The Grape Story
I realize we’ve reached mosque overload here, but I have an obscure textual question about a story the Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf tells in a video I linked to recently, which in itself really has nothing to do with the Park 51 debate. Also I wanted to point out some weird snychronicity, to be a good Jungian.
First the story, as I read it yesterday in Gérard de Nerval’s 1851 text Voyage en Orient, which I am puzzling through for my dissertation (a really strange book, but highly recommended.) Nerval talks about his kinship with various philosophical and religious traditions throughout the book and ends with a story, which he attributes to the Turks, about the underlying unity of religious ideas. An Arab, a Persian, a Turk, and a Greek Orthodox traveling companion are eating together and find they have very little money for food. What will they eat? The Turk suggests, “Uzum”, the Arab “Ineb”, the Persian “Inghur”, and the Greek “Stafilion”. The four start to fight about this and are ready to come to blows when a wandering “dervish”, according to Nerval, brings the group a basket of grapes, which is what each one is asking for in his own language.
Like Jason’s recent post (as I understand it), the story is about different faiths addressing the absolute divine reality in different tongues, and arguing about the terms. Researching the topic, I’ve found the story was very popular with 19th century theosophists, and Nerval was quite likely a theosophist. A cursory definition of theosophy is that theosophists believe that all faiths are one, to paraphrase Blake.
Now the Imam Rauf attributes the story to Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi at about the 11:56 point here:
I’ve always found Rumi fascinating, but haven’t read nearly enough of his poetry. Does anyone know if this story really originates in Rumi? It’s certainly in keeping with nineteenth century theosophy, which holds (in its more moderate form) that all spiritual seekers beckoning towards God in specific creedal traditions are seeking the same thing in different tongues. But it’s also not at odds with a specific Sufi tradition that holds that all faiths succeed, to some extent, in pulling back the veils hiding the divine; Islam gets a bit closer, but that’s all. Muslims will note that this isn’t a huge leap from what the Quran says about people of the book.
Okay, so the obscure question: Has anyone read enough Rumi to know if this story originated there and the theosophists borrowed it, or if this Imam is really borrowing it, mistakenly, from the theosophists?
As for the syncrhonicity: I read the story in Nerval and the next day heard it this video, after reading Jason’s similar story here. All of which touch on the myriad faith traditions using different terms to say the same thing.
Yes its amazing how much many religions want to put their god into their own nice little box, and restrict what the god can do. Then we have people who believe religious disputes are best handled by killing each other and refering the dispute to God (ala Mark Twain). My contention is that the problem is power hungry clerics in every religion, that once a group of clerics get control they want to get their edifices built and to do this they need an other to attack. This follows the thesis in the closing of the western mind, which to my point of view says that Constantine was the worst thing to ever happen to Christianity. He decided that clergy needed a tax exemption, but then had to decide who was legitimate clergy and who was not, thus the Nicene council, and the war on Arianism. (Of course had the imperial succession gone the other way a couple of times Arianism would have triumphed)Report
@Lyle, I wouldn’t go quite as far on Constantine, but his story has always seemed fishy to me. That struggle does seem to highlight something parallel to Sufism- namely, the tension between the official creedal organization and popular mystics, which definitely persists within Christendom and Jusaism as well as Islam.Report
It sounds like a story from an Idries Shah book to me.
Not familiar with this particular one, and I can’t vouch for its authorship.
But that’s where I would start to look.Report
@Will H., Good idea! I didn’t think of Idries Shah.Report
@Rufus, “The Travellers and the Grapes” from The Sufis.
Apparently there were other versions of this story both before and after Rumi.Report
@Will H., Thanks- that makes perfect sense, especially since Nerval said he heard it from a traveling storyteller in a cafe in Constantinople. Possibly the theosophical societies just read it in Nerval. I’m not sure if they’d have been able to read it in Rumi yet, although of course Rauf probably did get it from there. Anyway, that makes sense.Report
John Hick’s religious pluralism is similar, arguing that religious language must be viewed as making truth claims not about the absolute, but simply about one’s perception of the absolute. Those varying religions can express varying perceptions of the absolute without one needing a monopoly.
And yet such an idea makes those who adhere to a particular religion usually very uneasy. How does one argue that they are all a part of the same thing without negating the differences to such a point that the religion in particular is diminished. Most people have a different relationship to their native language than their religion. The analogy feels inadequate.Report
@E.C. Gach, Yeah, I can definitely see that. If you’re an adherent to a particular religious tradition, the differences matter a lot more than what word you use for grapes! Particularly, I’d imagine to a believer the stakes are a lot higher if your terms are wrong.Report