Resistance Is Futile, Y’all

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has been the Managing Editor of Ordinary Times since 2018, is a widely published opinion writer, and appears in media, radio, and occasionally as a talking head on TV. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter@four4thefire. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast. Subscribe to Andrew'sHeard Tell Substack for free here:

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  1. CJColucci says:

    The lack of distinct second-person pronouns for the singular and the plural has been a problem. Y’all is as good a solution as any, though northeasterners might prefer “youse” and I’m not even going to try to spell the seemingly unique Pittsburgh solution.Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to CJColucci says:

      On a related note, this is one reason why singular they is terrible. Every time I see it I have to go back and make sure I didn’t miss an additional person that had been introduced as a referent.

      Apologists say that it’s no different from “you” doubling as singular and plural, but that’s not a good thing. Lack of a distinctly plural second-person pronoun leads to ambiguity, which is why we keep evolving workarounds like y’all, all of you, you guys, alls y’all, yinz, and so forth.

      And third-person pronouns are probably used in number-ambiguous contexts more often than second-person pronouns. It’s only a matter of time before people start saying th’all or something like that to clarify that the plural is intended.Report

      • CJColucci in reply to Brandon Berg says:

        The war against singular “they” is lost, and we may as well get used to it. While my own stylistic preferences are generally conservative and I usually avoid singular “they” when I have time to reflect and edit — usually by recasting the sentence entirely — it slips out in my casual speech all the time. Largely because the gender-neutral third-person “it” has never caught on as a proper reference to persons, people who don’t want to exclude half the population in sentences where the gender of the person referred to is irrelevant have, for centuries, used “they” when the mossbacks and fussbudgets have insisted that “he” is just plain correct, goddammit, for — well, reasons.
        I have been seeing singular “they” used in more and more formal writing, even in books coming out of conservative publishing houses, and expect that it will become fully acceptable in formal writing in my lifetime, which isn’t much longer to run.
        We all cling to our crotchets, though. For decades I have advocated “ain’t” as the proper first-person singular alternative to second-person “aren’t” and third-person “isn’t.” “Ain’t” = contracted form of “am I not,” relieving us of the illogical “aren’t I?” Unfortunately, “ain’t” hasn’t been cabined so logically, used where “isn’t” already functions perfectly well. And, so used, it scans better in much music and poetry. As Dylan might have said: It isn’t I, babe, no, no, no, it isn’t I, babe. It isn’t I for whom you look, babe.Report

  2. Pinky says:

    That’s not the right video link. It should be the Tupac song that uses the tightest-constructed phrase in Southern grammar. (For those who don’t know, it refers to fishing.) Also, that Outkast song is really beautiful when anyone but Outkast does it.Report

  3. Michael Cain says:

    I moved from Texas to New Jersey the summer of ’78 after two years of graduate school. I had to unlearn the slower — but generally unaccented — speech I had acquired. “Y’all” stayed in my vocabulary for years, though, because it’s useful.

    It sounds like a joke, but after my second week as a TA in Austin, a small group of students stayed for minute. “We enjoy the section, and your accent is no problem, but could you speak a bit slower? We don’t listen quite that fast.”Report

  4. DensityDuck says:

    “And then there’s you’ns, which is y’all plus three…”Report

  5. Chris says:

    Now that the world’s discovering southern English, I’m hoping “fixin’ tuh” will catch on so that my mother will finally stop bugging me about using it.Report