Starbucks Changes Sitting, Restroom Policy
In the words of our own @trumwill, “This will end badly.” Starbucks has announced a new policy that touts anyone can sit on their properties or use the restrooms whether they are a paying customer or not.
Company executives have said its previous policies were loose and ambiguous, leaving decisions on whether people could sit in its stores or use the restroom up to store managers.
Starbucks said it has told workers to consider anyone who walks into its stores a customer, “regardless of whether they make a purchase.”
The company said anyone can use its cafes, patios or restrooms without buying anything, but it noted workers should still call the police if someone is a safety threat.“We are committed to creating a culture of warmth and belonging where everyone is welcome,” Starbucks said in a statement.
This move comes as part of the coffee giant’s continuing response to an incident in Philadelphia:
NY Times:
Last month, two black men who went to a Starbucks in Philadelphia and did not buy anything were denied use of the restroom and asked to leave.
Then an employee called the police and the men were arrested, prompting protests, boycotts and accusations of racism.Now, Starbucks has changed its policy.
On Saturday the company announced that “any customer is welcome to use Starbucks spaces, including our restrooms, cafes and patios, regardless of whether they make a purchase.”
It added that employees should follow established procedures for “addressing disruptive behaviors,” and call 911 in the case of “immediate danger or threat” to employees or customers.Previously it might have fallen to store managers to decide whether people could sit or use the restroom without buying anything, The Associated Press reported.
“This is now an established policy for consistency across all of our U.S. company operated stores,” Haley Drage, a Starbucks spokeswoman, said on Sunday.The men who were arrested in Philadelphia, Rashon Nelson and Donte Robinson, were waiting for another man, Andrew Yaffe, who is white, for a business meeting on April 12 when the officers arrived. Their arrest was captured in video footage that has been viewed millions of times on social media.
“What did they get called for?” Mr. Yaffe asked in the video, referring to the police. “Because there are two black guys sitting here meeting me?”
Starbucks did not press charges and the men were released hours later.After protests erupted, Starbucks apologized and Kevin R. Johnson, the company’s chief executive, released a statement in which he called the arrests a “reprehensible outcome.” The employee who called the police was fired.
Reaction was pretty much what you would expect:
BRB… packing a suitcase to move in to my new apartment… it's the entire 2nd floor of the Starbucks. https://t.co/UicJcEqQJu
— Tim Young (@TimRunsHisMouth) May 20, 2018
Note to self: avoid NYC Starbucks at all costs going forward. https://t.co/uhZ9X7ohBW pic.twitter.com/BJ8cCsTI30
— Sonny Bunch (@SonnyBunch) May 20, 2018
I believe the manager who called the cops was in the wrong and had overreacted (most likely due to the race of the two men), but this is an unnecessary overcorrection that Starbucks is going to regret. https://t.co/lmFINrgR6N
— Sarah Quinlan (@sarahmquinlan) May 20, 2018
I am wiling to bet this ends in increased sales.
— Tod Kelly (@RTodKelly) May 20, 2018
Time will tell. My biggest issue with Starbucks is that compared to others I am already less likely to be able to find a seat. Which is a situation this seems likely to make worse.
— Will Truman (@trumwill) May 20, 2018
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I think this is a small town versus big city thing. In most small towns where I’ve lived, there was the place that people hung around and jawboned in the mornings while trying to get themselves going. Sometimes, it was a diner or coffee shop. In the town where I grew up, it was my family’s hardware store. Sure, sometimes they bought something, or they just drank coffee and talked till they felt it was time to go to work. I later worked in a grocery store where people would come in, buy a cup of coffee, and talk for two hours. But it was good business because it made for loyal customers and it made the place a resource for the community. But in most big cities I’ve been to, public spaces are kept strictly “for customers only”, which is a way of saying “homeless guys stay out”. In the small towns, you didn’t really have the same homeless issue.Report
I realize that some are legit concerned about crowding and inconvenience but there’s an unsettling undertone to some of the criticism that is something like “poor people should not participate in society.” Sitting around chatting in a Starbucks is part of our culture, even if not a super important one. Not wanting THOSE people in “our” spaces is part of the issue. I’m not saying that the folks quote tweeted here are thinking that, but I do think some people have that concern, even if subconsciously.Report
I haven’t heard that undertone anywhere. I have seen what happens to a restaurant when its bathroom becomes Occupy’s favorite scrubdown spot.Report
I have two conflicting intuitions.
