President Biden Announces 2024 Reelection Run, Pundits Hardest Hit

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  1. InMD says:

    I believe Biden may have been put on this planet for one reason, and that one reason may be to save us from the potentially irrevocable damage a return to a Trump presidency would do to the country. We can still correct. If Biden does win re-election, which I hope he does, it will be a sign that God still has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.Report

  2. Burt Likko says:

    My phone chirped loudly at me at three o’clock this morning. This is unusual, and it had the added benefit of waking me up since I was sleeping poorly anyway as per usual. So I rolled my groggy-but-no-longer-asleep self out of bed to see what was so damn important. There was exactly one (1) notification for me:

    President Biden announces bid for re-election.

    Really? Really??? For this you wake me up at three in the damn morning? Is this supposed to some surprise me? It’d be news if he didn’t do this. Ugh.

    Took me twenty minutes to fall asleep again. Need to change the setting on this silly thing…Report

  3. Saul Degraw says:

    I think it was all but certain that 2024 would be a Biden/Trump rematch as soon as the 2020 Presidential election was called for Biden. Anyone who thought otherwise was fooling themselves.Report

  4. Jaybird says:

    Any change in VP?

    What is Stacy Abrams up to?Report

    • North in reply to Jaybird says:

      I like Stacy Abrams and would seriously consider chiseling her face on a mountain somewhere but I do not see any significant lift to showing VP Harris the door to nominate Stacy Abrams. Lots of foofaraw and no benefit as far as I can see.Report

      • InMD in reply to North says:

        Concur. There is no margin for error. Can’t over think, can’t let anything go unforced. Kamala Harris’ weaknesses are unfortunate but I also don’t get the sense she’s a particularly polarizing figure, even when she has tried to go out on a limb in ways that might have made her more of one. Abrams nets no one new and maybe even loses a few given the high visibility of the elections in Georgia. Shes also lost state wide elections twice now in a place Biden may have to win.Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to InMD says:

          All electoral analysis is warped by Trump’s astonishingly steady base of support.
          If you voted for Trump in 2016, you almost certainly voted for him in 2020, and will certainly vote for him in 2024.

          There is no set of facts, no possible events which can change this.

          Whether Trump faces Biden, or Harris, or Newsom, or Abrams won’t have any statistically meaningful change in the outcome.

          The only difference between 2016/ 2020/ 2024 is the changing profile of the voters, and base enthusiasm and turnout.Report

          • InMD in reply to Chip Daniels says:

            This is just bad analysis, Chip. Abrams lost a statewide election in a toss up to lean red state that Warnock managed to win a second time. The GOP dropped multiple elections last cycle (including the Senate race in GA) by nominating obviously unfit people.

            Bottom line is candidates matter. We need to stop worrying so much about appearances and look for people with a record of coming through in the clutch, even where it’s ugly. Maybe especially where it’s ugly.Report

          • North in reply to Chip Daniels says:

            And the candidates kind of, ya know, influence the profile of the voters, the base enthusiasm, the turnout AND which way the low info/swing voters go Chip(I’m bemused you left that last one out). Could you imaging dear ol Bernie and his *wheeze* Revolution flipping Georgia in 2020? I can’t.Report

            • Chip Daniels in reply to North says:

              Downballot, candidates absolutely count for all the reasons you said.

              At the Presidential level, when Trump exists, his floor of support is around 47% of the electorate and all the states he won in 2020.

              Over the next year and a half, there is nothing that will change this. No gaffe, no outrageous comment, no national or international events will move the needle because to date, none have.

              The results in 2024 will be that either Trump or Biden wins a very narrow victory, coming down to just a few states like Arizona and Georgia.

              And even downballot, we won’t see remarkable swings like from 1960 to 1964 or from 1928 to 1932 (Narrow loss to blowout landslide).

              The reason for this is that the contested issues in our time are not issues upon which people can really change all that much.

