Sowwy for shouting, but I'm extremely tired of people like Heather McDonald promising a valid secular for opposing SSM and failing to deliver.
There simply is none.
I would just like smart people, who do the substrate to understand this, to admit it. There is no way to have intelligent discourse on an issue that rests on a false positive.

Look.....why can't people/bloggers/etc just admit the truth?
There is no valid secular reason to oppose SSM.

I’m a blogger.

All the more reason for you to be honest.

That is whole problem inna nutshell. The conservative intelligentsia knows right from wrong. But how to communicate that to teh Base?
Here's a question for Klein, Payne, Douthat, Poulos, Klein, Manzi and Reihan.....are you leaders? Or are you panderers?

Freddie is EXACTLY right.
The only reason to oppose SSM is ignorant religious bigotry.
And EVERYONE here, and at the "SecularRight" absolutely knows that.
Just acknowledge it so that we can move on please and advance the dialog.

The difference between same sex marriage and traditional marriage is the natural ability to procreate. It is a pure scientific argument for traditional marriage, one to which a same sex couple can never hope to achieve. That is the reason for traditional marriage and that is why same sex marriage will never exist on the same plane.

Bullshytt.
Adoption, invitro, host wombs, ectogenesis.
If you are going to support families, support ALL families.
Single mom families, single dad families, grandparent families, same sex parents families, black families, brown families, yellow families, purple familes.
Otherwise please shove your religious bigotry where the sun don't shine.

I understand the difficulty of selling this to the xian base.
They simply don't have the substrate to value the citizenship over crude tribalism argument.
So you sell the argument by telling them they will lose forever unless they modulate their claim on the autonomy and validity of mob rule.
And this is true because they are no longer the biggest mob.
;)

Noble effort Freddie, but it is a single branch of a tree, a part of a greater problem.
Let me repeat, there is no valid secular reason to oppose same sex marriage. SecularRight has not provided one, no one has provided one.
Because there isn't one.
This is the base problem.

With that one line, the president “seems to be trying to redefine American culture, which is distinctively Christian,” said’ Bishop E.W. Jackson of the Exodus Faith Ministries in Chesapeake, Va. “The overwhelming majority of Americans identify as Christians, and what disturbs me is that he seems to be trying to redefine who we are.”

Earlier this week, Jackson was a guest on the popular conservative Christian radio show ‘Janet Parshall’s America,’ where a succession of callers, many of whom identified themselves as African-American, said they shared the concern, and were perplexed and put off by the president’s shout-out to nonbelievers…

Jackson says: “Obviously, Jewish heritage is very much a part of Christianity; the Jewish Bible is part of our Bible. But Hindu, Muslim, and nonbelievers? I don’t think so. We are not a Muslim nation or a nonbelieving nation.”

The arguments I see represented from thoughtful (but basically wrongheaded) commenters basically sum to "We own teh culture, therefore we can dictate laws."
This is mob rule, like the Ancients warned us against.
This is what wiped the Pythagoreans, mathematekoi and aukousmatikoi alike.

...there are three forms of governments and their perversions...and the perversion of a Republic is a Democracy..."

I don't know.....from the Lieutenant's description, I was hoping for something a little more....subversive.
A particular type of citizen family cannot be discriminated against.
Marriage is membership.

What I’d like to add to Scott’s theme of “Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should”...

Let me fix that for you, cher.
What I’d like to add to Scott’s theme of “Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should” BUT somebody will.
So as a pragmatist/realist, the implication is that we must adapt to actions we would never have taken ourselves.