1. I think that there is a norm that if you are going to occupy a table you should have made at least one purchase. If you are waiting for a friend and will later buy something, still buy something first. If you can’t afford even a single extra cup of coffee, I don’t see what business you have being in that coffee shop.
2. If you’re out in the middle of nowhere and the inn/bar/cafe has the only available toilet and you’ve got to go, you’ve got to go. There have been times when I have been driving along back roads and am far from any rest stop that I have been glad that the local pub will let me use their toilet.
Allowing anyone to use your toilet can create a lot of good will. But only so long as everyone abides by the norm to use tables and toilets only if you’re a customer except in really urgent situations.Report
I’m sure Starbucks will be lauded by many people..including the homeless, who now have a very nice play to stay when the weather turns cold. Question is whether or not the paying customers will mind.Report
Left unsaid:
“We needed to have a policy like this since our managers obviously cannot be trusted to exercise wisdom and discernment.”Report
Also:
“We need to have a policy like this because when our managers fail to exercise wisdom and discernment, they call the police, who we trust even less to exercise wisdom and discernment.”Report
I am not someone who drinks coffee. I also don’t own a television. I am also a vegan.
That said, this strikes me as a policy that will give many Starbucks employees a bad day or two over the next week or so, but, if I had to guess, the overwhelming majority of Starbucks had this policy before today. So after this blows over after a dozen news cycles or so (about a week? Maybe two?), everything will be more or less back to normal after the performative protestors finish their performative sit-ins.Report
My personal guess is this is true. For weird geographical reasons the Starbucks in my very gentrified, very yuppie, Houston inner ring suburb, with plenty of couples walking their dogs, jogging mums pushing three wheel strollers and a drive thru a mile long has always had homeless people from a nearby (like 10 blocks ) city refuge.
They come in, get a glass of water, sit for a couple of hours, escape the heat, charge their phones, and go. They are familiar faces. Sometimes they engage in small talk with other patrons.
Significantly, my Starbucks replaced the Male and Female restrooms with two equally open to all restrooms at the time Target got into trouble late in the Obama Era. I thought it was a corporate thing and was surprised to find out most Starbucks still have separate genders restrooms. So apparently I’m blessed with woke Starbucks managers.Report
Is that the Starbucks across the street from the Starbucks? 🙂
Or did one of them finally close…Report
Nope. Those are still in the West Gray shopping plaza next to River Oaks. Mine is the Garden Oaks/Oak Forest one (GOOF for short hehe)
Different Oaks, but I can understand the confusionReport
For anyone who doesn’t drink coffee, I recommend Starbucks.Report
Starbucks is not really about coffee. There coffee tastes fairly horrible in my view (and the views of many others). Felix Salmon calls Starbucks a “third space” business. A place that is not your home and not the office where you can meet people to work, discuss business, etc. Or work by yourself.Report
So now I have a place to go where there’s no threat of running into Sonny Bunch?Report
Whatever Starbucks’s official policy is, I’m sure there are ways to subtly discourage non-patrons from staying.Report
Going back to my own comment above about homeless people in my Starbucks, these people are cautious not to overstay their welcome. They are aware and mindful of how crowded the place is and move away if they think the space is needed for paying customers. Likewise, we all know they use the bathrooms to freshen up, but they don’t make a mess of it.
Starbucks is a precious resource for them, and they manage it appropriatelyReport
Actually at Starbucks right now – There’s one of our regular homeless persons sitting next to me. He’s charging his phone,and minding his business
I’m glad he has a safe place to go to – Summer started on Saturday here in Houston – Six months of dreadful weather in front of usReport
I don’t think this is much of a change from what most starbucks currently do. My guess is that is why it was so easy. Still, I think Starbucks should be lauded for how they handled the situation. I don’t understand why people keep beating them up over it from whatever perspective.Report
Oh Sonny Bunch, do you know how not to be a horrible person?
I think Tod is right for what it’s worth. This will generate sales for Starbucks in the long run.Report
The irony of talks of liberal elitism considering the responses shown here.Report
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