              People might swing from “This governor is great for the economy! This governor terrible on the economy!” if they were really thinking of pocketbook issues, but they aren’t.

              So even in races for school board elections or zoning board commissioners, will hinge on “So, about those drag queens…”Report

              • North in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Sure, for the sake of argument, let’s agree that is Trump’s floor. I note that you aren’t saying it’s his ceiling. Are you really saying that if the Dems had nominated Harris, or Williamson, or Bernie, that the outcome of 2020 would have been the same? I grant alternative history is inherently nonsensical but I don’t follow your reasoning.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to North says:

                I’m probably overstating my case but…
                The actual outcome of Trump/Clinton and Trump/Biden was very close to the same.

                A few tens of thousand votes out of 150 million cast would turned either election.
                And 2024 will be that close as well.

                The vote is very much a referendum on Trump, not so much Biden.

                Sure, if Biden disappeared and was replaced by someone else, a certain percentage of the Dem base might be less, or more inspired to turn out. Let’s say, maybe 1 to 2 percent nationally maybe more in certain precincts..
                And in a razor thin election that makes the difference.

                But that’s just the point. It is going to be razor thin where even things like the weather, or behavior by the state election officials will be pivotal.

                What I’m aiming at is the horserace punditry that will spend the next eighteen months bloviating over campaign minutia and details and gossip but miss the fundamental that just a shade under 50% of the American electorate really, really, want to install a guy who promises to end the experiment with Republican democracy.

                They aren’t flocking to him because of a gaffe by Biden or the promise of a better economy or fears of crime or schools or anything else.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                And 2024 will be that close as well.

                I hope not.

                It would be nice to have him lose by a larger amount.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to North says:

                Trump’s floor and his ceiling should be the same.

                Nor do I believe 47%. That percentage includes both his base and the rest of the GOP. About 32% of the country thinks well of him, 54% dislike him.

                https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3648507-trumps-favorability-rating-drops-to-new-low-poll/Report

              • Satchmo in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Trump’s floor is 0%. That should be rather obvious — its not that people won’t vote for him, it is that he will be dead before attaining the nomination.

                This is also Biden’s floor, in a strange coincidence. However, actuarial odds of a ten year term are at an all time low, so… the likelihood of malfeasance is very low.

                I cannot say the same for the odds of Trump attaining the Republican Nomination. He picked a fight with the wrong people.Report

              • Marchmaine in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Team Red Floor is probably 45% +/- which just means that any idiot with the Team Red branding can likely command 40%+ of the vote no matter what.

                It’s also Team Blue’s floor too. In a binary first-past-the-post machine, the floors are very, very high.

                What we don’t really have good estimations on is how realignments / new parties are born… historically they tend to tumble in weird directions until it crystalizes into a new coalition/party that isn’t really definable until after it happens.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Marchmaine says:

                Trying to overthrow the gov takes us into new territory.Report

        • North in reply to InMD says:

          I agree, Harris seems just fine but hasn’t accomplished or done anything that impresses me. But, again, she seems just fine and she’s done a perfectly solid job as Veep. I love Abrams but her strength seems to be more in organizing than in political campaigning. Put her in charge of organizing something nationally or regionally instead. Or let her do what she wishes, Abrams deserves considerable deference but not adulation and Harris doesn’t deserve to be shown the door.Report

          • InMD in reply to North says:

            Pretty much. Maybe the only person that I could hear an argument for would be Michelle Obama. And even then I would still probably err against messing with it given the unknowns and the fact that she has no experience in elected office. Harris is the boring choice and I think boring is good, especially with Republicans going all in as the party of crazy.Report

          • Burt Likko in reply to North says:

            This is a really good perspective for evaluating Harris. The VP’s first job is “don’t eff anything up,” and the VP’s second job is “help politically, somehow; appeal to a group the President doesn’t appeal to so much.”

            Also, please be on time and nicely-dressed for all those overseas funerals and know how we want you to vote if the Senate splits right down the middle.

