Thursday Throughput: Why Masks Are Coming Back, In 1030 Words

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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  1. Philip H says:

    Well done sir. Very well done.Report

  2. DensityDuck says:

    I guess this is meant as a balance to Russel Michaels?Report

  3. Damon says:

    I’ve been doing full contact jujitsu since last May (or earlier) when the gym opened back up with limited class sizes, 12 or less. We’re now at 25-30+ for fundamentals classes. No one masks-except some of the little kids to take the kid classes, and last night there was so much sweat on the matt it was literally slick. NO ONE has gotten covid. Age ranges for adults from 18-55. This in the bluest possible state in the country, reliably Democrat, liberal, etc. No one gives a damn anymore. That’s what happens when you start with “two weeks to flatten the curve” and turn it into 52 weeks.Report

  4. Motoconomist says:

    Incredibly well said.Report

  5. fillyjonk says:

    “One of the ironies of our society is that we have become so used to safety and long life that we’ve become suspicious of the things that got us there. ”

    OH MY GOODNESS YES THIS, THIS SO MUCH. I have low-level harassed a few people I know who started spouting the “but it could make people infertile to get vaccinated” (NO NO IT DOES NOT STOP READING FACEBOOK) and similar drivel.

    My mom remembers having had the measles. Some of her older siblings were raising kids during the “polio summers.” For us, the blessings of vaccination were not an abstract thing (I am kinda old, and both the previous generations of my family had their kids comparatively late in life – my grandmother was married right before the 1918 flu epidemic). My mom also remembers farm folks getting sick from unpasteurized milk, people having parasites from bad well water….having someone grow up poor and rural gives you a real appreciation for modern life.

    Campus here is set to open fully on Monday. No more distancing and “thanks” to our governor, we cannot institute an on-campus mask mandate. I am going to mask myself in class, and tell students in my considered opinion that even IF you are vaccinated you should mask in public indoors (and if they’re not vaccinated, to go do it ASAP unless it is medically contraindicated for them as an individual). We’ll see how much the students respect my informed opinion….Report

    • Oscar Gordon in reply to fillyjonk says:

      It’s like the people who are convinced that sear belts or motorcycle helmets are dangerous because they heard a story about how random events aligned that one time to create a situation where the belt or helmet was harmful, not helpful.Report

  6. Philip H says:

    NO. the vaccine doesn’t increase miscarriage rate about normal background.

    The miscarriage rate among the total number of women in the study who had their vaccine in the first or second trimester would have been 3.65% (104 out of 2,846) – though it is worth noting the study itself was preliminary and the CDC said a new study would be released soon.

    “About 10-25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, however, the actual number is likely higher because many miscarriages occur before people are aware, they are pregnant,” the CDC spokesperson said.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-pregnancy/fact-check-data-from-a-study-does-not-conclude-that-over-80-of-pregnancies-end-in-miscarriage-after-covid-19-vaccinations-figures-taken-out-of-context-idUSL1N2OX1WLReport

  7. Pinky says:

    Are there really fires burning in the South? The states that are spiking now did so last year at this time too. This is the season when everyone stays indoors in the South. The North has seen stronger spikes in winter. The latest Florida death tolls are worrying, but they practically match last early August. Florida and Texas sit at 25th and 26th in the nation for their overall covid deaths per 100,000, and slightly below the national average. Considering the age distribution in Florida, that’s remarkable.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

      Mississippi’s case count is now above its highest point last year and still climbing. The state hospital association has asked for a Us Navy hospital ship to be dispatched so that we can get treatment capacity. So far the governor has refused to activate the National Guard field hospitals.

      To the reasonable and prudent person it does appear the South is on fire.Report

      • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

        It’s really high. The death count is still about half its last-summer peak. With plenty of people having been immunized or previously exposed, and the Delta variant having a seemingly lower death rate, the number of deaths may not rise much.Report

        • DensityDuck in reply to Pinky says:

          I will say, we’re seeing a switch from “the DEATHS are going up, the DEATHS, lookit all the DEATHS” to ” the CASES are going up, lookit all the CASES”, but not as much talk about the rate at which people who test positive actually end up dead and whether (and how) it’s changed over time.

          Like, someone will talk about how many cases there are, and then talk about how many deaths there are, and then vamp when it comes to “how many of the dead people were fully vaccinated and had no comorbidities…”Report

          • Greginak in reply to DensityDuck says:

            Various states have overflowing hospitals. FLA is requesting extra ventilators, MISS is asking for fed help. Poopie is hitting the fan.Report

          • Dark Matter in reply to DensityDuck says:

            My new Southern state (Florida) is at LEAST half again it’s previous high for cases but deaths is still lower than peak.

            However deaths are still strongly pending up and will probably go above the previous peak.

            The vaccine helps, a lot, but get enough people to roll those dice and we can still get large numbers.Report

    • PD Shaw in reply to Pinky says:

      Texas appears to have peaked August 1st:

      https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f

      You need to click the “testing data” tab, but one case see the divergence btw/ testing for RNA and testing for virus. Virus peaked 8/1, while molecular tests flattened around 8/4. This could be because the vaccines or prior infection suppressed further spread.Report

    • fillyjonk in reply to Pinky says:

      anecdotally, we did not see the levels of near-hospital-overwhelm last year that we are seeing now. And it’s worse that apparently a lot of it is kids now – I am kind of dreading the first few weeks of the school year (I do not have children but I have colleagues/friends here who do).

