Twitter Moves From Moderation to Free Speech And Back Again

David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Greg In Ak says:

    The louder someone yammers about the 1st AM and especially if they are in the market for the power the more you know it’s bs. Musk was always full of it especially about his love of the 1st. He wants attention and is going in a trumpy style to get it.Report

  2. Dark Matter says:

    Some of these bans, and unbans, seem like mistakes.
    The guy with the real time location seems pretty deep into stalking or encouraging/enabling stalking.
    Trump is no longer President.

    Big picture I can’t tell what the big picture is here.
    There’s enough confusion on what Musk is doing that I’ll wait a few months before making a judgement.Report

  3. DensityDuck says:

    I’m amused by the number of people who’ve suddenly become very excited about the notion of Free Speech, who are suddenly really invested in the argument that the operators of a public-facing discussion forum can’t just pick and choose who they allow to participate.

    I mean, it’s a private company, surely they can decide for themselves who is allowed to use their service, right? You’re going to argue something different today?Report

    • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck says:

      The line “It does, however, make Musk a hypocrite” had me nod.

      Man, it was really refreshing to see the hypocrisy of Musk revealed by this series of events, wasn’t it? Man! We sure learned a lot about Musk.Report

      • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird says:

        It turns out that all those times he said “anyone anywhere should be able to say anything they want in any way they want about anything at all”, what he meant was that he didn’t mean it. (aide whispers in ear) Wait, he never said that? Well, he must have said something like that.Report

      • Marchmaine in reply to Jaybird says:

        Musk revelatory theater. Same way King Lear is all about King Lear.

        Speaking of Kings… this is a somewhat interesting Socio-Historic thing for me. Way back in grad school there were two factions on practical kingship theory.

        1) Kings were the apex of the Noble Hierarchy… Noble-in-Chief. They were fundamentally aligned for the good of the Nobility and had no regard for the commoners.

        This is the dominant notion we were taught… it pervades our political mythology and the stories we write. The dominant figures we point to are George III and Louis XIV.

        2) The King was the fulcrum of the Nation who had to balance the power of the Nobility by allying with the Common men via historic rights and customs that put duties and obligations on the Nobility and who’s ultimate guarantor was the King. Popular Kings reflected the health of the nation and prevented the worst excesses of the Nobility.

        While not the dominant motif of American history or story telling… we get glimpses via Robinhood’s King Richard the good (son of Henry II, who codified the law) vs. King John. The cautionary tale is that King John ultimately *loses* to the Nobility and cedes considerable power to them in the Magna Carta (the actual Magna Carta not the mythological one). King Richard is the justice that might have been had King John not squandered the inheritance of Henry II and Richard. King Louis IX of France (St. Louis) is another example who sometimes influences art and tales of Kingship on this side of the ledger.

        One way to read the Twitter imbroglio is the New King appeals to the commoners to make a cause against the Nobility; in the end we’re still living under a regime ruled by a King… it’s just a question of to whom or what is the king beholden? We build myths about the Nobility sometimes being good, and sometimes being bad. Often depends on whether we’re part of the Nobility or not. But whence the power of The King derives? That is an interesting historical variable.

        (The correct answer is, of course, both as Aristotle explains… but back in my day it was forbidden to cite #2).Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to Marchmaine says:

          New King appeals to the commoners to make a cause against the Nobility

          In which the “Nobility” consists of other citizens I don’t like.

          This is why I have come to despise “Populism” because, even in its most idealized form, is fundamentally illiberal and anti-democratic.Report

        • J_A in reply to Marchmaine says:

          1) Kings were the apex of the Noble Hierarchy… Noble-in-Chief. They were fundamentally aligned for the good of the Nobility and had no regard for the commoners.

          This is the dominant notion we were taught… it pervades our political mythology and the stories we write. The dominant figures we point to are George III and Louis XIV.

          Because I am a history buff, specially about Modern Era (*) European history, I cannot let this pass. It is, indeed, mythology. Particularly about Louis XIV and the French Bourbons in general.

          The major conflict of the XVII/XVIII centuries was the efforts of Kings to break up the power the nobility had over economy, justice, commerce, industry and military matters, centralize their countries under uniform rules, and expand the economy that was being strangled by feudal rights. Absolutism was, essentially, the theory that the King was the only source of power, and that the nobility had to make way to a single, King-based, uniform administration. To the lower classes, this was an extraordinarily welcome development.

          After Richelieu and Mazarin paved the way, Louis XIV successfully broke the nobility’s power and in doing so made France the preeminent, richest, most developed, most powerful country of the age. To do so, Monarchs opened to the bourgeoise the positions that had once been prerogative of the blood nobility. Louis XIV was hated by his nobles, and (reasonably) loved by the commercial and industrial bourgeoise, at least until the wars at the end of his reign squandered a lot of the country’s riches. After him, Louis XV (**) followed these same concepts.

          Regretfully, Louis XVI, albeit well intentioned, was too traditional to continue the reformist and modernizing policies of his ancestors. Revolution replaced reform. His younger brother, Louis XVIII, however, after the Napoleonic interlude, continued the transformation of the country. By the mid XIX century, France was a country ruled by the commerce and industry classes.

          In some other places, including Britain, however, the mobility was able to stop the reformist impulses. Nobility won the Glorious Revolution, and controlled Britain through the mid XIX century. Every king and queen since William III/Mary II had less and less power that hi/her predecessor, and Parliament (that is, at the time the House of Lords) had more and more. The young Victoria was the last that had a modicum of say in public affairs, and she lost what limited power she had after widowhood. Edward VII’s diplomatic abilities allowed him a say in foreign affairs. His son George V was already completely devoid of power.