            She’s done all of those things.

            She ain’t Dick Cheney or even Al Gore, but she ain’t Dan Quayle or Spiro Agnew, either. She’s doing the job of VP’ing just fine. N.b. this does not necessarily mean she’s demonstrated she’s ready to run for the top spot.Report

            • InMD in reply to Burt Likko says:

              I actually think we all owe Dan Quayle a pinch of respect for apparently advising Mike Pence against cooperating with Trump’s plan on 1/6. History is weird.Report

              • Burt Likko in reply to InMD says:

                Concur. If getting advice from Quayle helped Pence find the fortitude within himself to stand up to pressure from Trump and his machinery, then let us honor that act of service.Report

              • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

                I assumed that the Quayle comment was just an offhand jab. He’s regarded as a good VP, no?Report

              • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

                I am completely serious about him deserving respect for doing the right thing when he got the call.

                I was still a kid when he was in office so don’t have strong views of his job as VP. My main recollection is the gaffes, the potato thing, etc. but I take for granted that isn’t a fair metric to judge by, especially when I’m here stumping for Joe Biden. I do hold a good bit of respect for the HW administration for successfully managing one of the most consequential geopolitical moments in modern history.Report

              • Burt Likko in reply to InMD says:

                I too am serious about offering respect for Quayle because of this moment. We will never know if Quayle was actually ready for the top job had something happened to Bush The Elder; gratefully for all involved we never had to find out. But I’ll allow that there is a very substantial possibility that Quayle would have done just fine had it ever come to that.Report

              • Marchmaine in reply to InMD says:

                Off track a bit, but it’s weird that the Potato episode defines Quayle. What really got to the heart of the matter was when Lloyd Bentsen ‘destroyed’ him in the VP debate after Quayle attempted to fight off the young/inexperienced criticism by comparing his length of service to Kennedy’s; which drew the now famous line: “Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy.”

                That’s a near perfect retort and it ‘won’ the debate; what’s interesting to me is that Quayle thought he was making a ‘factual’ statement about time in Govt. while Bentsen made it a ‘qualitative’ assessment about the man.

                Also, Quayle had been using this approach publicly to defend against the obvious question of his age/experience (he was 41)… so Bentsen knew that the question was going to come up from the moderators *and* what Quayle was going to imply. Apparently Bentsen used a similar line in practice — but as with all great rhetoric, he improved it to a devastating point when he delivered it live.

                Even though Bush/Quayle beat Dukakis/Bentsen decisively; that moment is what crystalized Quayle as the ingénue bambi of a VP.

                Jim Lehrer & Quayle talking about ‘the debate’ in 1999:
                https://www.pbs.org/newshour/spc/debatingourdestiny/interviews/quayle.html

                Rhetorically it’s an echo of Reagan’s epic line in ’79 vs. Mondale:

                “I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience.”

                But, delivered with the typical Reagan flair, the moderators, the audience, and Mondale himself all laughed.Report

              • John Puccio in reply to Marchmaine says:

                I mostly remember Quayle for his public feud with a fictional TV character.Report

              • Marchmaine in reply to John Puccio says:

                Anticipating Twitter… a man ahead of his time.Report

              • Which one, Bart Simpson or Murphy Brown? (The latter was weird; he was criticizing a character who had an unwanted pregnancy and chose to keep and raise the child.)Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Mike Schilling says:

                I believe that that misunderstands the criticism.

                He was criticizing the writers who wrote Murphy Brown to have a kid out of wedlock and that this would be okay.

                For what it’s worth, in this, the criticism was somewhat accurate. The kid stopped being an interesting plot point shortly thereafter and the show continued without the kiddo making much of an impact on Murphy Brown’s (fictional) life.Report

              • I was thinking Candace Bergen. Completely forgot about the Simpsons.

