Wednesday Writs: The Ku Klux Klan Act, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Suing Donald Trump

Em Carpenter

Em was one of those argumentative children who was sarcastically encouraged to become a lawyer, so she did. She is a proud life-long West Virginian, and, paradoxically, a liberal. In addition to writing about society, politics and culture, she enjoys cooking, podcasts, reading, and pretending to be a runner. She will correct your grammar. You can find her on Twitter.

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  1. Ozzzy! says:

    Is there a funnier term used seriously than “Walkie-Talkie”? I guess “Movies” would come close, but radio, wirelessly, over the air, etc. are all right there and then I read they used their “walkie-talkie” and my spine cringes up like an accordion.

    Probably just me and sorry, I’ll finish the article now.Report

  2. Kolohe says:

    L5 – yeah, if the government messes up and winds up giving you money, it’s rarely a ‘bank error in your favor’ situation. They’ll often catch this stuff on review and demand the money back (and possibly charge you with a crime if the mistake was super obvious)Report

    • LeeESq in reply to Kolohe says:

      L5: My parents were once in this situation a few years ago. I believe they made sure to keep track of a big tax refund until they believed everything was in the clear.Report

  3. DensityDuck says:

    [L3] My health plan gave me fifty bucks for getting a TDAP shot and nobody seemed to have a problem with that, so I can’t imagine that similar direct incentives for a COVID vaccine would be treated any differently. I did have to pay taxes on that fifty bucks, but it’s not like the step-counter thing where people could legitimately say “I’m disabled and can’t walk, how am I supposed to use a step counter”.Report

  4. Oscar Gordon says:

    L4: Really, there isn’t a better way to address such externalities than to create legal absurdities?Report

  5. 100% agree that Owen Wilson is terrible and should never be on TV or in movies ever again. Also, Kristen Schaal should only work as a voice actor and Aaron Paul should be in everything.Report

  6. veronica d says:

    [L5] I wonder if I’m unusual, as I would return the money because it’s the right thing to do. Certainly, like most people, I find taxes unpleasant, but the money isn’t mine. I know where it came from. I would return it. It’s not much different from returning a lost wallet or letting a cashier know they gave you too much change.

    My father once lost his wallet while on vacation. Needless to say, this was an annoyance, although they were able to continue their vacation with help from their bank. A few days after returning home, his wallet arrived in the mail, with all the cards and the cash. The sender didn’t even take money for postage. What a lovely person. (I would have sent the wallet, but probably taken cash to cover postage, but still.)

    Anyway, all the warnings that “if you keep the money you’ll get in trouble,” while important and probably true, seem to miss the point. Don’t keep the money because it isn’t yours, you know it isn’t yours, and you know where it came from.Report

    • Oscar Gordon in reply to veronica d says:

      IIRC, you can’t just ‘return the money’. Like, if you turned around, cashed the check, and then sent the money to the US Treasury as a gift, and then the IRS decided they made a mistake and wanted the money back, your receipt from the Treasury showing the gift would not be sufficient to get the IRS off your back.Report

      • veronica d in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        True. The fact that returning the money is a kafkaesque bureaucratic hassle is — well — it’s a thing. In any case, don’t spend it. Make a good faith attempt to return it, etcetera. Myself, I use an accountant, so I would just ask them how to handle the sitch. My point remains, returning it is the right thing to do, and one should do the right thing.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        Its nearly impossible to “gift” or donate to the US Government. Other than tax revenue, the only way we can receive funds from the public is for statutorily authorized use or permit fees. The idea is if you keep government expenditures to appropriated funds, you removed profit driven cronyism and competition with the private sector.Report

        • CJColucci in reply to Philip H says:

          I thought Justice Holmes left his estate to the United States. Did I remember wrong, or have the rules changed?Report

          • Philip H in reply to CJColucci says:

            I believe the rules have changed. nAgain, there are statutory clauses where you can make donations to specific things – including reducing the national debt. But most things most people would want to donate for can’t take the funds, and then even if you do, it just goes to Treasury for reallocation by congress.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to veronica d says:

      In Japan, people repeatedly return lose money they find to the nearest police koban. Not wallets with identifying marks but if you find a 1000 yen note on the street, many Japanese people will give it to the police.Report

    • Oscar Gordon in reply to veronica d says:

      Now, me, what I’d do is call my bank, open a Money Market account (or something interest earning), drop that check into that, and then forget I had the account. If the IRS comes back and says they made a boo-boo and they want their money back, I close the account and send them a check. If they don’t, I let it accrue interest until they do, or the statute of limitations is up (if there is one for such things). At the very least, I get to earn some interest on it.Report

      • veronica d in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        That seems valid. I wonder if you could get in trouble according to some obscure law? In any case, I’d suggest checking with a tax lawyer before you try that.

        It’s worth noting, I tend to be very risk-averse when it comes to regulation. I actually know very little about various regulations, and I assume that my “common sense assumptions” about what is okay might be very wrong in a very horrible way. In other words, I’d almost always talk to a lawyer first.Report

      • A long time ago, the company I worked for had a buyout (N months salary if you resigned), which a teammate of mine who was already thinking of leaving took. He had a very common name (not John Smith, but close), in fact, the same name as a VP who also got bought out, and so he got a check for what was obviously way too much money. He did what you suggest, deposit it in an interest-bearing but liquid account and wait to see what happens.

        What happened is they figured it out almost immediately (probably after the VP got a relative pittance), and notified my friend that by depositing a check that was obviously a mistake he’d committed fraud, but if he gave it back right-fishing-now they wouldn’t press charges. I’m pretty sure that was an idle threat, but it worked.Report

  7. Ozzzy! says:

    Just a point of order here – an uncashed check cannot be returned. Dude can do Literally Anything besides going to his bank and saying ‘money please’.Report

  8. Brandon Berg says:

    L7: To be fair, it’s a bit much to expect a foreigner to know 0118 999 881 999 119 7253 off the top of her head.Report