the Web has a lot less to teach the print media than you think
Andrew approvingly links to more schadenfreude directed towards the newspapers. And, yes, I call it schadenfreude. I don’t want to be hard on Clay Shirky, who talks about the negative consequences of the end of the print media. I just feel that he maintains the same attitude that I find almost universal in talking about the collapse of the print media: you say it’s tragic or sad, and you say it’s inevitable, but you also use the most condemning and judgmental language possible. It seems like everyone knows the newspaper is dying, everyone knows that it has negative consequences, but everyone wants to laugh and jape most of all. I can’t understand the career journalists who talk with such knowing disdain and casual disregard as their industry goes down in flames. Yes, everyone wants to appear with it and cool and ahead of the curve, but when you say that you value something and yet essentially cheer its demise, that’s pretty lame. Many journalists aren’t just whistling past the graveyard, they’re chortling past it. Perhaps I’m misreading, but I don’t actually see grim humor in the face of great sadness. I see a ton of people not wanting to be seen as one of the ones who didn’t get the memo. The fear of being someone who doesn’t realize his or her industry is dying seems a great deal more meaningful to many journalists than the sadness of the collapse of an at times great and much loved American industry. Better to mock the rubes, it seems, than to mourn the loss.
Here’s a time tested, reliable way to run a business: produce a product or service that people want to buy, and sell it to them. Here’s a business plan that isn’t a business plan: take what you always used to charge for, and give it away for free. Seems pretty simple, right? And yet in the late ’90s and early 2000s, newspapers were absolutely brow-beaten if they didn’t a) go online immediately and b) go online for free. Newspapers that even floated the idea about charging for their content, which they had charged for for decades, were mocked mercilessly. See the reception of TimesSelect. Before it had any opportunity to succeed or fail (and it did fail), people laughed off the very idea of charging for premium content. One of the lies of this whole transition that you sometimes hear has been that newspapers dragged their feet getting online, resisting the change and calling it a fad. Many didn’t, though, and in fact, many of them seemed to leap into the arms of the Web (assured, as they were, that not doing so would doom them to obsolescence) without much of a thought about what exactly that might do to the numbers of people who bought and subscribed to a daily newspaper. It was really quite strident, back then: you had to get your paper on the Web, and you had to offer it for free. Nobody seemed to care that this left out the part about how this exactly helped your business.
Shirky points out, as many have, that the real collapse of the financial model of newspapers came from the widespread availability of free classified ads. Which is true. But like many, he talks as if it matter of factly the case that Craigslist et al. are significantly profitable. That’s not actually certain, as best I can gather, and Craigslist plays it very close to the vest with its profit numbers. I certainly don’t think Craigslist and its competitors are making close to the aggregate amount of profit the nation’s newspapers did with their classified sections in boom times. So I can’t understand lauding the brilliance of Craigslist when they have in essense taken an established business model and rendered its profitability a tiny fraction of what it once was. And this general overestimation of the actual profit making potential of many Web-based businesses, rather than the name recognition, user base or stock price, is widespread. Some of the Internet companies generally regarded as the most successful, be it Livejournal or Facebook or Myspace or Twitter or even mighty Google have profits that don’t even come close to matching the perception of their size and success in the public imagination.
Many, many Web-based businesses that are regarded as successful and enjoy high stock prices rely almost entirely on venture capital–even now, after the dot-com collapse, during this vast financial crisis. I think the idea that the stock market in toto is just a giant Ponzi scheme is overblown. But when it comes to businesses whose profit models require extraordinarily optimistic outlooks, or who have no profit model to speak of at all, and yet continue to float by on a cloud of venture capital… well, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that something fairly stinks there. I mean, an article by Will Leitch in New York magazine says “When you ask Williams and Stone about revenue, they’ll… note that no one asked Google in 1998 how it was going to make money.” In an era where we are realizing the vast destructive power of creating wealth by imagining that it exists, this should give anyone pause. And when I read in so many different fora people contrasting the dinosaurs at the newspapers with the geniuses on the Web– when so many Web companies have no meaningful potential for internally generated profits and must instead rely on yet-more financing, and where even Google doesn’t enjoy the kind of huge profitability so many people casually assume they have– well, it drives me a little crazy. It’s nice to be able to read the paper for free. Paying for something you want, though, has a certain elementary logic to it, and as Shirky points out, the alternative is destruction. What I hope people realize is that this is not an affliction that only effects newspapers.
