31 thoughts on “The Majority Is Always Right

    1. I’ll grant “intriguing to read.”

      I find a hole in the argumentation, though, in this point:

      It ought to be about persuasion. Persuasion is what democracy is all about.

      It seems to me that, if the majority is always right, the majority will simply make it illegal to engage in persuasive argumentation from a non-majoritarian viewpoint.

      Free speech means protecting unpopular speech, for popularly supported speech really needs no protection.Report

      1. You’re never going to persuade someone from black to white all at one go. Persuasion starts by moving people from black to charcoal gray, with white a long-term goal. That is, effectively persuasive speech won’t be of the sort that offends enough for the majority to outlaw it.Report

          1. Liberalism had a much easier time of it when there was a Soviet Union, and a (real) socialist movement in the US. Without that contrast, conservatives call Obama a Marxist for proposing to raise the top marginal tax rate 3.9 points.Report

            1. Conservatives have been accusing liberals of really being “marxists” forever. They accused trade unions of being marxists; hell, they accused the civil rights movement of being a bunch of communists.

              Conservatives today wouldn’t know a real “socialist” or “communist” if one walked up and shook their hand.Report

              1. I think the reason for that is that the Red Scare was the zenith of the conservative movement. The US had an real enemy worth of the name, that was actively trying to infiltrate the upper echelons of US society. Finally there was a concrete Bad Guy you could point (and suspect your opponents of being in league with).

                It was a good as it gets for them, and many of them seem to be at a loose end as to how to deal with the fall of the USSR. This is why you get all these goofy UN conspiracy theories and antiquated accusations of marxism.Report

              2. There’s also the fact that Marxism actually was influential among liberal American intellectuals at the time.

                Remembering that got really inconvenient about the time Stalin came along.Report

  1. A theoretical danger, M.A., but not one with all that much historical evidence behind it. Experience shows us that minority viewpoints get “air time” and consideration by the electorate as a whole is consistently borne out, even in very difficult times like war — and even in those isolated incidents when certain points of view have been suppressed (always with overwhelming majority support, I note) those suppressions have been temporary and in times of crisis, and invariably relaxed after the crisis has passed.Report

    1. “In the long run, we’re all dead.” As important to remember regarding speech and persuasion as it is in dealing with fruitcake economic theories about how “the marketplace” will eventually make everything alright if we just laissez-faire and give it enough time.

      Suppression has been the norm in human society, not the exception. The societies that allowed for free expression, or even just moderately-free expression, tend to travel in waves. Athens was an island of such, but the Spartans and most other Greek city-states had little regard for open discourse. The Jews were something of a rarity around the other tribes in pre-anno domini times, and that a historical artifact surrounding the fact that they had made their test of manhood not a question of hunting, or physical skill, but the ability to read a passage from a book and discuss its meaning with the learned scribes and religious elders.

      Again: for most of human history, tribalism, monarchy and theocracy have been the rule. Even in the relatively open societies whitewashed by time and history, the freedoms we’ve come to expect in modern representative societies are not found. Speaking against Caesar in Rome wasn’t going to end well. Agitating an uprising for separatism from England, in any age, met with swift retribution from the Crown.

      The idea of free speech, the ability to say what you will without having your head cut off, is not a historical certainty but a historical rarity.Report

      1. …[F]or most of human history, tribalism, monarchy and theocracy have been the rule. Even in the relatively open societies whitewashed by time and history, the freedoms we’ve come to expect in modern representative societies are not found. … The idea of free speech, the ability to say what you will without having your head cut off, is not a historical certainty but a historical rarity.

        For most of human history, this may well be true. For the era of liberal democracy, not so much.

        Speaking against Caesar in Rome wasn’t going to end well. Agitating an uprising for separatism from England, in any age, met with swift retribution from the Crown.

        As to Rome, that depended a lot on the Caesar against whom you spoke. Many emperors were quite tolerant of dissent. As to England, Canadians and Australians and Kiwis got their independence from the Crown without significant violence.Report

        1. Canadians and Australians and Kiwis got their independence from the Crown without significant violence.

          They still swear allegiance to the Crown on paper. And their ability to separate came during the time when the Crown was deciding it wasn’t worth the costs of distributive leadership.

          Ask the Irish how the Crown felt about separation. Ask the Scots. Ask the Welsh. Ask the Northern Irish.Report

        2. “There can be no free speech in a revolutionary period. We have the peasantry against us because we can give them nothing in return for their bread. We will have them on our side when we have something to exchange. Then you can have all the free speech you want — but not now.”Report

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