Napoleon And The Spasmodic Lamb Chop of Destiny

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his food writing website Yonder and Home. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast. Subscribe to Andrew's Heard Tell SubStack for free here:

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  1. Alysia Ames
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    I was really looking forward to seeing this! How disappointing.Report

  2. Greg in Ak
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    Scott has always been meh with stories and characters. Great visually of course. I mean Scott thought Deckard was a replicant in Blade Runner…..just crazy pants stuff with no idea.Report

  3. John Puccio
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    Great closing paragraph! At least the film provided you the joy of writing that closer…

    Disappointed in the reviews. Was looking forward to seeing it. Now, not so much.

    Felt similarly about Oppenheimer. Really wanted to love it and absolutely did not. (I know I’m in the minority).

    Biopics are tough. The best of somewhat recent memory (for me) was Scorcese’s The Aviator. Brilliant and balanced portrayal of “the great man”.Report

  4. Burt Likko
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    Saw it last night. My initial impression was being overwhelmed by the spectacle of the battles and the palaces and the costumes. Scott is very good with those sorts of things — you can dig in to a Ridley Scott film frame by frame on your Blu-Ray and zoom in and find fantastic details. (My favorite example of this is the inscription on the hilt of Oliver Platt’s ceremonial sword in Gladiator.) But I largely agree with this review and Rufus’, upon reflection. The story lacked focus.

    They could have narrow-focused on Napoleon’s military prowess — go on a walk with him from Austerlitz to Waterloo. They could have told an epic love story.* They could have told a story of a man who was ultimately destroyed by his own narcissism, the same force that built him up.** They could have done a cradle-to-grave biopic that taught us new facets of Napoleon’s life the way, say, Rocket Man taught us not-so-well-known things about Elton John. Instead they tried to do all of these things and didn’t really succeed at doing any of them.

    It’s a big movie, technically well-made. It’s too big for its own good.

    * Narrow-focus on The Hundred Days. Napoleon returns from Elba, re-takes power. Weave in flashbacks of their tumultuous relationship. Only after hastily assembling the greatest army France has yet fielded does he learn that the great love of his life has died. Inconsolate, distracted, and questioning the value of his own life with her gone, he is dashed to destruction at Waterloo. There’s a story for you.

    ** And you wouldn’t even have to say a word about any modern cognates to such a story.Report

    • Marchmaine in reply to Burt Likko
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      I haven’t seen it, but I can see where these are exactly the traps one would fall into with this material.

      Obviously the cure is for Hollywood to promise more money to do it right in a 4-9 movie sequence… the Napoleonic Cinematic Universe. I mean, not that *I’d* pick Napoleon as my first choice… but if you do pick him, then lean in and do it right!

      I’m only half joking… you can decide which half, though.Report

      • InMD in reply to Marchmaine
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        I haven’t seen it yet either but I think that goes in the opposite direction, and the cinematic universes may well be whats killed the kind of efficient storytelling and film making necessary to be a good epic blockbuster. The best version of a Napolean movie would take its cues from, I dunno, Braveheart.Report

        • Marchmaine in reply to InMD
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          Yes, it definitely goes in the opposite direction. I mean, I completely get the short term business aversion to the concept… but I’ll see your Marvel saturation bet and raise it with an unfulfilled Master and Commander demand.

          To mitigate the financial risk, I’d have given Sir Ridley money to do ‘Napoleon Arises: Corsica to Italy” Or, maybe ‘Napoleon and Josephine’ with no Military History other than teasers. Just to manage the risk and see if there’s an appetite for more.

          Save Sir Ridley from himself.

          I don’t think Braveheart is the cure for what ails Hollywood, though; at least not for subject matter like this.Report

          • InMD in reply to Marchmaine
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            Heh, my dad would be right out there with you demanding more Master and Commander. But would that approach really have saved Scott from himself? I mentioned on Rufus’ review that he is also out there damaging franchises he started with stuff like Prometheus and Alien Covenant.

            I know this is veering into old man yells at cloud territory but I can’t be the only one thats noticed we seem to have lost the art of the self contained film that tells a big story from beginning to satisfying conclusion. That’s not all that ails Hollywood but it’s swiftly becoming my biggest peeve.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Marchmaine
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        Kubrick was considering doing a Napoleon movie.

