The Second Civil War
The potential overturning of Roe v. Wade last week sent shockwaves through the political system. Protestors gathered and clashed at the Supreme Court. Democrats and Republicans tried as quickly as they could to respond to the ruling, with either sleight-of-hand or federal legislation. The pundit class started an interminable discussion about what the Court could do next and what further long-cherished precedents it could overturn.
Social media and pundits did not stop at simply analyzing the circumstances of the decision and its terrible impact on millions of American women. They also decided to game out all of the possible implications of the decision, primarily the possibility that tensions over abortion rights might inflame current political polarization. The go-to comparison is another civil war, a repeat of the conflict that tore that country apart from 1861 to 1865. Former labor secretary Robert Reich used the term “second civil war” to describe the parties after the Roe reversal. He did not predict an immediate shooting conflict, but rather noted that the country was going through a “kind of benign separation analogous to unhappily married people who don’t want to go through the trauma of a formal divorce.” Twitter users were much less reserved than Reich, with manyeither predicting an imminent war over the decision or openly calling for one.
It would be one thing if this rush to civil war comparisons was restricted to this particular debate. But in fact, the comparison emerges during nearly every heated moment in American politics. Publications such as Time, The Guardian, and the New Republic have devoted numerous articles to debating the possibility of the United States devolving into civil war over the past year, often from a liberal perspective. The idea has seeped into general discussions, political campaigns, and even prominent literary works. It is an omnipresent part of political discussion, as inevitable in social media discourse as Hitler comparisons and the debate over civility in protests.
The rush to proclaim another civil war is a symptom of ahistorical thinking common in the social media age. Several factors combine to push this sort of crude analogy. Historical knowledge is limited in the general public, meaning that many readers are not familiar with more obscure allusions from American history. American historians either are not on social media or are siloed into their own subfields that are not readily applicable to most substantial news stories. Furthermore, social media amplifies the voices that can garner the most shares, likes, clicks, and retweets. Sober, level-headed analysis is often subsumed under the most outrageous, vivid, provocative posts. The idea that the debate of the day can result in an outright war, one that could kill half a million people and reshape the entire social fabric in four years, is about as outrageous as a post can get. It is, therefore, a quick source of popularity.
It is understandable that Americans may view today’s debates as the precursor of another civil war. Americans are as politically polarized as they have been in decades. Social media and our current news ecosystem have created an atmosphere where every day seems to be the worst that has ever existed. The past six years have been host to a pandemic, massive protests over racial justice, and a political leader who has reshaped the country to suit his simplistic, rage-filled worldview. Furthermore, it seems as though this debate has a territorial component to it. There are now “red states” and “blue states,” states that rejected Trump and plan to protect abortion rights and those that pursued the opposite course of action.
But comparing our current situation with the leadup to the Civil War shows a lack of historical thinking. It betrays our profound internal differences and the numerous splits that Americans have overcome over the past two centuries. The nation has always been divided, even during the tenure of its very first president, George Washington. Political leaders have been predicting civil war and the end of the republic ever since the 1790s. The idea that a current political division could split the country applied during debates over Jefferson’s presidency, the War of 1812, and the immediate context of nullification. In 1801, as a response to a law repealing a number of judgeships, Federalist leader Gouverneur Morris predicted the end of the country if the bill passed:
I stand in the presence of Almighty God and of the world, and I declare to you that if you lose this charter, never, no, never will you get another! We are now, perhaps, arrived at the parting point. Here, even here, we stand on the brink of fate. Pause! Pause! For Heaven’s sake, pause!
Following the one contest that did lead to war, a host of other issues were supposed to lead to its sequel. Reconstruction has been referred to as a “second civil war” by some historians, although the horrific acts of violence during that period were at a much smaller scale than, say, the Battles of Gettysburg or Cold Harbor. The Populist revolt was a potential second civil war, a conflict in which the side out of power even had its own makeshift army, known as Coxey’s Army. Time and again, political leaders have predicted another civil war precisely at the moment when the nation’s problems seemed the most intractable. With the one very specific exception of 1861–1865, those predictions have turned out to be untrue.
Liberals need to stop talking about a “second civil war.” They need to focus on finding the right set of policies and messages that will help them recruit candidates and win elections both in 2022 and 2024. They need to harness the power of grassroots movements and protests, threading the needle between denouncing violence and supporting peaceful gatherings. Finally, liberals need to embrace the lessons of history and avoid the cheap political points and clickbait that lead so many to discuss another war between American citizens. Focusing on unity and success is more productive than spilling so much digital ink over the one time in American history when the country could not solve its problems without war.
“They need to harness the power of grassroots movements and protests, threading the needle between denouncing violence and supporting peaceful gatherings.”
