Comment Rescue: Mike & The Police
> Absolute power corrupts absolutely –
> or is it more complicated than that?
It’s more complicated than that.
Social organizations of any type represent aggregated power. This is true whether you’re talking about a tribe in pre-history Europe, a community organization in the modern first world, a government, or an international corporation.
Like the man said, you rob banks because that’s where the money is. If you desire power (for whatever reason; lots of people want power for all sorts of morally justifiable reasons), you seek out positions in social organizations, because those organizations can allow you to gain more power through aggregation than you yourself currently possess.
Since the primal objectives of social organizations are usually best served when a motivated leader is providing good leadership, and since those two things are correlated with people who are willing to use aggregated power and possess the skills to apply it effectively, all social organizations have at least a subtle (if not downright celebrated) tendency to promote those who are successful in the use of power to leadership positions, where they have more power.
“(S)he’s a jerk, but (s)he gets things done and (s)he wants the job” is something that I’ve heard in all sorts of contexts. It’s a relatively cheap and easy way to make a difficult decision about putting people into positions of any sort of authority. This is a feedback cycle.
There is an embedded exception scenario: anyone who seeks power for the sake of power can very easily subsume that desire and present themselves as someone who seeks power because they are the best equipped to leverage it for the organization’s benefit… until they get enough of that power that their personal level of power-addiction is sated, and they have enough to stave off attempts to remove that power.
In the case of law enforcement officials, the entry condition is already one of enormous power. There are thousands of ways that a petty despot can get off on being a beat cop, alone. If they’re reasonably clever about it (side note: you don’t have to be terribly intelligent to be clever), you can milk that position for quite some time without getting caught. Since we generally have created a society where we believe we need a large number of law enforcement officials, we have a huge pressure to hire more bodies.
This is closely related to the problem of education and teacher competency: if you have a need for 100,000 teachers or cops, but only 40,000 people are particularly suited for those two jobs, you’re going to have 60,000 marginally-good-to-outright-bad teachers and cops. There isn’t much you can do about that dynamic, except “reduce your need for those positions” or “raise both your standards and your payscale to much higher levels so that you select both for more bodies and better trained ones”, which is extremely expensive. Outside of reducing the population you’re trying to educate or police, this is difficult to do.
Couple those last two paragraphs together and you get a case where someone who might be a good police officer (displays the physical presence of confidence and command, assumes authority easily) is going to be difficult to differentiate between someone who might be a bad cop (those two things but adding “gets off on using that power in inappropriate ways”)… and you have organizational pressures demanding that you hire people to fill spots… and since you’re strapped for cash, it’s hard to justify spending your strapped resources on auditing your beat cops.
One bad cop out of a hundred is one bad cop too many, just about anyone would agree. But one bad cop out of a hundred is probably an unrealistic goal unless you want to spend gobs and gobs more money on police than you already do.
If one could recruit the reasonably good people who enter the Mafia/street-gangs, one might double ones’ pool of recruits.Report
Right now, they’re already recruiting the people who would have been Mafia or Pinktertons thugs and goons.
What, you don’t believe it? Look at the abuses by police recently in the streets, and look at all the right wing retard squads salivating over the idea of watching peaceful protesters take a police goon squad baton to the head.Report
Perhaps that’s less about enjoying police violence and more about not liking protestors.Report
No, it’s a hallmark of the right wing retard squads. The same ones who showed up with “we came unarmed this time” posters right next to the racist birther posters at last week’s Tea Tard rally downtown.Report
Interestingly, my first band was almost called ‘Mike & The Police’. Then we heard about Sting and those fellas so we changed it to ‘Mike and the Authoritarian Thugs’.Report
Was Mike and Mechanics taken already?Report
“‘Mike and the Authoritarian Thugs”
I’d pay to see that band.Report
You’re missing a third option beyond “have fewer people in the job” or “increase standards and compensation” in both cases: Mitigate the potential damage caused by bad cops or bad teachers by granting them less, and less risky types of, power to begin with.
Increasing standards doesn’t necessarily require significant increases in compensation, either. Additional independent oversight can serve the same function.Report
@Darren
“Mitigate the potential damage caused by bad cops or bad teachers by granting them less, and less risky types of, power to begin with.
Is that procedural or the actual tools they use to do their job?Report
Both.
De-militarizing the police, for example. Not having SWAT teams doing tactical raids to serve drug warrants would involve both a change in police procedure and change the tools used to perform the job.
Team teaching and peer review would be a similar example in education.Report
> Not having SWAT teams doing tactical
> raids to serve drug warrants would involve
> both a change in police procedure and
> change the tools used to perform the job.
Drug crimes are an issue all in and of themselves.
Still, if you’re serving a warrant on a crack house, a tactical raid is probably a good idea. If you’re serving a warrant on an apartment with a lone dealer, it’s massive overkill.
This is more a case of, “you’re using this tactic as a default instead of as an exigent circumstances procedure”… and less of a “you should never do this”, right?