                So many stupid battles, so little time as VP.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Marchmaine says:

                As was pointed out at the time, when Reagan made that joke he had the same life expectancy as Mondale. When you get to your 70’s, you have already survived the common risks of, say, a heart attack or cancer in your 60’s, risks Mondale had yet to face.
                As it happened, however, Mondale did survive those risks. He and Reagan both died at 93.Report

              • Marchmaine in reply to CJColucci says:

                Yes, I remember how the underwriter’s statistical union won the spin battle… 🙂

                Dude, people laughed at the disarming quip and rhetorically that angle was effectively cut-off — not because of facts, but because everyone smiled at the joke if you tried to bring it up.

                In sales we call that inoculation you can’t deny the fact, so you bring it up first to ‘deal with it’ and then when the other team brings it up, the ‘it’s been dealt with’ narrative kicks in. I mean, Mondale was ONLY 51 at the time.

                Bentsen’s quip was equally effective… but in the opposite way; more of an infection, a meme even. It persists to this day. A1 quality rhetorical device.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Pinky says:

                By whom?Report

          • DensityDuck in reply to North says:

            “[Harris] seems just fine and she’s done a perfectly solid job as Veep.”

            Problem is, there were a lot of little girls out there who were really hoping for something beyond “just fine and a perfectly solid job”.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck says:

              Remember the baker on Sesame Street who would come out and yell something like “THREE BIRTHDAY CAKES!” and then fall down the stairs?

              If a VP can avoid doing that, the VP gets a B-. There’s not a *WHOLE* lot the VP can do to get above a B+.Report

            • North in reply to DensityDuck says:

              Who doesn’t want an epic politician, businessperson or superhero to emerge that looks like one’s self? Sure. But who can blame another person for not being epic? That is the kind of disapprobation one can only morally level at oneself.Report

      • John Puccio in reply to North says:

        Genuinely curious about the Left’s infatuation with Stacy Abrams. I just don’t get it.

        As a distant observer, she appears to be a grievance candidate who consistently loses elections.

        Also, how does Team Biden credibly attack Trump’s election denialism when his running mate has boisterously claimed her elections were “stolen”?

        Seems like unnecessary baggage to me.Report

        • Philip H in reply to John Puccio says:

          Stacy Abrams has been highly successful in organizing left leaning voters in a purple state to move the ball on Senate candidates twice now. She has lessons to teach and we want to learn.

          There’s also nuance to the denialism claims that Trump lacks. He keeps claiming – against a mountain of evidence – that fraudulent/illegal votes cost him his reelection. Abrams accused Kemp – who as secretary of state was overseeing his own election to a higher office at the time – of taking actions to suppress voter turn out. She never denied her defeat or refused to go along with the vote count he ultimately reported. Abrams was focused on access, and her refusal to concede was aimed at that.

          That aside she is not getting VP Harris job anytime soon.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

            The thing that folks seem to misremember is that Biden offered Abrams the VP position.

            He wanted to announce something like “It’s going to be Biden/Abrams!” when there were still a half dozen people in the race and she declined saying “I’m going to wait to see who the primary picks.” Lemme see if I can find the statement…

            Ah. Here’s the story that Buzzfeed News (rip) ran at the time:

            A few short months later, after the chaff had been blown away and Biden was going to be the nominee, she pointed out that, yep, she was open to being the VP pick.

            Hello? Hello? I SAID I AM OPEN TO BEING THE VP PICK!!! HELLO???Report

          • John Puccio in reply to Philip H says:

            I don’t know. I mean, I’ll take your word for it, but how do give her credit for senate candidate success while ignoring her own failure as a candidate in those elections? Tickets were split and not in her favor.

            I don’t think the nuance you lay out on the difference of election denial is something that will be successfully communicated to non-partisans. But agree, I don’t see her replacing Harris. Someone else might, but not her.Report

            • Philip H in reply to John Puccio says:

              The initial Senate special election wins were in 2020 – two years after she lost to Kemp the first time. One would assume she learned a few things in that time as did her organization. It may also be true that she’s not a good candidate but a great organizer.Report

        • Jesse in reply to John Puccio says:

          I’m a left-leaning person who thinks Abrams is kind of overrated. If Abrams had been able to get as much black support as Hillary Clinton did in either of her runs for Governor, she’d be Governor right now.

