what the Journolist kerfuffle suggests
This whole Journolist fracas that has been kicking around lately has again dredged up some of my suspicions about how the right really views the institutions they consider to be on the left. Look, I don’t think it’s a big secret that similar listserves exist for right-of-center commentariat types, and indeed, there are also investigative (and thus supposedely neutral) journalists on those as well. I know a person or two on a list or two like that, and while I won’t out anybody about it, it’s not exactly a grand secret, either. So why such consternation from many on the right about Journolist when similar listservs exist for conservatives?
Partly, I think that this is a reflection of the conservative tendency to always see themselves as the minority, or as underdogs. This is in some instances a perfectly natural and human reaction to the genesis of conservatism and to the blanket assumption of unanimity that certain liberals have. Sometimes it’s the result of the self-mythologizing that has come to infect the conservative movement at almost every level, the kind which assures young movement conservatives that they are brave soldiers valiantly striving against an intractable, immoral force…. One way or another, though, I do think that it becomes a bit of a problem. This little imbroglio shows why. I don’t want to wade into the “liberal media” wars here, but suffice it to say that there are many conservatives in the upper echelons of the mainstream media, and they do have considerable power and influence. When many conservatives complain about something like the Journolist showing that conservatives just can’t get a shake, I know they are being sincere and genuinely see inequity there. But I don’t think that they have an accurate reflection of just how many powerful conservatives there are within media.
I think that there’s something else going on here, though. I think that this fracas shows the sense in which many conservatives pillory liberal institutions (or what they perceive as liberal institutions) and yet take them more seriously than the conservative analogs, and hold them to a higher standard.
Why, for example, does the right constantly harp on the supposed bias of the New York Times and yet ignore the overt bias of FOX News– a network that has been credibly accused of literally receiving daily talking points from the Bush Administration? Why the importance of media bias and neutrality when it comes to the NYT but not to FOX, or any other liberal/conservative media pairings? The boilerplate is that in fact FOX News isn’t biased, it just seems that way in relation to the biased mainstream media. More, though, I think the reason conservatives get genuinely nonplussed by what they see as favoritism by the NYT towards Obama comes from the fact that, for all their complaints, many conservatives know that the New York Times is a fantastic paper, and they take it seriously as an institution, in a way that they simply don’t take FOX News seriously, as much as they might like to. PBS is a very loaded example– a lot of conservatives don’t think there should be public broadcasting, and the fact that public money is being spent on what they see as biased programming increases the frustration. But my suspicion, and it’s only that, is also that conservatives quietly know that PBS puts out some high quality programming, and they look to PBS for balance because they know the institution has the quality and intellectual rigor necessary to deliver it.
You see this in education as well, by the way. As Michael Berube ably pointed out in What’s So Liberal About the Liberal Arts, conservatives have railed for years about the horrible decadent Marxism of elite universities, created alternative institutions like Liberty University (et al.) to combat the indoctrination and bias of our educational system– and yet still send their kids to the Harvards and Yales, even the Wesleyans and Oberlins and Bards. Conservative power brokers hate our top schools but still want their kids to go to school there, and if they are looking for legitimacy for their top scholars or ideas they look for that legitamcy to be conferred by the lefty academy. And it is worth asking why the quieter and implicit biases at these colleges are a problem while the far more obvious biases at schools like Liberty University go unchallenged by the conservative media. Is it really just that they see no bias at hand at your average conservative university? (I am quite confident that it’s harder to be a liberal student at Partrick Henry University than it is to be a conservative at Sarah Lawrence.) Or is it they they just don’t hold conservative universities to the same standards that they do universities they perceive as liberal?
The great unanswered question is what the relationship is between the perceived bias of these media and academic institutions, and the greatness that makes them worth complaining about in the first place. Is the New York Times a great paper that happens to be too liberal, so those interested in unbiased journalism or conservative politics should push it towards the center? Or is there some causal relationship, in one direction or the other, between the quality of the paper and its seeming leftward bent? And is it even fair to call the NYT a liberal paper at all, given i’s seeming bent in favor of globalism and its habit of supporting unilateral wars of aggression? Is Harvard a great university that somehow drifted leftward, to its detriment? Or is its standing as a great university in some way a product of its liberalism, or vice versa? All of these questions, I think, are difficult to sort through, but have interesting implications for how exactly we perceive institutional bias.
So with this whole Journolist issue, I find that part of what makes the discussion difficult is the unspoken fact that many conservatives simply are holding these liberal journalists and pundits to a higher standard. I don’t know for sure, I could be wrong. But I find a fury in much of the commentary about this issue that seems out of place with the realities of similar closed-door conversations among conservatives. I can’t help but wonder if what goes unsaid by those complaining is “you’re supposed to be better than this….”
Partly, I think that this is a reflection of the conservative tendency to always see themselves as the minority, or as underdogs.
This is a charitable way of putting it. More accurate would be that they enjoy victimhood, as amply documented in Kevin Baker’s seminal Harper’s piece… “Stabbed in the Back!”…
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/06/0081080Report
First of all, conservatives need to stop fighting public radio and public television. These sorts of institutions are necessary and vital parts of our commonwealth. I foresee a public newspaper service in our future as well, and I’m sure it will be top notch. The “liberal” bent of these institutions should be countered by quality, thoughtful, and reasonable conservatives staking out careers in journalism and attempting to get jobs in these institutions. Of course, since there are standards of reasonableness and professionalism at NPR etc. they will have to step away from the Fox style of, er, “journalism” in favor of the real deal.
