Make the 1920s Great Again? A Superficially Appealing Story of The Republican Party

Avi Woolf

3rd class Elder of Zion. Wilderness conservative/traditionalist. Buckley Club alum. Chief editor of @conpathways.

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  1. LeeEsq says:

    Donald Trump was in no way a compromise choice. Many liberal journalists early like Jonathan Chait noticed that Trump was a candidate with real enthusiasm behind him because of his rhetoric. What people thought was that the party leadership would have enough control to prevent Trump from getting the nomination but that turned out not to be the case. In 2020, there was something a little similar in how a lot of the college educated Democratic voters were floored when Biden won the Presidential nomination even though it was pretty clear that he was the frontrunner if you actually paid attention to the rank and file primary voter.

    Similarly, Trump might have made noise about the difference between legal and illegal immigration but in practice his policies were entirely against all immigration by imposing policies that slowed the entire process down or having his Attorney Generals issue really political decisions that contradicted the flat language of the INA. The entire remain in Mexico or MPP program was anti-immigrant because the INA states in plain black letter law language that showing up to the border, be it southern, northern, or at an airport, and asking for entry to seek asylum is perfectly legal.Report

    • JS in reply to LeeEsq says:

      Trump had a solid 30% of the base behind him. Beating that, in a winner-take-all primary system where the remaining 70% was fractured across about 10 candidates required 8 of them to drop out. Probably 9, given some of that 70% would have Trump as a second choice.

      And they had to do it early, as the “winner take all” primary stacked up delegates.

      They didn’t. Everyone thought they could break the pack and snap up that 70%. So nobody did.

      And pretty much everyone else fell in line, as usual.

      (Interestingly enough, had the GOP used the same proportional delegate allotment as Democrats do, Trump likely would have been beaten in the end, as he wouldn’t have racked up a huge delegate lead on the back of narrow wins. He wasn’t, IIRC, a huge second choice for most of the candidate’s supporters)Report

  2. Philip H says:

    The lesson here, more than anything, is to look at what parties and leaders do in practice, not just what they say they will or wish to do. Ideologues and elites are important in providing ideas, policies, and the intellectual justification for both, but in the end – hard to believe as it is – it is the voters who have the last word in a democracy.

    As Lee notes above, some liberals notice these things, says these things and get dismissed. Its like the current crop of Republican state anti-abortion laws, or the anti-trans & Gay education legislation. These actions tell us who the GOP is. We should really believe them.Report

  3. InMD says:

    I think the GOP gave up this game when it failed to develop a platform for 2020. It’s now operating downstream of its media celebrity and newstainment apparatus. There is no forward looking policy, other than maybe vulgar supply-side-ism comparable to a chicken still walking around after its head has been cut off.Report

    • Philip H in reply to InMD says:

      100% agree, with a modifier – they didn’t develop a new platform because the most recent one was judged sufficient, in a much as policy matters in politics anymore.Report

    • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

      I don’t get that. I never thought that mattered, either substantively or in appearance. The primaries, the conventions, the normal campaigns, basically didn’t exist that year.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

        That’s precisely his point – all those things didn’t matter to or for the GOP. Nor will they going forward apparently.Report

        • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

          I’m not just talking about the Republicans. Both neither national convention met the standards of a normal state convention. The Democrats tried to cancel the in-person Wisconsin election in April. Biden hardly made any campaign stops all year, and Trump was criticized for having “super-spreader” rallies. Both parties limped along. A platform would probably have required a lot of meetings and cajoling, and there wasn’t a need for a new one because the same presidential candidate was running.

          “Nor will they going forward apparently.”

          Surely you don’t mean that. Republicans don’t care about primaries? Conventions? Campaigns? For that matter, what sign is there that Republicans don’t care about platforms, and won’t be fighting over the next one? Any sign?Report

          • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

            Republicans were mostly rewarded at the state level with abandoning platforms nationally, just like they believe they have been rewarded for both obstructionism under prior administrations, and 4 to 5 decades of message discipline and judicial activism. They won’t do it if they see no need to do it.Report

            • JS in reply to Philip H says:

              I suspect, eventually, this will bite them on the ass. Their numbers get progressively worse as demographics get younger, and their current approach seems to custom made to make that worse, rather than better.

              However “eventually” is, well, “eventually”. It reminds me of the whole “the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.