          (*) The Modern Era being the period between roughly 1492/1789
          (**) Louis XV was noted for referring in his private correspondence to “citizens” (citoyens) instead of subjects.Report

    • Philip H in reply to DensityDuck says:

      No we are just going to point out that people who were banned for lying and for inciting violence deserved to be banned, regardless of who owned the place or who is in political power. That such banning made conservatives feel bad is notable for it says something about conservatives.Report

      • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

        Again, you’re assuming that the people who were banned for inciting violence actually incited violence. As for banning people for lying, no, a site can’t claim to promote free speech and ban people for lying, and based on the recent reporting there’s no reason to think that they were being banned for actually lying.Report

        • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

          Free speech has always carried with it both responsibilities and consequences. What Musk and his ilk want is to be able to yell “fire” in the proverbial crowded theater without suffering anything in the way of consequences for the injuries and or death they cause. Ditto those who incited insurrection and those who choose to openly and repeatedly lie about things like Covid. The framers never intended for with outcome.Report

          • Chip Daniels in reply to Philip H says:

            Its worse than that.

            What they want is to have illiberalism and liberalism seen as two equally valid points of view.

            Where things like genocide are debatable ideas, about which a reasonable person may be ambivalent.Report

          • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

            Ditto those who incited insurrection and those who choose to openly and repeatedly lie about things like Covid. The framers never intended for with outcome.

            The framers didn’t have to deal with lies?

            The way it’s supposed to work is stupid points of view get presented and are shown to be stupid. That’s free speech.

            Suppressing stupid ideas requires speech police and also shields stupid people from the consequences of their ideas.

            The insurrectionists will face the legal system and they’re unlikely to be happy about that. Political players will also be punished. Without the insurrection Trump would be electable and his lawyer would still have his license.

            Much more importantly, whatever tools you’re expecting to suppress Trump would have been used by him.Report

          • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

            There are two questions here that are closely tied together, namely: why do you think that the people who have been accused of these things are guilty of them, and what do you think the consequences of free speech should be? The conversation is too theoretical without answers to those questions.Report

            • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

              If you yell fire in a crowded theatre your consequences are up to and including criminal charges for murder. If you incite insurrection you should face consequences up to being charged and tried for treason.

              And as for the people engaged in racist and incendiary speech – if and when people die from their words they deserve to be criminally charged.

              But more to the point – free speech in the first amendment only binds government not the private sector. Twitter was right to deny insurrection it’s and racism’s and white supreme it’s a platform.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

                They had that right… although using that right can have easily foreseen side effects for Twitter.

                There’s a very high end electroplating company that electroplates non-profitable (for them) elements for minor clients. They do this because if they didn’t fill that market nitch someone else would. These clients have a business need for doing these things.

                A minor player would emerge and become skilled. They’d have to be low cost to survive. Technology to do that is the same tech which is used to electroplate computer chips (the big company’s bread and butter).

                If Twitter wants everyone to use their platform and doesn’t want low cost rivals out there, then they have to let pretty near everyone use their platform.

                That’s over and above the side effects that picking fights with high level politicians can have.Report

              • DensityDuck in reply to Philip H says:

                “If you yell fire in a crowded theatre your consequences are up to and including criminal charges for murder. ”

                …you, uh, you do know how thoroughly that’s been debunked as legal reasoning, right, like, this is on the order of “the sun goes around the earth” in terms of how long ago and how conclusively it’s been shown invalid

                like

                you wouldn’t just say something incredibly stupid like that without knowing it, right, like, this is a bit that you’re doing, right?Report

              • CJColucci in reply to DensityDuck says:

                DD, you have it dead wrong. Go back and do your homework.Report

              • InMD in reply to CJColucci says:

                I don’t think he’s totally off. Schenck may have never been expressly overturned but I think it’s fair to say it’s been narrowed to the point that the same facts would go the other way under current jurisprudence.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to InMD says:

                Indeed it would. Brandenburg pretty much sealed the deal. But it’s still the case that falsely shouting “fire” in a crowded theater and causing a panic, which is what Holmes said and what Philip H was alluding to, is and always has been punishable, even criminally.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

                I still can’t sort out your position. Could you separate the governmental and social sides of “responsibilities and consequences” in your articulation?Report

          • DensityDuck in reply to Philip H says:

            “Ditto those who incited insurrection and those who choose to openly and repeatedly lie about things like Covid. The framers never intended for with outcome.”

            bruh

            the framers were insurrectionistsReport

          • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

            The framers had to argue over the pros and cons of slavery.Report

        • CJColucci in reply to Pinky says:

          As for banning people for lying, no, a site can’t claim to promote free speech and ban people for lying

          Says who?Report

  4. Chip Daniels says:

    “Free speech” is a platitude like “Patriotism”.
    And like patriotism, it becomes the last refuge of scoundrels, and the tool of autocrats.

    In any discussion about speech, the most important question isn’t whether it should “be free” but what sorts of speech should rightfully be suppressed or punished and which should not.Report

  5. Pinky says:

    Musk seems like the type who goes by instinct rather than ideology. That kind of person gets corrupted by power faster, but not as deeply. I don’t think it hit him more than Sam Gamgee: “He went up and down the Shire in this labour; but if he paid special attention to Hobbiton and Bywater no one blamed him.” I suspect he noticed that in himself and is pulling back from it.Report

  6. Saul Degraw says:

    Billionaires are thin-skinned types who need constant validation and adoration should surprise no one.Report