Seems that this part is going to be a hard row to hoe. The last time I saw a “peaceful protest”, parts of downtown Baltimore was in flames. When you objectively lie to people of about riots and arson, I’m going to find it hard to trust you again.Report
Good to know you no longer trust both political parties then. I guess that makes voting tough. Good luck.Report
It actually makes it pretty easy!Report
It just means voting is more work because I have to look at the candidates and not just the party.Report
Given the way American politics works, at least above the local level, this seems almost pointless. Defection is extremely costly for politicians, except in specific circumstances (think Sinema and WV Coal Baron), so you’re effectively voting for the party when you vote for an individual.
I could see hoping specific individuals influence the parties in good ways (I know this is the justification some leftists give for voting for Democrats), but in the end, you’re still voting for the party, and all the baggage that comes with that.Report
When you live in a state that reliably votes Democrat, and incumbent, and has so for decades, does it really matter who you vote for? Only the occasional Democrat that is either so useless, campaign’s terribly, or gets indicted (and sometimes not even then) doesn’t get elected, why bother to vote at all?Report
I have low tolerance for those who rant against our political regime and sit on their hands. I would think you would too.Report
Say what you will about the Boogaloo Boys…Report
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to accept that some things will never change, some things may change, and some things will change. I’ve learned to put my efforts in where I think there is a “tipping point”, and I stopped bitching about politics a long time ago. Now I just troll sites like this and throw in the occasional comment 🙂Report
And today I found out that the Boogaloo Boys are liberals.
News to me but I agree they should stop fantasizing about murdering their neighbors.Report
The Boogaloo Boys are difficult to categorize. In 2020, for example, they marched with the anti-police violence protestors (in fact, one of them was killed while protesting, here). Boy do they love their guns, though.Report
Not for me they aren’t.
They are reactionary and align with white supremacists and militias.Report
They’re not liberals, and they’re not leftists, but they present a problem for a political spectrum represented as a mere line. They’re culturally conservative in certain ways, but not others; they are anti-cop, but as an extension of their hyper-individualism, etc. To me, they look like gun toting, hyper-masculine versions of 1990s libertarians and ancaps, complete with a tendency towards conspiratorial thinking.
Don’t get me wrong, they’ve definitely aligned themselves at times with folks like the Proud Boys, but at others, they’ve aligned themselves with folks like BLM.
I don’t mean this as any way to defend them; only to point out that if you try to shove them into popular two-dimensional American political classification scheme, you’re going to end up with people calling them liberal and people calling them far right and both being both right and wrong at the same time.Report
Also, unlike Proud Boys, e.g., and more like BLM, individuals within the group vary a great deal in their politics. The young man who was killed here during a protest was a gun-toting libertarian/ancap who had very strong racial justice politics. Others I’ve run into are openly racist. It’s just hard to pin them down, because they have a looser structure and are less hierarchical, at least nationally, than groups like Proud Boys with whom they’ve sometimes aligned.Report
I’ve never seen any sort of alignment with anti-racist causes. If by “aligning with BLM” you mean they want to burn stuff down and murder police officers, then that’s just a tactical alliance of convenience.
You’re right that the old linear scale no longer works, but it no longer works for anybody really.
What makes the new rightwing different than the old one (of say the Buckley variety) is that it has abandoned the economic libertarianism and is largely agnostic about economics. The Reagan/ Romney type of conservatism has collapsed and is now an exiled rump.
The new rightwing has dropped the focus on economics but is still fueled by the same seething resentment of racism and misogyny.Report
If you haven’t seen any alignment, it’s because you didn’t go to any protests in 2020. Which is cool, protests are not everyone’s thing, especially with as tense as they got, both with cops and far right provocateurs (but I repeat myself, hiyo!), and hey, I don’t even want to assume you agree with their purpose. However, they were there, some of them for days, weeks, or months, often with the express purpose of protecting BLM protestors. As I mentioned, one here died doing just that, when a man showed up and began pointing a gun at protestors from his car:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/01/garrett-foster-indicted-murder-daniel-perry-austin-protester/Report
I’d say that is an anomaly.
Anti-racism rallies and causes rarely have any significant Boogaloo presence.
During the Floyd protests I wrote a lot about here in downtown LA, the demographics of the rallies was strikingly different than the riots.
In my neighborhood the majority of violence was done by young white men, hooligans without any apparent political orientation.Report
If there were an actual civil war, the Proud Boys would be with the reactionaries without doubt or question. They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.Report
This article is doing the Lord’s work. It’s hard to accept criticism from your opponents, but when you start rejecting your allies’ warnings, you become unreachable.Report
So maybe good patriots shouldn’t rise up and use 2nd Amendment solutions and water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrannical government agents?
