation becoming the norm for working women, even when they don’t have a baby waking them up at night.Report
The takeaway: It is good when Catholics don’t listen to Catholicism.Report
One of the really yucky things about religion.Report
I think that we may disagree. While I have no doubt that conservative Catholics who follow the church’s rules on sexual expression do enjoy themselves in the act, they’re presumably limiting the act’s occurrence in accordance with church doctrine, right? That says to me, at a minimum, that the preference is for church doctrine rather than sex itself? Or at least, the preference is for sex had within the confines of the church’s doctrine.
I would describe the difference as those who focus on church doctrine and those who focus on sexual satisfaction. I think many more people (at least these days) prioritize sexual satisfaction over church teaching and think that the explanation is their own preference for one over the other. Having sex, in other words, is more satisfying that satisfying Catholic doctrine.Report
I think many more people (at least these days) prioritize sexual satisfaction over church teaching and think that the explanation is their own preference for one over the other.
I agree that there’s a prioritization here of sexual satisfaction over specifically Catholic teaching, sure, but I would be surprised if most people prioritized sexual satisfaction over any kind or norm or standard. You don’t see too many folks pleasuring themselves or another in public, for example. Would you say, then, that most people are interested more in satisfying mainstream social norms about appropriate places for sex than in satisfying their sexual urges?Report
I think the fact that people don’t masturbate in public is evidence that they know they can get sexual pleasure at home, thereby achieving sexual satisfaction and not violating public norms.
The problem with the Catholic position on sex is that it tells some people that they should never get pleasure from sex and/or masturbation, even in cases where there would be no harm caused by them getting sexual pleasure: gay people, those without spouses, those unable to get spouses for any number of reasons, etc.
That is a deeply immoral position. Shameful. If at all possible, you should avoid being part of an institution that is so shameful.Report
“but in the “appropriate” conditions, fun fun fun is a-okay.”
Then, according to Catholicism, what is wrong with masturbating at home or two men having sex?
And please don’t say, with a straight face, that Catholicism implies that such sex doesn’t lead to love. Homosexual sex obviously does. And though masturbation doesn’t lead to love, neither does eating popcorn, but both are perfectly fun and good, despite not leading to true love. Not leading to love is not bad in and of itself.
Sex itself, according to Aquinas, is unnatural and immoral unless it is done a certain specific way. It is unnatural to masturbate even though it is pleasurable. It is unnatural to have gay sex, even if it is pleasurable. The mere fact that these things are pleasurable and not harmful is not sufficient to label them good, according to Aquinas, and really Catholicism in general. Pleasure itself is not a good. The only thing that is good is that a wee-wee goes into a hoo-hoo as God intended those to go together.Report
I bleeb the official argument is that sex is, ideally, both unitive and procreative.
Sex that is one but not the other is not ideal sex.
“What about women who can’t have babies? What about infertile men?”
The answer comes “yeah, that’s a tragedy, huh?”
“Are you saying that they shouldn’t have sex???”
“Hey, God allows for miracles. Look at example from the Bible! The sex is both unitive and allows for the possibility of (perhaps miraculous!) procreation.”Report
Then, according to Catholicism, what is wrong with masturbating at home or two men having sex?
It does not accord with the procreative and unitive meanings of human sexuality. Traditional Catholic morality on sexuality is teleological. Sex has a purpose and a manner in which that purpose is brought into being. To be moral, sex has to be ordered or directed toward the ends of procreation and unity. This can be achieved, so the thing goes, by having sex in the way in which these ends typically come about, even if the ends are not actually brought about. Infertility and sterility are here consider defects, but not a redirection of the sexual act away from its proper ends. The former present no moral prohibition; the latter does.
Pleasure itself is not a good.
No, it is a good. It’s just not the highest good. Thomism and Catholicism, as you know, are hierarchical ways of thinking. Sin comes from placing a lower good above a higher good.Report
So sex that isn’t unitive or procreative is good, because it is pleasurable, according to Catholicism? Just something else is better?
I kind of thought non-procreative, non-unitive (what a stupidly vague word) was supposed to be immoral according to Catholicism even if it lead to pleasure.Report
What you kind of thought is right. Pleasure is an objective good. So is, say, the welfare of my children. It would be wrong of me to seek pleasure in such a way that I neglect the welfare of my children or actually bring them harm. This doesn’t mean that pleasure isn’t an objective good, only that treating it as a higher good than something that really is a higher good constitutes a moral failure. I chose love of pleasure over love of my children.Report
But if you want satisfaction at the moment you are in public, then you have to make a choice, right then, either to hold off on satisfaction, not getting it the moment you want it, or to violate public norms.Report
Well the point is to avoid harming someone by shocking them.
I don’t value the norm of no sex in public, so much as accord to it, because (just like pooping in public) it would harm someone if I did it.
