Hayek, In Practice

Russell Michaels

Russell is inside his own mind, a comfortable yet silly place. He is also on Twitter.

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  1. Pinky says:

    “Banning the world’s oldest profession hasn’t led to less prostitution, has it?”

    It likely has. It’d be hard to demonstrate though. I wouldn’t trust a cross-sectional analysis, because a lot of what happens in Vegas or Amsterdam isn’t the locals. And it’d be hard to get accurate reporting anywhere it’s illegal.Report

  2. Chip Daniels says:

    The collapse of Communism left two groups of people bereft of a raison d’ etre.
    One, the Communists, and two, the free market libertarians.

    Without the foil of someone arguing for central state planning, “Central State Planning Doesn’t Work!” seems a bit odd.

    The evidence we have from the actual working nations since WWII, is that mixed economies containing some centrally planned features like banking regulation and social safety nets, along with robust private property rights and markets, seem to deliver the optimum level of both freedom and prosperity.

    This empirical evidence is really the lethal kill shot to the High Concept political theories which postulate a preset formula for utopia.Report

    • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      I consider libertarianism to be a critique, the same as I do all the DEI stuff. You don’t want to build a structure based on it, but it’s prudent to consider what it would say about a structure before you build it.Report

      • Oscar Gordon in reply to Pinky says:

        Critique, I like that.

        Yes, we need banking regulations. Do we need that banking regulation? Have you really thought through the incentives at play now, and how this will impact them? Have you gamed out the unintended consequences? Or are you just passing it for political gain?Report

        • 2008 demonstrated what happens when financial types are allowed to run wild, and that house of cards was built on something as concrete as home mortgages. Now there are funds based on Bitcoin. God help us.Report

          • Oscar Gordon in reply to Mike Schilling says:

            Sure, but what is the right way to do it that sets up the incentives you need, and gets the result you want?

            Too often, IMHO, we get so caught up in a mood to find ways to hang the bastards, that we forget that the point isn’t to hang them, but to encourage them to behave.Report

      • North in reply to Pinky says:

        Dude! That’s my approach to libertarianism as well. Enormously useful as a razor but as a core governing philosophy; doesn’t take long before you end up groaning and talking about how libertarians need to abolish the existing electorate and select a new one.Report

        • Pinky in reply to North says:

          Remember the Segway? The device that was going to revolutionize transportation? After missing multiple sales goals, the company sold out to a British investor, who later died in a Segway accident.

          Always hear out the crank, the one guy who says that something won’t work. He may not always be right, but sit down with him for 10 minutes and consider what he has to say. Yeah, he might tell you that no one wants a movie based on a Disney World pirate ride, but he’s also going to tell you that that little machine can’t be doing 200 blood tests.Report

          • Oscar Gordon in reply to Pinky says:

            The Segway may have missed, but the technology behind it, that’s all over the place.Report

            • Pinky in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

              I’ve been impressed by all the pay-as-you-go scooters I’ve seen. There’s clearly some market potential. And I’d guess a lot of drone technology is similar to the Segway. But this is why we need critiques – or cranks. The Segway people didn’t need another design team, they needed one guy to roll his eyes at “almost perfectly safe”.Report

              • Glyph in reply to Pinky says:

                The guy rode it off a cliff into a river. That’s really got nothing to do with the design of the vehicle, (which I admit was unappealing to the public for other reasons) and everything to do with the driver.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Glyph says:

                Not design in this case, but maybe speed, unless he would have walked off a cliff.

                But the company owner aside, saying that a product is almost perfectly safe causes two problems: some people will take it as a challenge, and some people will let their guard down. The latter is even more of a problem because the movement of the Segway and the rider can be unfamiliar.Report

              • Glyph in reply to Pinky says:

                He was riding around the edge of a cliff, and he messed up. If he had mountain-biked off a cliff, I doubt we’d blame the design of the bicycle. If he’d been hiking and fallen off the cliff, we wouldn’t blame the design of his shoes.

                From a marketing perspective, it turns out no one needed a mobile podium; but the fact that the guy died on one, in the fashion he did, is irrelevant to the product design.

                If Elon Musk dies tomorrow because he speeds, loses control, and rams his Tesla into a tree: barring mechanical failure or some other factor, that’s on Musk, not the car.Report

            • Glyph in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

              I ride one of its offspring every day! (OneWheel).Report

              • Michael Cain in reply to Glyph says:

                Living in a college town now, I see one of those more days than not. I want one. OTOH, I have reached an age where balance isn’t what it used to be and I heal so much more slowly. The scarring/hyperpigmentation on the back of my hands from a bicycle fall eight weeks ago looks like it will take a year to finish healing properly.