              So I look at the renewed culture war stuff and wonder. You can view it as an angry last gasp, and look at the potential overturn of R v. Wade as a “be careful what you wish for” moment, and the sudden return to gay-bashing and elevated trans bashing as the GOP ditching the slow, steady, dog-whistle approach in favor of a sort of blatant roar that mobilizes foe as much (or more) than ally.

              Roe versus Wade alone — with so many trigger laws on the books, the GOP has simply ditched all it’s “make it illegal in all but name” approaches and gone with just…bluntness. And last polls I checked, there are an awful lot of pro-life voters who aren’t single-issue (and heavily motivated) solely because they think Roe.v Wade is a settled issue and can’t be overturned. (And the fact that the status quo is hard to drum people up to support. Unsettled, unhappy people show up. People content with the way things are just assume it’ll stay that way).

              Problem is, why you can view this as an angry last gasp — you can also view it as a renewed energy on the right. I think demographically that looks….unlikely…but who knows?

              And even if it is — people who worry they’re going to lose power can do a LOT of damage in the time they have left.Report

      • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

        For 2020 I think everybody understood the core components of the agenda they would be voting for with a Biden administration- those things being pretty well reflected in BIF and BBB. Obviously much of this was way oversold in terms of what was possible and in the case of BBB the ball seems to have been really badly dropped by Democratic congressional leadership. Not to say there were not other themes, much of which can probably be reduced to Not Trump, but there was a core vision, whittled down from a really scattershot primary with lots of conflicting priorities and philosophies.

        I would compare this to even 2016 Trump where the substantive agenda could be boiled down to repeal and replace ACA and (being really generous) curb the tide of illegal immigration, in addition to the usual culture warring. For 2020 there was certainly the ‘Yes Trump!’ but nothing else I can figure out. Like, say the election had gone the other way. What would the agenda be right now? Obviously it would be something but I don’t think anyone can predict what, which IMO is emblematic of the totally reactive approach to politics the GOP has fallen into at the national level.Report

        • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

          I don’t think the agenda (sadly) would be different in a second Trump term with or without a platform. I think who Trump was and what he’d do was pretty clear, and frankly I don’t remember the Democratic agenda being much more than “No Trump!”. I mean, look at your own positions. You’ve expressed some discomfort with what the Democrats have been pushing. Did you think it’d play out like this?Report

          • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

            I think your view on what Trump would do is probably right but I also think it is critical to have some sort of grounded philosophy of governance, and at least a basic vision for what that looks like in practice. I think the GOP lost that sometime during W Bush’s second term and has ended up defaulting to its media personalities. It’s a serious problem.

            Re: my personal issues with the Democrats I’ve been surprised by none of it, and have really voted for them in spite of those things. I think the biggest issues facing the country are resulting from a persistent failure to self-invest, and willingness to reinvent ourselves for a post-industrial global world in a manner that will reinforce all of the really good stuff about America. The Democrats at least are into self-investing and I’ll take that over what is really a lack of any alternative. In terms of the stuff I like less I find that Democratic voters by and large remain willing to enforce a corrective on the extremes in a way I don’t think I ever see in the GOP anymore. It is far from perfect but it definitely exists and gives me comfort, as does the fact that if polling is to be believed my own preferences are way closer to the Normie habitual D voters, who still greatly outnumber the Extremely Online ideologues.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to InMD says:

      The Republicans basically figured out that the rules of electoral politics eventually means the Democratic Party will be thrown out of office in an election. This means they don’t need to actually govern or moderate if they come across as too extreme because they will eventually win because of thermostatic elections.Report

      • Chip Daniels in reply to LeeEsq says:

        This, and that cultural grievance is so potent a motivator, it doesn’t require the reward of a prosperous economy or well managed governance.

        In fact, you could say “the worse the better” because any hardships of poor governance (like high gas prices) get translated as yet another grievance against The Other.Report

      • Pinky in reply to LeeEsq says:

        Can you support that position? It doesn’t seem obviously true.Report

  4. Jaybird says:

    There’s a sentiment among the more reactionary out there that “Republicans are just Democrats driving the speed limit”.

    Take a Democrat from X years ago. Make him a little taller, give him silver hair, and a better tie. Maybe give him some charisma. Tah-dah! You now have a Republican in the current year!

    The only real debate is how fair it is to say that X should be this big or should it, instead, be THIIIIS big. “It’s not fair to argue for Jimmy Carter. You should be arguing for Walter Mondale!” “How dare you? You should be arguing for Obama!”

    Mix and match, maybe. I want a 1976 Democrat for foreign policy, but a 1992 Democrat for domestic. And since I’m really conservative, a 1964 Democrat for constitutional issues.