        He had index cards covering *EVERY* *DAY* of what Napoleon was doing during certain tumultuous years.

        Something for Dream’s library, I guess.Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to Burt Likko
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      …you can dig in to a Ridley Scott film frame by frame on your Blu-Ray and zoom in and find fantastic details.

      Random questions and related thoughts…

      Anyone know if the movie was shot on film, or video? How much of that Ridley-level detail is CGI this time? I suppose the answers to both can probably be inferred from deep in the credits.

      The city has finally made its fiber internet access service (a full gig each way) available at my physical address, so I’m rethinking my video service as well. I’ve got Amazon Prime for other reasons so I set things up to stream Thursday Night Football to the 4K TV over wired Ethernet (not WiFi). Amazon is clearly delivering a higher quality image than any of the networks (at least, as the network images are delivered over Comcast digital video). I knew Amazon was using high dynamic range (HDR) so the colors and contrast are better. I’m impressed more by the level of detail coming through. Grass texture doesn’t smear out when the camera pans. Anyone shown in a head-and-shoulders shot has skin texture (pores, whiskers, little wrinkles, etc). You can watch a camera operator struggle to keep someone within a shallow depth-of-field focus. I haven’t gotten close enough to see if I can read the back of the coaches’ big play sheets, but it feels like I ought to be able to.Report

      • Andrew Donaldson in reply to Michael Cain
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        I read they did quite a bit of physical and the CGI used isn’t out of place or offensive, and I am someone who despises CGI of the modern era. Even things that were clearly an FXs shot, like shooting grapeshot into a mob of civilians, its well done and seemless to the story. I had a lot of issues with the film but the CGI and cinematography were not an issue for me.Report

  5. Jaybird
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    One of the takes of the movie that I saw on twitter said something to the effect of “this guy managed to get entire armies to beg to enlist under him and they tried to take over the world multiple times… I don’t know how the guy in this movie could have gotten people to come with him to lunch”.

    I’d kinda like to see a movie about the guy who almost took over the world a couple of times.Report

    • Burt Likko in reply to Jaybird
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      They tried. There’s a scene where he’s handing out nuts or chocolate or something to troops as they walk by him. There’s a scene where he does the Henry V thing of rallying his troops on horseback right before battle. There’s a scene during the Hundred Days where he talks a detachment of Royalist troops pointing guns at him into switching sides and supporting him, but by then you’ve either bought into him as a charismatic leader of fighting men, or you’re as mystified as the reviewer you’re quoting.

      That’s not to say there aren’t interesting personality shifts! There are! But they have to do with Josephine, which is why I think this movie is trying hardest to be a love story.Report

  6. Saul Degraw
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    Ridley Scott apparently is giving out interviews where he mocks people with concerns on historical accuracy. As was noted in Rufus F. post, the real Napoleon was extremely charismatic and even his enemies and critics called him a charmer.Report

    • Andrew Donaldson in reply to Saul Degraw
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      I don’t get too twisted in the “historical accuracy” debate. It’s a film, the best you do its not going to be close. Having said that, there are a few really egregiously bad things especially in the Waterloo conclusion that are just eye-rolling bad. I’m for cinematic license, but if you want forgiveness and leeway, better make a good film first to defend from.Report

  7. DensityDuck
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    I think Ridley Scott just really wanted to film “Gladiator” again but Russell Crowe wasn’t interested and Oliver Reed was unavailable, so he had to make do.Report

  8. Rufus F.
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    I agree with all of this. I was tempted to get into all of the historical fudging, but decided it might get a little dull. I have to say this is one of those occasions where a movie has a much longer cut- about four hours- and everyone seems to wish they saw that one! Maybe we’ll all be pleasantly surprised when the inevitable “special edition” DVD comes out and the movie isn’t so rushed.Report

  9. Jaybird
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    Part of the problem is that historical epics now live in the shadow of Oppenheimer.

    They showed Oppy, warts and all, and they showed him succeed in some stuff and fail in others. You left the movie feeling like you learned something about what really happened.

    It was based on American Prometheus and, golly, that source material was pretty dang strong.

    Napoleon? Well, he almost conquered the world but he fell for the wrong chick. And you don’t need source material to tell *THAT* story. You can wing it. Have him shoot the pyramids!Report

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