This, strangely, reminds me of the situation with GM.
Focusing on the wonderful things that GM has done in the past, how many people it employs now, so on and so forth seems to miss the point.
Insufficient numbers wish to purchase the product. Without a sufficient base of demand, the business is unsustainable… whether you’re selling two lines or twenty words for twenty dollars or Hummers.
If it’s unsustainable, it falls in the “this too shall pass” category.
To complain about needs/demand changing strikes me as similar to complaining about the outfits the kids at the mall wear.Report
First of all, a big part of the reason insufficient numbers want to purchase the product is because now they can get it for free! Second of all, it’s not a question of saying “newspapers have to survive”. It’s a question of pushing back against some of those who think that there was some other path for the newspapers to take, or that Web companies have a lot to teach about profitability.Report
Slow day?
Also, you might want to look up the difference between “effect” and “affect.”Report
Slow day?
I’m trying to imagine a day in my life so slow that I spend my time correcting word usage on a blog’s comments.Report
“First of all, a big part of the reason insufficient numbers want to purchase the product is because now they can get it for free!”
Interestingly, this sentence would have fit (and perfectly!) within my comment.
“It’s a question of pushing back against some of those who think that there was some other path for the newspapers to take,”
I’ll go back to the whole “sustainability” thing. It doesn’t strike me that newspapers had a sustainable model… having half the journalism paid for by the selling of two lines for twenty bucks in a completely different part of the paper and the other half paid for by advertisers who care solely about subscription numbers.
“or that Web companies have a lot to teach about profitability.”
Anyone who sees Google (or Amazon) as an example to be followed without seeing the 99.9% of failures strewn about probably deserves what he or she gets a few months after taking out that small business loan.Report
“So I can’t understand lauding the brilliance of Craigslist when they have in essense taken an established business model and rendered its profitability a tiny fraction of what it once was”
I think you miss the point here – the brilliance of Craig’s list is in taking the profit potential inherent to any change in circumstance and making it their own, at the expense of the traditional media and, yes, at reduced rates.
I can generally agree with the content of this post, but I think you may underestimate both the profit potential of web-based media and the truly miserable degree to which the old media business model was flawed. As Jaybird astutely notes, the newspapers were marketing themselves as source of news and information – and making money off of completely unrelated segments of business. This inherent disconnect between their service and their profit driver didn’t matter pre-internet; but with the rise of the net, there was no longer any need for classifieds and advertisers to tie themselves to a loosely related delivery system. And away they went.Report
When a product is produced at a cheaper price and sold at a cheaper price don’t we normally call that an increase in Productivity?Report
In Shirky’s defense, the main thrust of his post seems to be that the decline of old media platforms is inevitable given the rapid pace of technological change. I know he comes off like an Internet triumphalist in other forums, but I read this post as pretty dispassionate analysis of the quandaries facing professional journalism.Report
newspapers have never actually made money off the print copies themselves. The $2 dollars or whatever or so they charge is nowhere near the costs of the ink, the paper, the machinery, etc. The real money comes from selling ads; it’s just that when people can put classifieds for free on the internet that’s a lot fucking harder to do.