          Well, she does seem to be an effective organizer, a lot of the shift in Georgia is happening by just younger people being able to vote, and lots of left-leaning voters moving to Atlanta.

          She got a lot of hype in 2018 for looking like she did something singular in Georgia, but 2020 & 2022 proved that actually, the state was already shifting.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to Jaybird says:

      Because middle-aged women of color are probably the closest thing the Democratic Party has to a base and Biden can’t be seen as dumping the first woman of color to reach the Vice Presidency even if it disappoints the Kamala is a Cop libertarian bros who fit into the meme about liking to argue from a position of devil’s advocate because nothing hurts them because they are middle-class white guys.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        The argument that she may not be bringing a whole bunch but kicking her to the curb will have a dear cost is one that makes sense.

        We’ll see who Trump allows to latch onto him and see if the VP debate moves opinion so much as a point.Report

        • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

          IIRC the Harris Pence debate was a big snoozer. I didn’t even remember if it happened in light of the bizarre spectacle the Biden Trump debate was. I googled it and the big news coming out seems to have been: (i) that it was traditional and dull especially compared to the craziness of the top of the ticket debate and (ii) at one point a fly landed on Mike Pence’s head.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

            Yeah, the VP is supposed to be the “attack dog” or something like that and Harris might do well in that role against (insert VP here) because I doubt that (insert VP here) will come across as anything but demure when compared to Trump.

            (We might get a handful of folks saying “even worse than Trump” but, like with DeSantis, their hearts won’t be in it.)Report

          • Burt Likko in reply to InMD says:

            But the fly survived!Report

          • Satchmo in reply to InMD says:

            The most startling part of the Harris Pence debate was in the aftermath, when a newspaper broke blackout to print “Pence is gravely ill with COVID19.” This was an unforced error.

            There’s a reason why there weren’t any more debates after the Vice Presidential.Report

  5. LeeEsq says:

    At least we don’t have to waste time with the spectacles of primaries.Report

  6. LeeEsq says:

    People who should know better are begging for somebody to primary Biden. Their key arguments seem to be that Biden is not good on their key pet issue and this issue is that most important issue, a human rights travesty if it doesn’t happen, and, these are all white people in their late thirties and above bringing up this point, Biden is a white man who doesn’t represent today’s woke intersectional diverse youth. “And a pony” and the fantasies that exists in the heads of some Democratic voters are going to be the death of us.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to LeeEsq says:

      Here’s Marianne Williamson:

      Then, as the day went by, politician after pundit after politician lined up to endorse the president. I admit I was pretty sad to see Bernie Sanders not only announce he would not be running and that he endorses Biden, but that he “discourages any other high-visibility progressives from doing so either.”

      My sadness gave way pretty quickly, however, to an even deeper commitment to keep walking in the direction I’ve been walking.

      It’s pretty astonishing to me the way people fall in line in a situation like this. It’s a primary, for God’s sake! No one is spoiler here! It’s a primary. But be that as it may, as my mother used to say…

      Someone needs to take a stand for universal health care. Someone needs to take a stand for cancelling the entire college loan debt. Someone needs to take a stand for tuition free college (which we had until the 1960’s). Someone needs to take a stand for free childcare. Someone needs to take a stand for paid family leave and guaranteed sick pay. Someone needs to take a stand for a guaranteed livable wage.

      With 39% of Americans now reporting they skip meals in order to pay for rent, someone needs to take a stand for an economic u-turn in America.

      The positions I support are considered moderate in every other advanced democracy, and they should be in ours as well.

