You Do Not, In Any Way Shape or Form, Have to Hand It to Jeffrey Toobin
Those of you who aren’t Very Online may be unaware of a scandal that hit CNN and New Yorker legal correspondent Jeffrey Toobin. The New Yorker and WNYC radio were conducting a Zoom rehearsal for their election night coverage. Toobin, during a break in the proceedings, was seen naked and … uh … rapidly hitting the refresh button, if you know what I mean. He’s been suspended from his job and claims that this was an accident that occurred because he didn’t know the Zoom session was still going. The internet had some fun with it but quickly moved on.
I considered posting on it at the time but didn’t want the members of our commentariat to get too excited. After all, we’ve lived in the Age of Zoom for seven months. We’ve seen people accidentally stand up to reveal that their sharp suit and tie was paired with basketball shorts or that their business casual ended at their boxer briefs. There was even a reporter who did a morning report from her bathroom and inadvertently1 revealed her husband2 in the shower. I have multiple Zooms a day and live in mortal terror of accidentally walking out of the shower to see I left the camera on. It’s why I make sure I’m always wearing at least shorts, even when I’m not using video.
So, it was only a matter of time until a Zoom camera caught someone relatively famous3 having sex or masturbating or checking themselves out in the mirror. Of course, Toobin’s offense was more serious than an accidental Zoom reveal. He was supposed to be in the middle of a meeting. And the Rule of Zoom is not to do anything you wouldn’t do at an in-person meeting4. It wouldn’t be acceptable to step out of a normal meeting to … um, change your background image. But the editors and I decided it wasn’t worth flogging this story too hard.
But then, just as the story was about to fade away into the latest five minute cycle of outrage came the takes. And … my God, the takes.
This might be the closest I ever get to an “I am Spartacus” moment. #MeToobin
— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) October 20, 2020
Seriously? I hate to pick on Adams here5; but there were numerous tweets along these lines6. But, holy cow, this made me feel like I was taking crazy pills. No, for goodness sake, we do not all sit at our Zoom sessions quietly masturbating under the desk. What the hell is wrong with you?
When Occam’s Razor suggests someone humiliated himself through a combo of technological error, pandemic circumstances, bad judgment, & bad luck, it seems like we should react w/ empathy, politeness, & forgiveness, as we would want to be treated, rather than punitive mockery
— Conor Friedersdorf (@conor64) October 19, 2020
I actually do hate to dunk on Conor, who is one of the most incredibly fair people in media. But I think his fairness is blinding him to the reality that we don’t have to show a lot of sympathy to a preening media figure who humiliated himself. A few Twitter jokes are not going to fatally sear Toobin’s soul.7
Jeffrey Toobin has been sidelined at a pivotal moment in the run-up to the presidential election. The reason: He exposed himself during a Zoom call with New Yorker colleagues in what he says was an accident. Here’s our full story https://t.co/pHHNURlxnR
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) October 20, 2020
Sidelined during a pivotal moment? Heavens to Betsy, what will we do without Toobin’s takes?! Dozens, maybe even single digit viewers will be saying to themselves, “God, I wish I knew what Jeffrey Toobin thinks of this!”
It’s not like CNN has a shortage of talking heads to run out, some of whom8 would be more persuasive and none of whom would have to periodically stand up or wear bright orange pants to assure us that they are fully clothed. And it’s not like anyone’s mind is going to be changed by those talking heads. But, you know … sidelined.
Re: Toobin, unless something new comes to light, I feel like “now bosses will be emboldened to crack down on private things you do on the clock” is the more threatening precedent here than “now people will think it’s fine to jerk off at work”
— Natalie Shure (@nataliesurely) October 20, 2020
As with Conor, I think Natalie is saying the right things about the wrong incident. There are real concerns about how employers are intruding themselves into our private lives and punishing private behavior. And the shift to work-from-home has only exacerbated that by blurring the line between the private and business even further. But no, punishing someone for a little manage a moi during a business meeting is not intruding into someone’s private life. It’s keeping someone’s private life from intruding into other employee’s private lives.