What is your point here? Conservative Catholics (per my point above) think sex that is pleasurable, consensual, and not at all harmful is immoral. Thus, they don’t value sex that is fun and not harmful and consensual. They value sex that meets, as you say, some outdated teleological concept. Pleasure isn’t bad, but it’s presence (in the absence of any harm) isn’t good. What is good is following God’s plan. If anything, pleasure is a danger, because it could lead you from God’s plan, even if you aren’t hurting anyone. (God’s plan is to make Gay people and singles less happy. What a jerk.)Report
Anything can be a danger. The moral live involves risk. In Catholic thought, pleasure is part of God’s plan, but there are things more important than pleasure, things that I would be wrong to put above pleasure. The welfare of other people, for example.
I suspect your analysis is not all that different. You wouldn’t seek pleasure no matter what the cost, right? You value pleasure, but you value other things more, meaning you wouldn’t sacrifice them for the sake of pleasure. Rather, you’d sacrifice pleasure for their sake. Am I wrong?Report
“Well the point is to avoid harming someone by shocking them.
I don’t value the norm of no sex in public, so much as accord to it, because (just like pooping in public) it would harm someone if I did it.”
This is a strange argument to make. If seeing people have sex causes outrage and, thus, harm, than why isn’t knowing about gay sex, something many folks find outrageous, damaging enough for those people to seek to ban it?Report
Are generally held societal standards the same as religion specific standards? Perhaps. But most people only have one of those two attributes; conservative Catholics (presumably) have adopted both. That seems to be a difference worth noting.
Again, I’m not objecting to the conservative Catholics that do this but I am saying that prolonged sexual restraint is not as enticing (generally) as sexual expression.Report
I think the point that I’d make about prioritization is simply that Catholicism introduces an additional layer of prioritization. Now it’s not just about not having sex in public, but also about not having sex at home unless the point is to make a baby. I think that’s the prioritization that people are rejecting, because it is very easy (and fun) to have sex at home without making a baby and without any of the calamities that the Catholic Church warns about coming true. I think that you yourself were making the same point when you observed that the Church can’t seem to prove its own claims.Report
Are you capable of pondering an issue without caricaturing your opposition?Report
Which opposition are we talking about?Report
The ones with really big heads and exaggerated features.
Also, “getting off”, BDSM, Personal sexy muscles nude men, and bukkake, all in the last day or two? It’s getting saucy around here. I like it.Report
Culture, culture, culture.
The birth control pill was the technology, sure, but it was the soap operas that changed the culture.Report
More than that: You didn’t NEED six kids in the hopes one or two would make it to adulthood.
And people, in general, moved off the family farm. Which meant you didn’t need as many unpaid bodies to keep things running, to make do.
The Pill helped, but what really triggered the change was antiobotics, the beginnings of modern healthcare, and industrialization taking off in a big way. We aren’t an agricultural society anymore, and we’re one with low infant mortality rates.
My father’s generation was one of the first really born into that — he had six siblings. None of his brothers and sisters had more than two kids. His parents — both sides — had come from large families, but unlike my dad’s generation — most of his parents siblings hadn’t made it to adulthood.Report
It’s probably overdetermined. Right around the time that we got really good at medical tech, we also started embracing feminism (1st wave had been internalized, 2nd wave was being debated), and, at the same time, we started dealing with mass entertainment where there were a *LOT* of messages being sent that the producers probably didn’t even notice (Russian audiences noticing the shoes everyone was wearing, or the ubiquity of automobiles in American movies, for example).Report
I know as soon as Days of Our Lives is done for the day, or the power goes out, I’m in the mood for some baby making. But when the tv is functional, eh, not so much.Report
If I’ve learned anything from Soap Operas, it’s that the baby stories aren’t as interesting as the pregnancy stories, and the pregnancy stories aren’t as interesting as the achieving pregnancy stories.Report
And isn’t porn really just stories about people trying to achieve pregnancy? I think they are going in the wrong direction with their theory about soap operas. If they want increase population we should all take afternoons off to watch our “stories” and act on our feelings.Report
Um…you’ve seen porn, right? A *lot* of what they’re doing will not, as far as I’m aware, get anyone pregnant.Report
Two sperm are swimming along, one anxious & excited, the other cool & nonchalant.
The anxious sperm says “I wanna fertilize the egg! I’m gonna FERTILIZE the EGG!”
Cool sperm glances over & says “relax, we ain’t even past the tonsils yet”.Report
… Kanon. actively underwritten by the gov’t, trying to achieve more pregnancies.Report
I remember hearing a demographer talk about this. He was on campus carrying a large map to his car, and another professor came over to help him. The helper looked at it and said, “oh, you’re interested in linguistics?”
“No, I study demography.”
“Then why do you have a map of French dialects?”
“I don’t. It’s a map of the demographic transition across France by year.”
Contraception has always been available. The change is in culture.Report
Maybe I’m wrong but whenever I read about the global fertility decline and the impending decreases in population all I can feel is a happy contented inclination to view it as a racial and global civilizational triumph for us as a species.Report
The concern I have is that the change is sufficiently sudden that we’re going to have a problem with the ageing population. Unless we make great strides in delaying senescence in the next few decades, we’re going to end up with a massive dependant population on our hands.Report
Obviously, the only solution is to re-enact Logan’s Run.Report