I’m not sure what your beef is with the forecasts about the death of print newspapers when, of course, those forecasts were totally right. It’s true that there was no other path for newspapers to take. That was the whole point, that it was a dying industry made obsolete by technological change. But we don’t care about newspapers (or at least we shouldn’t). We care about reporting. While the newspaper executives were running around like cockroaches with their heads cut off, the journalists should have been trying to figure out to save investigative reporting in a world where exposes of a secret CIA torture program are no longer subsidized by T magazine and Sunday Styles. That’s a conversation that’s only just starting now, years late.
yes, there’s schadenfreude. There are people dancing on the graves of the newspapers. I am personally one of them. It’s sad that good, wonderful and important reporters are losing their jobs. But the reality is that there were never that many of them. For the last few decades the vast majority of newspapers have been a colossal failure. They chased easy profits instead of doing the hard reporting of challenging power or investigating the deep social corruption which (it should be clear to all now) has brought this country to the brink of economic, political, and moral collapse. This is especially true for the the crappy local papers that have folded so far. When the New York Times goes bankrupt (as it well may) that’ll be a whole different story. But the Seattle Post-Intelligencer? A hollow corporate product stuffed full of stories stolen from the wire services, useless sports coverage, and douchebag right-wing columnists? Good fucking riddance. The death of the corporate MSM media may be the best thing that ever happened to real journalism.Report
But that’s just it, raft– no one is going to replace quality reporting. News blogs don’t actually report on anything near the scale of newspapers. Nowhere close. And they aren’t going to start. That’s a big part of my anger: people act as though the web is just going to jump up and provide this quality reporting. Not going to happen. That’s the tragedy, and that’s what drives me crazy, people celebrating the death of extensive reportage.Report
wow, fast response.
you should do another post on the way forward for journalism, i’d love to hear your thoughts. I don’t think the situation is as pessimistic as you make it out to be. On the national level there are basically only 5 or so U.S. papers that do serious investigative journalism and all of them are hugely famous brands that will be able to survive the coming newspaper purge. Steve Coll’s thoughts on nonprofit newspapers are well worth reading. Even now there are enough rich people out there to fund multibillion dollar endowments for the WashPost and New York Times. And this may be a pipe dream, but I always thought that universities could get into the reporting business; they already subsidize student newspapers and many of them have journalism schools. Why can’t they run some papers, too? The “size” of most newspapers is, I think, somewhat illusory. Even a staff of just 5 full time reporters can do very serious and impressive work. Remember that the raw mechanics of reporting are actually far easier than they used to be, before there was the internet, blogs, email, wikipedia, etc.
Local beat reporting (a la The Baltimore Sun in Season 5 of The Wire) is a tough one and I admit it is in deep shit. David Simon has a great article about that here. I’m not sure what will replace papers like the Sun except that it’s absurd and ridiculous that in a 21st century information age–when reporting is easier and less expensive than ever, and the audience for that reporting is bigger and more informed than ever–we won’t be able to figure out some means or another to save the industry. I guess I’m an optimist.Report
It’s becoming increasingly hard for anyone to sell information. Be it a music file or the latest weather reports, the growth of IT has meant that my generation expects these things for free. What chance did newspapers ever stand?Report
“That’s a big part of my anger: people act as though the web is just going to jump up and provide this quality reporting. Not going to happen.”
This is exactly right, which is why I’m curious about being called out so directly earlier in your response. My essay wasn’t just written for newspaper people, its written for internet people as well. I’m as tired as you of hearing the happy talk around instant replacements for what will be lost, and I used the print revolution to point out that during real media revolutions, old things break faster than new things get fixed.
Since we agree, and since I specifically refused to propose that the Web will instantly replace quality reporting on paper, I don’t actually think your anger is around this point (at least not as directed at me.)
Instead, it seems as if you want me to somehow rail against the Gods that this fate has befallen these noble men and women etc etc. But here’s the thing: I’ve been writing quite matter-of-factly about the inevitable destruction of the classified market by the internet since the mid-1990s, so if I don’t seem sufficiently riled up, its because I think the change is not merely fundamental, its absolutely unsurprising. It would be like shaking my fist at the sun for setting to have been anything other than analytic about this change, even a dozen years ago, much less now.