Well, shucks.Report
I have no idea what you think we’re talking about. I guess you really can’t even imagine a conversation about a flaw on your side despite being in the middle of one.Report
Of all the current problems, it’s hard for me to believe that abortion would be the issue that sparked a civil war. The issue has zealots on both extremes but the majority of Americans fall somewhere in the middle (i.e. abortion but w/ restrictions).Report
Not in an invasion of Poland way, but maybe in an assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand way.Report
If we want to have a second civil war, we’re probably going to need to solve the obesity crisis first.Report
Elimination of cheap beer, Monday Night Football, and the dollar menu are all threshold events.Report
Liberals need to stop talking about a “second civil war.”
Why just them, in particular?Report
Hear, hear!Report
I’d be interested in hearing from a liberal who is calling for civil war.
Maybe subscribe to their newsletter, even.Report
It comes up from time to time in various forms among the commentariate at Lawyers, Guns & Money. There’s the “if the red states want to go, let them” version. There’s the widespread civil unrest version. There’s the “the red states’ imposition of a theocratic authoritarian government is inevitable” version. (That’s not the liberals calling for a civil war, merely asserting that a successful one will happen. There’s the “it’s time for the blue states to start thinking seriously about leaving” version. Some of them are venting. None of them are actually serious. You can tell they’re not serious because if you suggest concrete steps to achieve a partition, everyone shouts you down.Report
Any civil war is going to be fought in a Balkan style census tract manner rather than in the solid well-defined geographic block style anyway.Report
Murc’s law is an iron lawReport
Because it is easier to get the virtuous to act the way you want than the people who lack virtue.Report
As much as people like to talk/fantasize about this, the evidence of it happening anytime soon is rather slim. I take the number of blase casual think pieces about this happening as evidence that is unlikely to happen. If we really were on the brink of civil war, most of us would not be casually discussing it over the internet.
Anyway, a civil war will not be red state v. blue state, it will be census tract v. census tract and a lot of people will suffer and die. But how we discuss it to build our brands.Report
Interesting. The following comment — run through rot13 — simply disappears when submitted in plain text. Doesn’t get held for moderation. Doesn’t go into the spam folder. Just disappears.
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Apologies to Eric in advance, but I’m going to put up a series of comments under this one, trying to sneak up on what makes it disappear a sentence at a time.Report
The media almost always misuse the term. What they’re talking about is “widespread civil unrest”.Report
The media almost always misuse the term. What they’re talking about is “widespread civil unrest”. A real civil war has one of two goals: partition (eg, the American Civil War) or replacement of the fundamental structure of the government (eg, the English Civil War(s)).Report
The media almost always misuse the term. What they’re talking about is “widespread civil unrest”. A real civil war has one of two goals: partition (eg, the American Civil War) or replacement of the fundamental structure of the government (eg, the English Civil War(s)). Very occasionally the first is one is mentioned, ie, could the US turn into a theocratic authoritarian state?Report
The media almost always misuse the term. What they’re talking about is “widespread civil unrest”. A real civil war has one of two goals: partition (eg, the American Civil War) or replacement of the fundamental structure of the government (eg, the English Civil War(s)). Very occasionally the first is one is mentioned, ie, could the US turn into a theocratic authoritarian state? The latter almost never, even though such have relatively common globally over the last 80 years.Report
The media almost always misuse the term. What they’re talking about is “widespread civil unrest”. A real civil war has one of two goals: partition (eg, the American Civil War) or replacement of the fundamental structure of the government (eg, the English Civil War(s)). Very occasionally the first is one is mentioned, ie, could the US turn into a theocratic authoritarian state? The latter almost never, even though such have relatively common globally over the last 80 years. Today, very close to 200.Report
Okay, it objects to a simple declaratory sentence about the number of sovereign states in existence in 1940.Report
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In 1940, there were ~100 sovereign states in existence.Report
In 1940, there were ~100 broadly recognized sovereign states.Report
To The Powers That Be… There is a string Z.e.d (with dots omitted) in the trash filter. This matches the word recogniz.e.d (with dots omitted) in comments and throws those comments in the trash. (The trash filter strings are case insensitive.) I know this string was probably placed in the trash filter for a reason. You might want to consider if there’s some alternative way to accomplish whatever. Oh, and for what it’s worth for testing purposes, the trash filter doesn’t seem to be applied if you submit a comment while you’re logged in.Report
Check the trash.Report
Ah, there they are.Report
Oh look, here is Republican Governor Abbott furiously accusing President Biden of providing food to babies:
https://mobile.twitter.com/evanasmith/status/1524839662392594453?cxt=HHwWqsCyhYLmqKkqAAAA
Man, those Democrats have terrible messaging!Report
Well and humorously put. Liberal need to remember also that not only do they usually own way fewer guns, but that “the Hamptons is not a defensible position”(a phrase I’ve heard used a few times to try to make the point) in strategic military terms.Report