      Report

      • North in reply to Jaybird says:

        I wonder if the voices in Ms. Williamson’s head narrated that statement for her?Report

        • Jaybird in reply to North says:

          Chicks. What can you do?

          But the part about “The positions I support are considered moderate in every other advanced democracy, and they should be in ours as well” is a fairly boilerplate lefty position and in the absence of Bernie acting like Bernie, we’re going to have Williamson acting like Williamson.

          There isn’t just a Populist right out there that is thirsty for Populism. (Heck, Trump tapped into this in 2016 to the surprise of hella people.)

          There’s a Populist left. And the size of it ain’t getting smaller, year-to-year.Report

          • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird says:

            People don’t want to confront the meaning of “Florida voted for Trump and voted for a minimum-wage increase”.Report

            • Jesse in reply to DensityDuck says:

              I mean, it’s not that complicated – people are fine with left-leaning economics, they just don’t want to vote for the party that’s allied with the Other in their view, whether the Other is immigrants, black people, feminists, LGBT folks, or whomever the Other is to that specific voter.

              Could be as simple as their annoying wine Mom cousin or sister.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jesse says:

                Here’s David Atkins talking about this very thing:
                https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651281534702460928

                Tl;Dr is that both the liberal and conservative voters are abandoning the economic conservative side of the axis, gravitating to the economic liberal side.

                But the “Conservative party” voters are increasingly clustering at the socially liberal end of the axis.

                The takeaway from his analysis is that while there are plenty of “conservative party” voters occupying the economic liberal positions, they don’t place much priority on those positions; They place a lot more priority on the social positions.

                So even if they prefer Social Security, they will happily vote for someone who plans to destroy it, if it means satisfying their social priorities like hurting drag queens.Report

              • DensityDuck in reply to Jesse says:

                (This also explains why conservative Blacks continue to vote Democrat.)Report

              • Jesse in reply to DensityDuck says:

                Oh sure, a Charlie Baker/Larry Hogan-led GOP could rule the US for generations, much like center-right parties have ruled Europe for most of the past 50 years, but the Right wants it allReport

          • North in reply to Jaybird says:

            I doubt it has anything to do with her gender. She likely borrowed them from Yang.Report

    • North in reply to LeeEsq says:

      It’s ok Lee, it’s just the internet. It’s an “angels dancing on the head of pins” question as to whether the true libertarians or true leftists could fill more school busses but no one doubts the number of busses filled would not be particularly large.Report

  7. DensityDuck says:

    “We GOTTA nominate Biden, we GOTTA, he’s ELECTABLE, and right now defeating Trump is the most important thing! We can worry about social progress later, when we’re safe.”

    (four years pass)

    “Primary Biden? Why rock the boat? Let’s just stick with a known quantity. He’s got a proven track record of not really causing problems, and do you want to wreck that now? Let’s just wait four more years for everything to settle down and then we’ll see about changing things…”Report

  8. Marchmaine says:

    Most of the Biden won’t/can’t/shouldn’t run in 2024 came from the Left of Biden. I don’t think there was much doubt that as long as Biden wanted to run, he’d run.

    That said, I’ll reiterate that he’s out of gas. Might be there’s just enough in the tank to beat Trump Redux, but throw in any sort of confounding factor and I don’t think he’s got the juice to overcome it. I’m not saying the Dems have a better choice; but the hot-house campaign from your basement in 2020 isn’t going to repeat itself. There’s a lot of Risk in a Biden campaign.Report

    • North in reply to Marchmaine says:

      Yes, and since the non-left part of the Democratic Party is both the party’s center of gravity policy wise AND the overwhelming majority of its actual voting constituency Biden has a pretty good lock on the nomination.
      I don’t doubt Joe is tired but he ostensibly leaped into the race due to Trump and it looks like Trump is going to be in the race again.
      Perhaps there’s risk in Biden running again, there’s risk in everything, but the risk of trying to replace Biden is considerably greater and the Democratic party has become a rather (lowercase c) conservative party.Report