That’s probably the same attitude that infuriates you, but if you believed what I believe, you wouldn’t be jumping up and down either. The newspapers were an interesting historical accident, now ending. Spending a lot of energy lamenting that fact risks using up the very energy we’re going to need to put into a whole lot of new experiments, simply we don’t have any idea what good new models for journalism are, and we won’t know for a decade or so which of those experiments will be of any use at all. Between nostalgia and innovation, I think innovation is the bigger imperative right now.Report
Easy solution, fred: we’ll teach journalism in kindergarten. That’s not a dig at journalists. It’s a nod to the importance of the problem.Report
One interesting phenomenon is that the blogosphere IS starting to replace the traditional beat reporter in sports journalism.
You want to know what’s going on with my favorite pro sports team, the Portland Trail Blazers? A couple years ago, print media was your best bet for information. Three papers in the Portland area covered the team with beat reporters/columnists–the Oregonian, the Portland Tribune (a free biweekly), and the Vancouver, WA Columbian. Nowadays? By far the best Trail Blazers coverage comes from the SB Nation blog BlazersEdge. This blog is hosted by two bloggers, one of which is credentialed by the team and does the same reporting that the paper beat writers do FTMP. And since the blog isn’t trying to sell newspapers, it is far less sensationalist than the dead-tree columnists in town are.
An interesting question is, of course, how dependent a blogger is on the goodwill of a subject to maintain credentials. A few years ago, the team and them Oregonian were in a very public spat over coverage (with some unprofessional behavior on both sides)–but the team couldn’t simply yank the credentials of the town’s daily newspaper. If Ben Golliver were to piss off the team, however, the team might find it easier to tell him to get lost. One thing that the institutional newspaper does provide reporters (besides salary and expenses) is access–in a post newspaper world, it may be easier for corporations or politicians to simply ignore those reporters or blogs or whatever they don’t like.Report
Newspapers and publishing in general has always been in a large part paid for by advertising. Look at any periodical from the nineteenth century, well any periodical that the advertising hasn’t been removed from in the process of either binding them into volume form or in the process of putting them on microfilm. (This is a huge problem with the Google book project, but that’s another issue.) Advertising takes up a large part of the papers and magazines of the period. And yes, it was problematic for newspapers and periodicals. The monthly family literary magazine has all but disappeared by the 1890s for a variety of reasons having to do with shifting reading practices to changes in printing that made it possible to put out editions at more rapid rate. But declining advertising revenue formed a large part of their decline.
What worries me and intrigues me about the debate about where journalism and periodical publishing is going is the question of whether we can separate medium and message. The web is a medium that privileges shorter kinds of stories. I’m not sure the investigative journalism that we expect from newspapers can occur on the web. On the other hand. W.T. Stead’s 1885 “Maiden Tribute to Modern Babylon,” one of the most sensational investigative series of the late nineteenth century, was only possible because of the new rapidity of the newspaper press; Stead’s Pall Mall Gazette printed several editions. I think it is possible to present the kinds of information and investigative reporting we need online, but it is going to require reimagining how the message and medium fit together. Now making it a viable business is another story.Report
I always thought that even now, we should see a revolution in citizen journalism: i.e. anyone with a mobile phone with a camera could suddenly start reporting local news, dramatic events, invetigate foul play in his or her neighbor hood, etc.
But…?Report
The problem with craigslist classifieds is that they suck. if you have to advertise an apartment for rent, as I do every so often, you’ve got to do a lot more work to keep it in front of people, a lot fewer of whom show up. your listing keeps falling to the bottom. when i advertised my rental unit in the Wash DC free weekly, every time I counted the responses in the dozen. with craigslist, you’ve got to keep refreshing it and figuring out ways to thwart its ban on re-posting. yes, you can delete your previous ads, but more than a few people have told me they bookmarked the earlier ads only to find them gone. with a newspaper, you open it, hunt for apartments you like, check them off and check them out. it’s all right in front of you and you can carry it in your pocket. I’ve done it both ways numerous times and there’s no comparison–newspapers always got me a better volume of responses.Report
I’m trying to imagine a day in my life so slow that I spend my time correcting word usage on a blog’s comments.