But by far, the worst take had to come from the New York Daily News and Jonathan Zimmerman.
So let’s suppose Jeffrey Toobin had been caught on camera having sex with a partner instead of touching himself. Would he be the most mocked man in the United States right now?
I’m not sure why this needs to explained to anyone, but banging someone in the middle of a Zoom business meeting isn’t acceptable either. It would show a staggering lack of judgement on behalf of at least two people9
And, putting aside Toobin’s history of bad sexual judgment, that’s what this pseudo-scandal is really about: our collective unease with masturbation. We Americans love to talk — and talk, and talk — about sex. But there’s one topic that remains taboo, and Toobin is paying the price for it.
Look, if you want to talk about the stigma surrounding masturbation, I’m fine with that. For some reason, our culture has decided to pretend that masturbation is unusual or even perverse. But we have enormous amounts of data on this subject, which can be summarized by this flow chart that will allow you to figure out if someone does, in fact, occasionally quote-tweet his or herself.
Jokes about masturbation are not wrong in any sense of the word. They are funny for the same reason that sex jokes are funny: human sexuality is an odd, crazy often disconcerting thing. It is one of the most fundamental aspects of the human experience10. Yet it is still something of a mystery to us, both scientifically and emotionally. It taps into powerful deep needs and desires. It can be dangerous or thrilling (or both). It still has strong taboos around it — some reasonable, some unreasonable. Our sexuality has a tendency to peel away our veneer of respectability, education and culture and reveal us for what ultimately we are — just another set of primates driven by millions of years of evolution to make more primates as frantically and as often as we can. Nietzsche wrote “the degree and kind of a man’s sexuality reach up into the ultimate pinnacle of his spirit.” Humans respond to that sort of thing with awe and wonder. But we also respond to it with silliness, humor and laughter. Because that’s the way we are. We may be animals, but we are animals that laugh. And there is nothing we laugh harder at than ourselves.
So, no, making jokes about this isn’t unusual, unexpected or wrong.
It’s not like there’s a lack of targets for Zimmerman’s fire. Masturbation is talked about in many contexts as an indication that someone is a loser or unattractive to the opposite (or same) sex. There is a certain cruelty in saying that someone who disagrees with you must have a sore palm. There is a certain glee in calling someone an “incel”. It’s a subset of the cultural ethos that sees men who can’t get laid as lesser men.11
But … holy garbanzo beans is this the wrong incident with which to start this discussion. Toobin isn’t being fired for doing a bit of five-finger shuffle. There’s nothing wrong with that. He’s being fired because he was stupid enough to do it in the middle of a meeting. Even if we were to scour from our society the stigma surrounding “subscribing to the New York Daily News”, this would still be wildly unacceptable and likely sexual harassment.
There’s also this:
But why the resolute focus on this celebrity? The answer has to do with his particular transgression, of course. Toobin previously fathered a child with a mistress, which generated a few gossip columns but was quickly forgotten after that.
“Fathered a child with his mistress” is an awfully rich euphemism for “slept with the young daughter of a friend, stupidly got her pregnant, pressured her to have an abortion, then denied paternity until his deadbeat dad ass was dragged into court.”
What makes this particularly aggravating is that the article follows this bizarre apologia by talking about Joycelyn Elders, who actually was screwed over by our cultural taboos. In 1994, Elders, then Surgeon General, suggested that sex education should include information about masturbation. Specifically, sex education should teach that there was nothing wrong with it and it might help teenagers avoid sexual activity before they were ready. The media jumped all over her, claiming that she proposed to teach kids how to masturbate, which was incorrect and absurd.12 Bill Clinton, being Bill Clinton, responded to the fauxtraversy by choking Elder’s tenure like a chicken. But I don’t think she was wrong.
(Elders made a guest appearance on Penn and Teller’s BS show on Abstinence Education, which addressed this subject in a much more enjoyable, humorous and racy way. She sounds a lot more reasonable and even funny when she’s not being filtered through a Right-Wing media machine.)