Essentially, conservatives should take Tucker Carlson’s advice and build up good journalism institutions that do exactly what the NYT’s does: report, accurately, on the news. Too many conservatives want everything to be about the “message” rather than the facts. Build a great paper and then worry about the op/ed section. Oh, and leave the op/ed section in the op/ed section – don’t let it overflow into the reporting.
Faux outrage only goes so far and I think people will tire of the incessant whining of the conservative movement against these gargantuan “liberal institutions” like the NYT’s.Report
“So why such consternation from many on the right about Journolist when similar listservs exist for conservatives?”
Please! It is a part of their larger media strategy–just like the attacks on Limbaugh are a part of our larger media strategy.
Establishing J-list as a secret cabal of lefty journalists is a larger part of how they discredit any journalist who speaks ill of the Right.
They have worked tirelessly to erect the liberal media myth and the left has been methodically chipping away at it–with Bush’s inept help. They know that the myth is–for the first time in its history–threatened and they are trying to reinforce it. They also know the truth doesn’t benefit them here, so why expect them to be saps and stick to the truth all of the sudden?
They will succeed in reinforcing it with this canard as far as I can tell since the left is going to assume the public knows of and will think of the repugnicon version. Olberman’s response was too clever by half and everyone else I’ve seen talking about it seem to be wringing their hands over it.Report
Antiques Road Show! Talk about intellectual rigor!Report
Freddie’s commentary unfortunately repeats a “conservative” canard that only non-profit public TV (and radio) stations receive government subsidies, when in fact the annual direct and indirect federal, state and in some cases local-government subsidies that commercial TV and radio stations receive are far greater. Moreover, the U.S. ranks last among major Western nations in annual per-capita support for public broadcasting. He also perpetuates the simplistic notion that our multi-faceted print, broadcast and Internet media can be neatly divided into “liberal” and “conservative” camps. Our complex society doesn’t work that way and there’s no such thing as an unbiased media producer or consumer. We all have our biases. Media producers who best serve the public interest are those who appreciate and reflect the ideological, cultural, racial and socio-economic diversity of our society and provide the most accurate and timely information. As a person who’s been involved in media and public affairs for over fifty years, it’s my judgment that non-profit public media do a better overall job of serving the public interest than commercial private media. A tragic example of that is the comprehensive, well-designed 2003 University of Maryland study which shows that among major U.S. print and broadcast media, people who primarily relied on Fox News were most likely to believe and support Bush’s bogus reasons for invading Iraq, while those who primarily relied on public TV and radio were least likely to believe his reasons and support the invasion. Six years, tens of thousands of Iraqi and American casualities, millions of Iraqi refugees, and hundreds of billions of U.S. dollars later, we clearly know who did a better job of serving the public interest on that fateful issue–and that includes the supposedly “liberal” New York Times whose reporters collaborated with corrupt Iraqi exiles in publishing bogus stories that Saddam still possessed “weapons of mass destruction.”Report
You and your damn conservative propaganda, Freddie.Report
Pfft.
It is so much simpler than that.
Conservatives resent the branding that they are not as smart. That is what the whole IQ-baiting, anti-intellectual, anti-elite, anti-academia schitck is about. That is why the attempt to force IDT into highschools.
Here’s the meme….we are just as smart as you snobby elitists…we are smart in a different way, the way that really counts…godsmart!
We have both commonsense and godsense!
But conservatives are not as as, on the aggregate.
Like 99% of the top scientists are agnostic or atheists.
Being very smart automatically makes one an elite.Report
Conservatives are as smart, not as as.
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Jeez……conservatives are NOT AS SMART on the aggregate.
I’m going to bed.Report
I’ve got an acquaintance who believes that, for news organizations, striving towards objectivity is a sure path to self-deception. He would like to see everyone move towards a more explicitly partisan press. From his perspective, the problem is less that newspapers have biases and more that they claim objectivity. From his perspective, it’s a virtue that FOX News is aware of (and constantly winks at) its biases. It’s an interesting way to resolve the objectivity problem, although I’m not so ready to say that objectivity isn’t a worthy goal. (Perhaps accurate representation of the other arguments is a more realistic goal than speaking from a neutral point between them?)
So from this perspective, what conservatives are saying is not “you’re supposed to be better than this,” but “you claim to be better than this, but you’re not.”
I have friends who went to Liberty, and one who went to Patrick Henry. I also knew some folks from College of the Atlantic, which might be thought of as on the “other side.” I get the impression that, at schools as small as Patrick Henry and CoA, what’s hardest to dissent from is what’s most important to the school. Thus, at Patrick Henry, you could probably get away with being to the left of the school on the less religiously-charged political issues—but dissenting on theology could be a nightmare. Likewise, if you think environmentalism is bunk, why would you even go to CoA? The bigger the school, I’d imagine, the less of a problem this would turn out to be.
For the record, I think Journolist is getting so much attention because we’re bloggers and we love to talk about ourselves.Report
My “problem” with JournoList, if you want to call it that, has little if anything to do with the rights of folks to talk together off the record.
My “problem”, if you want to call it that, has to do with the response to it having been “discovered”. The responses to the fact that tons of people are talking about it strike me as odd.
I’ll make a comparison, I guess. On Reason’s Hit and Run blog, there was a commenter who, regularly enough for it to be noticable, talked about High Fructose Corn Syrup. HFCS. He eventually got mocked regularly, in threads in which he commented (but did not bring up HFCS), for being the HFCS guy. I thought that these jokes were quite funny.
Then I started seeing HFCS defense commercials on the television. Lovers in the park discussing the HFCS content of popcicles and how it was no big deal.
The defenses of JournoList remind me of those pro-HFCS commercials.Report