      Deaths are down but death isn’t the ONLY bad outcome of COVID.Report

      • JS in reply to fillyjonk says:

        It’s worth noting that Texas school districts are moving towards just flat out open revolt.

        Some are filing lawsuits, some are just…ignoring the Governor’s ban on mask-mandates. And I suspect all will be willing to send home kids who refuse to wear masks, whether they cite dress code or something else, content to pay the price for a year or two of lawyers arguing while they keep masks on.

        At this point, I suspect some places aren’t far off from ignoring the Courts if they decide Abbot’s ban on masks is allowable.

        (FWIW, the legal arguments against Abbot’s mask ban aren’t bad. There is a decent argument that he’s basically seized control of powers reserved for the Legislature alone to do so. Whether it will hold up in court, I don’t know. Perhaps the relevant districts can create a GoFundMe, as the Texas Supreme Court recently showed that a mere 250k to their various election funds can buy a result)Report

        • fillyjonk in reply to JS says:

          I admit if it weren’t so deadly serious (as in: there might be kids who die because of the mask-mandate-ban leading to their getting infected), I’d kind of enjoy watching the drama as Abbott gets hauled into court over this.

          My own state has banned mask mandates, I think a few districts up by OKC have as much as said as “let’s see you try to enforce that” and I’m thinking maybe those officials all need masks printed with “Molon Labe” (the phrase beloved of 2nd amendment activists) but here it applies to the mask.Report

      • Pinky in reply to fillyjonk says:

        How much of that is covid-19, and how much is RSV though?Report

  8. Meg Reilly says:

    Well written and well argued. Thank you for posting this. It’s useful to me when I can add a good analogy to my toolkit. I particularly like “Never mind that the reason there wasn’t a breakout was because we took precautions,” and its corollary, “That’s like asking why you should bother with cornerbacks when your defensive line is so good.” I think coming at this topic with examples like that are very helpful to people who don’t get it. I’m also grateful for the link to Andrew Donaldson’s excellent article on masking from May 2020. A must-read for any knucklehead who thinks, “Eh, if I get it, I’ll get a ventilator, some meds, get over it and be good as new — and I did that all without a vaccine.” For crying out loud, just get a shot, wear a mask and we can all move beyond this. 619,000 dead as of now. So many lives gone needlessly. It makes me angry, yes, but it also makes me sad. Those were all people’s moms or dads or brother, sister, husband, wife. And now, more and more we hear it’s kids. It did not — does not — have to be this way.Report

  9. Philip H says:

    Just a friendly reminder that masks actually work:

    We find that most environments and contacts are under conditions of low virus abundance (virus-limited), where surgical masks are effective at preventing virus spread. More-advanced masks and other protective equipment are required in potentially virus-rich indoor environments, including medical centers and hospitals. Masks are particularly effective in combination with other preventive measures like ventilation and distancing.

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6549/1439.fullReport

  10. The analogy the anti-maskers often make is that wearing a mask is like using a chain-link fence to keep out mosquitos

    Though the chain-link fence apparently does trap paramecia (CO2).Report

  11. Jaybird says:

    Obama’s birthday party was, apparently, a super-spreader event.

    How irritating.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird says:

      Not “was”, “could have become that and was cancelled because of that”.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Dark Matter says:

        I have not seen any information that it was cancelled.

        I have seen information that it occurred.

        Ooooh, but more information that the party was not a super-spreader event, just that the number of cases on the island have spiked in the day or so following the party (which, apparently, happened).Report

        • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird says:

          https://thehill.com/changing-america/566252-obama-cancels-party-after-super-spreader-accusations

          Former President Obama’s massive birthday party plans have been drastically reduced amid concerns the gathering could serve as a superspreader event as the delta coronavirus variant surges across the U.S.

          Hundreds of people were expected to attend Obama’s 60th birthday bash at the 44th president’s Martha’s Vineyard home scheduled for Saturday, and some prospective attendees were already en route to the party, The New York Times reported. Others were in the process of mandatory coronavirus testing before the Obamas decided to limit attendance to family and friends.

          “Due to the new spread of the Delta variant over the past week, the President and Mrs. Obama have decided to significantly scale back the event to include only family and close friends,”Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Dark Matter says:

            Erykah Badu Issues Apology to Barack and Michelle Obama for Posting Video From Birthday Party:

            Erykah Badu is apologizing for being a “terrible guest” at former President Barack Obama’s 60th birthday party.

            The singer was one of the guests who attended Obama’s private birthday gathering that took place at Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts last weekend. However despite photography and videography at the party reportedly prohibited, Badu posted a video on her Instagram Story of herself, Obama and others dancing at the event for her 5 million followers to see. The video has since been deleted.

            Report

            • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird says:

              So… they scaled it back and it was still large? Or they just anounced they were scaling it back but didn’t?

              And was it a large event or a super-spreader event?Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Dark Matter says:

                If they scaled it back but still had it, that meshes with my understanding that it happened.

                From what I can tell, they don’t know that it was a super-spreader event, the headlines that it was one were all committing the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.Report