If someone else has gone Toobin’ during a Zoom session, they probably would have been fired. Not “fired until everyone’s forgotten, and we need some commentary on a SCOTUS case”. Fired for good. Sans firing, they would certainly have endured a humiliating disciplinary proceeding. In really bad circumstances, they might even have had the cops called on them. All Toobin’s had to endure as a punishment for publicly tooting his own horn is a little internet mockery and a temporary disappearance from the public airwaves13. Within months, he will be back on the airwaves, making incorrect assessments of legal cases and making hysterical predictions like Roe v. Wade will be overturned by the end of 2019. If he’s an object lesson in anything, it’s how a little fame, an ability to tell people what they want to hear, and a glib tongue will buy you the privilege of surviving something like this with your career intact.
This is not hard. Well, it might have been once, but it’s not anymore. There’s nothing wrong with masturbation. There’s nothing wrong with making jokes about it. There’s nothing wrong with a little gentle mockery and soon-to-be-rescinded suspension of someone inadvertently caught doing it. There is something wrong with engaging in it without the basic common sense and respect for your co-workers to make sure you’re not inadvertently subjecting them to makeshift Only Fans site.
People make mistakes. But the way we move on from those mistakes is to take our lumps, apologize and learn from them. I can’t peer into Toobin’s soul and know if he’s learned anything from this.14 But hopefully a lot of other people have. And maybe that will result in one less person having to watch a co-worker furiously working on a hot take.
That’s worth a few jokes at Toobin’s expense, isn’t it?
- We think.
- We think.
- Very relatively.
- Except mute obnoxious people because, let’s face it, that rocks and you’d do it in real life if you could.
- I do not, in fact, hate to pick on Scott Adams.
- Many of which were wisely deleted before their employers could see them
- Although getting dunked on by Hall of Fame running back and Hall of fame double murderer O.J. Simpson has to make one feel pretty low.
- Most of whom.
- Three might warrant further consideration but would probably still be bad. Four is just showing off. Five is right out.
- I don’t know how to break this to you, but you are a result of people having sex. And they probably had a lot of it before and after they managed to make you. Alternatively, if you are a child of fertility treatments, someone masturbated. But there was probably lots of sex going on before they got to that point.
- Kind of the inverse of the norm that sees women who sleep around as sluts.
- Teenagers absolutely do not need to be taught how to do this. It’s something they pick up on their own, like their inability to find lost phones.
- Which, honestly, is kind of a gift to the public.
- Given his history, probably not.
I’m not Very Online and until I read this OP, I hadn’t heard of Mr. Toobin or the incident. Assuming everything is as you present it, I’m only 90% on board with what you say, and not 100%.
The reasons for the 10%:
#1: Mr. Toobin being “sidelined at a pivotal moment”: I interpret that not as meaning that we, the dear public, are deprived of whatever special and incisive insights he supposedly has to offer. Rather, I interpret it as, “he makes his bread and butter off of commentary on elections and such and now he’ll have to sit out this particular cycle.” I.e., it’s a “pivotal moment” for him, not for us.
#2. You take to task someone for mentioning Mr. Toobin’s fathering child with “his mistress,” but you’re actually agreeing with that someone. The point from that someone was that Mr. Toobin has done much, much worse, and yet people are criticizing him for doing some not quite as bad.
#3. I really do think there’s something not entirely right with the mockery here. (By “here” I mean “in general,” and not necessarily your OP.) One reason is that I don’t like piling on, no matter how poor the judgment of the target. (To be clear, that’s true of me except when it isn’t. I choose to indulge in Schadenfreude and out and out mockery in other circumstances.) Another reason is because I have very complicated feelings about how sex, etc., is joked about and discussed.