You are correct. People who who think misusing words is unimportant should not be corrected. They should be ignored.Report
So I can’t understand lauding the brilliance of Craigslist when they have in essense taken an established business model and rendered its profitability a tiny fraction of what it once was.
The point your are missing is that the advent of instantaneous, paperless publishing rendered the value of the business model a fraction of what it once was. Craigslist did not do that, the inevitable march of innovation did that. As surely as gravity sucks down.
This is the same lesson the record companies, after spending enormous sums to buy politicians to defend their business model, after spending enormous sums to buy researchers to develop DRM schemes that were doomed to fail, and after spending enormous sums to spy on and sue their customers, have finally learned; their business model is obsolete, and the market value of their product is now a fraction of what it once was. It took Apple — after years of to experiments, most of which failed — to discover a new, workable business model and force the record companies to face reality.
The newspaper business model is based on one thing, selling ads. When an advertiser’s access to “eyeballs” was dear, the value of that ad space was valuable, and the business model sound. Now that access is ubiquitous, ad space is worth a fraction of what it once was, and the business model is no longer viable. Gravity, sucking down. Again.
If a hundred years ago society had done everything possible to save every buggywhip making job in America, there still wouldn’t be any buggywhip making jobs in America. The newspaper business is not any more sacred than any other industry whose time has passed. Deal with it, and stop shooting the messenger.Report
And heeding my own wisdom, “your” is not “you’re”. Mea culpa.Report
Freddie, when marginal costs are zero you have to go with “free”.Report
Newspapers only need to do one thing to be profitable: try.Report
“I’m trying to imagine a day in my life so slow that I spend my time correcting word usage on a blog’s comments.”
Freddie, please take a walk and get some sunlight tomorrow. Commenters will make mildly nit-picky corrections all the time. If you’re the blogger, it’s best to keep it mature and not make a veiled reference to what a loser the commenter must be. I’m really not saying this to be mean, but you come off as quite a bit angry in both your posts and comments (ie more than just passionate about your arguments). You are also sometimes needlessly disparaging of the person with whom you’re arguing. I really suggest that, no matter your beliefs, you avoid allowing political arguments to consume you and make you so visibly angry at others. You’re a good writer, but I really feel that this is affecting your writing.Report
Pretty simple, anonymous– input=ouput. Same as it ever was. And I don’t think I’ve ever been rendered angry by something on the Internet.Report
“Many journalists aren’t just whistling past the graveyard, they’re chortling past it. Perhaps I’m misreading, but I don’t actually see grim humor in the face of great sadness.”
I think this is true BUT, as the partner of a journalist, most of this “chortling” is simply frustration. They’re frustrated by the changes, uncertain about their future, but most of all, enormously angry at perceived incompetence by various levels of management. Many of them have seen changes coming for a long time, and many of those have tried to do something about it, either by blogging, retraining to shoot video as well as photo, or developing multimedia packages and projects. At the same time, the insitutions themselves, with some notable exceptions, have been extremely slow to invest the kinds of resources it would take to make these new technologies work. They’d love a working revolution, as long as it doesn’t cost any more money, involve hiring more than a handful of new people, and involve more than a week of retraining. It’s like relying on a week-long seminar to transition train conductors to airline pilots. I think for many, a healthy dose of that schadenfreude is directed at the people within their organization who get paid more money to make bad decisions. Take the San Francisco Chronicle; it’s been in the red for a decade, and Hearst squeezed various other network papers of profits to subsidize it, without any long-term solution to how they would turn it around. It was money down the drain that could have been spent girding up for the digital push. And if you’ve been working for them for ten years, at this point, it’s just pointless to get angry anymore. Why not laugh? It doesn’t get any more “grim” than that.Report