Judging between the two isn’t trivial. You need oversight.
How many drug raids are performed on a daily basis in the U.S.? How much time in review do you suggest the police ought to spend on deciding whether or not a given case is probably exigent?
Do you think this will represent a major cost? (I do). Now, we can argue that we ought to spend that money regardless, but the practical reality is that budgets are being *cut*, not expanded.Report
I’m trying to wrap my head around this and come out the other end with a finite list of easily accomplished policies, and I’m getting nowhere.
Demilitarizing the police is a pretty fuzzy concept. I’m not actually certain what it means.
Expound?
Team teaching and peer review would both be interesting ideas. Requiring that you hire more teachers, though. If you already can’t get a preponderance of good quality teachers, aren’t you just injecting a bunch of bad teachers into the good teachers’ experience via peer review and team teaching?
Isn’t that… worse?Report
“Demilitarizing the police is a pretty fuzzy concept. I’m not actually certain what it means.”
No SWAT teams for any berg under 100K and no tanks (aka APC’s) for anyone. No use of SWAT teams for any purpose other than someone has someone else at gunpoint. (or other means of deadly force). No more transfers of military surplus gear to police departments.Report
I remember this and this.
North Hollywood has a population of 77,848. Grandby has a population of 1,663. Neither of them hits your 100,000 mark. I guess you get this guy, though.
Is there a particular reason you chose it?
> No use of SWAT teams for any purpose
> other than someone has someone else
> at gunpoint.
I have no reliable statistics to report how often SWAT teams are called out for the other purposes. Granted it happens, but I don’t think it happens with the frequency that other misuse of police authority occurs.
> No more transfers of military surplus
> gear to police departments.
I think this is also somewhat besides the point. A bad cop with a Glock and a badge is just as big of a problem as a bad cop with an M-16.
Now, if you want to talk about training, that’s something else. But in that case it’s not so much a matter of militarism.Report
North Hollywood is a district of L.A., not an independent city, so fits just fine under the “100k” rule.
It also was a rare enough event that it leaps readily to mind 14 years later. Structuring our nation’s police forces around once-in-a-generation events like this is a Bad Idea.
And yes, SWAT team usage has gone up dramatically over time, and for more and more routine tasks:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/03/AR2006020302389_pf.html
http://www.thesentinel.com/pgs/news/SWAT-team-tactics-Prince-George-s-CountyReport
> It also was a rare enough event that it
> leaps readily to mind 14 years later.
So granted.
> Structuring our nation’s police forces
> around once-in-a-generation events
> like this is a Bad Idea.
Also, agreed.
We should move this part of the discussion over to Will’s post, as it’s only tangential to the point I was making above.Report
100K is completely arbitrary; as it is, I’d rather just let go on exceeding rare events (like the North Hollywood bank robbery or 9/11) than make the the baseline for the response requirements that the government builds it capabilities around. As this may not be politically feasible, it would still be good governance for a single multi-jurisdictional unit for all of the greater LA area.
In any case, what Darren said about Balko. Ten years of reading Radley has turned my military veteran, law &order type, notional Republican self into a dirty hippie / NWA lyric aficionado when it comes to police departments.Report
Kolohe hit on the major points I was getting at with police de-militarization, and Radley Balko does sterling work in this area if you’re interested.
Since 9/11 state and local police agencies have been increasingly using military equipment and tactics as routine parts of their job, which puts both civilians and cops at increased risk of injury or death.
In education, peer review doesn’t require adding any teachers, just re-tasking the ones that we already have. Team teaching can require an increased number of bodies, depending on how it’s implemented (some districts have experimented with combining classes and having multiple teachers work with a larger group of students, but I’m not sure what the results were, or if they were definitive).
Also specific to education, I strongly suspect that we could attract more good teachers by changing things other than their pay rate. Having known a fair number of teachers, pay is usually somewhere around #3 or #4 on their list of standard complaints. Solving the big ones related to autonomy and administration may be more bang for the buck than just throwing more money at salaries.Report
> In education, peer review doesn’t require
> adding any teachers, just re-tasking the
> ones that we already have.
Wait. What?
If you have a full time employee and suddenly you demand that they participate in peer review, they are now a full time employee with peer review duties. Something has to give somewhere.Report
Yes, this does imply that they spend their time differently. I’ll admit to not being familiar with all the intimate details of the various peer review experiments that have shown promise, but I vaguely remember that they carved the time for peer preparation and review out of solo class prep and continuing education hours.Report
It’s interesting to note that at least in NYC shooting by police were at a record low in 2010.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-01-12/news/27087208_1_police-involved-shootings-police-officers-cops-shot
As a corollary fatal shootings of the police are at a 20-year high.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-07-20-police-shooting-deaths-gunfire-ambushes-budget-cuts_n.htm
This might explain some of the tactical changes people are complaining about in these comments.Report