    What are you hoping to conserve?

    Look at Mittler. He could have been the leftmost guy in the Republican room in the 80’s. A perfect Massachusetts Republican in the oughts. Today? Why, oh why aren’t more Republicans like him?Report

    • North in reply to Jaybird says:

      That sounds right, it’s the quality of “thinking” I’d expect from the reactionary right.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to North says:

        “What are you conserving?”, they’re fond of saying to the Republicans who are rehashes of the less-than-two-decades-ago Democrats. “Anything?”Report

        • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

          At the risk of appearing to defend the reactionary, I sort of understand the sentiment, even if it is playing out in a really unhealthy way. Conservatives are by definition not going to be liberals, and it’s foolish to expect them to be. To use your metaphor, they aren’t going to just acquiesce to a slower drive to a destination they never want to arrive at. Liberals should always expect to disagree with them on some pretty big issues and our government and way of life can function just fine with that being the case.

          Where we have a problem in the American context is when a critical mass start to feel disenfranchised by their own legitimate, generally rules-abiding avatar in the system. To be clear this is a problem conservatives need to solve, but they seem lost on how to pivot and I’m not seeing anyone stepping up with answers. The result is reactive, riding the tide of negative partisanship.Report

          • Philip H in reply to InMD says:

            To be clear this is a problem conservatives need to solve, but they seem lost on how to pivot and I’m not seeing anyone stepping up with answers. The result is reactive, riding the tide.

            The barrier to your analysis proving out is that Republican politicians don’t want to address, much less solve, this problem. They want to hold power, and they want to institutionalize that power to people like them. Just look at Florida – the people there passed a law designed to make Congressional districting less partisan, and the Republican-controlled Legislature initially presented the Governor with a redistricting plan that comported with the people’s wishes as expressed in the law. He vetoed it, and now they are going to let him do what he wants, because they believe that’s their path to retaining power. They don’t want to pivot – if they did they’d override his veto.Report

        • North in reply to Jaybird says:

          To which the rehash Republican could, easily, retort “I’m conserving a heck of a lot more than you with your half baked fantasies of turning back the clock to a time that never existed.” And then they cut taxes for the rich and fired their secretary for letting the gibbering reactionary into their office.Report

  5. Chip Daniels says:

    It isn’t possible to analyze the Republican party without noting its central feature which is the culture war.
    The base doesn’t leap to their feet and applaud at any declaration about taxes, or foreign policy or tariffs. The turnout isn’t juiced by references to infrastructure or monetary policy.

    As we’ve seen repeatedly, its all culture, all the time.

    And the thing about culture war is that it doesn’t tolerate abstract principles. If you are freaking out about transwomen teaching and want to put a stop to Critical Race Theory, there isn’t any lofty abstract political principle that helps you.

    Maybe you use the power of the Governor’s office to direct all public schools and universities to fire professors and ban books.
    Maybe you flex the power of private industry to eliminate private affirmative action. Or maybe you just have the legislature ban transwomen from women’s restrooms.

    But the point is, there isn’t some abstract principle at work because abstract principles by their very definition, apply to all citizens equally, whereas culture war by its very definition applies to different citizens differently.

    The whole point of culture war is that all people are not in fact, created equal. There is one culture which is acceptable, and all others are lesser.

    Or I guess you could that that hierarchy and inequality IS the abstract principle. Just not one that they like to acknowledge.Report

    • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      “The whole point of culture war is that all people are not in fact, created equal. There is one culture which is acceptable, and all others are lesser.”

      I think you made a big jump between “people” in the first sentence and “culture” in the second. It’s true that all people are created equal, but not all cultures. I wouldn’t say that only one is acceptable, although I have no problem with the US preserving the intellectual roots that led to its creation (and the modern understanding of equality). There’s no culture that’s lesser in every regard, but neither of us would be very proud to attend, say, a Faroe Islands dolphin slaughter.Report

    • Pat in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      This.

      This is also why Avi’s whole piece is just apologetics for people who are going to “reluctantly pull the lever for Trump” in 2024 because “the alternative is just too radical”

      In terms of policy that’s not going to stand up to even the slightest scrutiny but in culture war terms?

      Yeah. Shows which side you’re on, though.Report

  6. Pinky says:

    Avi – FYI, the article is behind a paywall, and while I can figure out that it had something to do with the 1920’s, you really didn’t spell it out before dropping Harding on us.Report