                Some days I absolutely hate being an oldster.Report

              • Glyph in reply to Michael Cain says:

                It’s a TON of fun, very addictive. I’ve been doing it for about 4 years, I have three boards (a Plus, which I started on, and 2 XRs). If you’ve surfed or snowboarded, the mechanics are very similar (kind of a cross between the two). I basically “surf” everywhere I go.

                It’s opened up my not-pedestrian-friendly and no-real-public-transit city to me in a way I would never have guessed – it makes my “city” into my “town”. I use it like I would a bike and use my car a LOT less, since this suffices for any short jaunts or errands with no parking needed, plus it makes getting there fun.

                But yeah, it’s still a board sport and not without risk – I’m geared up and I’ve had two serious spills over about 10,000 miles, plus a couple minor ones with no injury. At about 250 miles I fractured my humeral ball, and the shoulder then froze on me – took about 6 months to get full motion back. And not long ago I took a divot out of the side of my hand about the diameter and depth of three stacked nickels, took forever to heal because it was just a huge missing chunk on a place where my hand flexes, so it wouldn’t stay closed. It’s STILL tender there, where the scarring is. I definitely don’t heal as fast as I used to either.

                But in terms of overall risk – if you’re geared up and riding within your and its capabilities, I’d call it slightly more dangerous than a bike – but only slightly. All my friends who bike a lot have had metal-pinned elbows, shattered collarbones, broken arms, etc. too – and that’s not counting the guy who got hit by and pinned under an SUV and nearly died.

                I was getting ready to ride with two friends who also ride them, and as we were gearing up, we watched a bicyclist hit a raised section of sidewalk and go ass-over-teakettle over his handlebars.

                We think bikes are “safe” because we grew up with them, been riding them since we were kids…but they ain’t all THAT safe. 😉Report

              • Brandon Berg in reply to Glyph says:

                How fast does it go, relative to walking?Report

              • Glyph in reply to Brandon Berg says:

                Faster than it needs to. A skilled, light rider with excellent balance and reaction time can cruise 25 MPH, which is really fast for something you’re standing on, and about as fast as an amateur bicyclist really pumping along on a 10-speed or whatever (a pro cyclist on a special bike can go closer to 45). I tend to cruise between 17-19 MPH because at that speed there’s still some motor headroom to assist me if things get dicey (you hit an unexpected dip/bump, wind suddenly shifts, etc.) Once you get above 19 MPH (which is what the company calls “max speed”, though there’s no way to actually enforce this on the rider on a single-wheeled self-balancing device because of physics; the rider must take active measures to rebalance and slow down, which the board warns you to do via pushing its nose up at you when it’s running out of torque safety margin) balance becomes 100% your responsibility; the board can no longer be depended on to assist you, and if you make any small error or conditions suddenly change on you, you’re gonna have a bad day.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Pinky says:

        A lot of people take libertarianism literally rather than seriously though. They seem to believe that it will be so awesome once implemented, all other competing ideologies will just disappear.Report

  3. Brandon Berg says:

    The US doesn’t have the vast majority of the world’s billionaires. It doesn’t even have a simple majority. It has a bit over 25%. It doesn’t even have the most billionaires per capita. Hong Kong has over 4 times more billionaires per capita. Switzerland and Singapore have more than twice as many per capita. Norway and Sweden have more billionaires per capita than the US (Trollface in Bernie Sanders’ general direction).Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Brandon Berg says:

      Interestingly, the US has more than 50% more millionaires per capita than Norway and Sweden, despite having fewer billionaires.

      Scandinavian tax systems tend to make it easy to keep and grow wealth once you have it, but the absolutely brutal taxes on upper-middle-class incomes make it difficult to build wealth from labor income.Report

  4. Banning the world’s oldest profession hasn’t led to less prostitution, has it?

    But taxing it would, because of supply and demand? This seems incorrect.Report

  5. CJColucci says:

    It’s Salma, not Selma.Report

  6. LeeEsq says:

    Going to agree with Pinky on banning prostitution leading to less prostitution. A lot of people aren’t going to bother looking for a sex work out of sheer laziness if nothing else in the same way that a lot of people don’t do drugs because of the hassle in getting them.Report

    • CJColucci in reply to LeeEsq says:

      I never quit drugs. I simply began to move in circles where I had to go to the trouble of finding them myself and soon stopped bothering.Report