To be clear, even though I spent 90% of this comment talking about my 10% disagreement with your post, rest assured that I do 90% agree with your post.Report
Toobin will get reinstated after producing a detailed profile of Rudy Giuliani.Report
I would also like to point out that while this doesn’t ~appear~ to have been true in this case, a fair number of individuals get off (literally) on exhibitionism and “accidentally” getting caught in circumstances like this because they can trick someone into looking. It is rightfully deemed sexual assault.Report
Yeah, I assumed for the sake of argument that this was inadvertent. That obviously changes if it was deliberate. But I’m dubious since, if it were, this would be unlikely to have bene the first time and we’d probably have people coming out of the woodwork saying, “Oh, yeah, he does this.”Report
At the beginning of the pandemic, the whole “spouse walking through the meeting” joke was big. Remember this from back in March? Ah, good times.
(I can kinda understand people comparing what Toobin did to what any number of spouses have done… specifically “not knowing they were on camera”.)
I know that my immediate response to hearing Toobin do that was to make a “Who among us?” joke and, before the thought was even complete in my head, to make a “I’M MAKING A LIST OF THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE WHO AMONG US JOKES” joke and then to make a joke about that.
One of the takes that I’ve seen a handful of people provide is the whole “Man, I wish I had a job where *I* could jerk off on the clock!” and the point is that Toobin should get fired for stealing from his employer.
The takes that involve “this isn’t about what Toobin did but what he made his fellow employees *WITNESS*” strike me as being the appropriate takes because, if harm was done, it was done to his fellow employees. The easy and obvious counter-argument is “well, he didn’t intend to do harm and mens rea is important!” and, I suppose I can see where that’s coming from… but, despite his intentions, he harmed his fellow employees. “Sexual Assault” I think is the legal term for what he did and while I can easily imagine some arguing, Whoopi-style, that it wasn’t Sexual Assault Sexual Assault, the harm was done anyway.
The folks who argue that he needs to be given a pass tend to elide the harm that was done… as if the only harm done was to Toobin and his own reputation. But that argument ignores the harm done to others. “Oh, it was only a small thing.” Big laugh.
But the harm was done and while not noticing it in the first place is kinda narcissistic, deliberately ignoring it after the fact is doing some weird normalization of harm done to others.Report
Two questions:
Does anyone think this story would have disappeared if he wasn’t a previously-known scumbag?
Do you think the average viewer could watch his analysis from his home, on an isolated sound stage, or in any situation other than standing up, wearing pants, with his hands visible, and take him seriously?Report
I agree with the take in the OP and I am frankly unsurprised by the reactions of his peers/wanna-be peers. This is, as Jaybird mention, a case partly of “Who here among us.”, and partly a case of the media circling the wagons.
The circling of the wagons is, to me, a clear indicator that said person is seen as a member of some elite, and that class of elite are moving to shield themselves from the criticism they deserve, because the elite can not suffer such criticism. We see this with politicians, with corporate leaders, with police, and now with the media.
Once the wagons start to circle, we should no longer trust these people. They demonstrate their untrustworthiness by their defense of bad behavior of one of their own.Report
“Toobin, during a break in the proceedings, was seen naked and … uh … rapidly hitting the refresh button.”
Ah, the classic Ross Geller “We were on a break!” defense.Report
Have you ever read Harvey Weinstein’s statement from 2017? Pretty Interesting!
That thing at the end there? Hey, give me a pass and I will put all of my energy into taking on the NRA?
I am wondering what Toobin will offer.Report
Ah, the 60s and 70s. More innocent times, when there weren’t *checks note* people protesting in the streets about feminism. Right?
Incidentally, ‘coming of age’ is doing a lot of work there. Harvey Weinstein first started distributing files in the 80s, (Which was mostly just buy and reselling film, often foreign ones), but actually started _making_ films (Aka, got in an actual position of power over actresses.) in the 90s.
It’s not like we’d had any sort of society-wide discussion about sexual harassment and inappropriate sexual advances by powerful men in positions of authority right at the start of the 90s.
Except, of course, that was exactly what happened exactly at that time, with Clarance Thomas’s nomination, which literally started third-wave feminism. And Bill Clinton’s behavior.
Before anyone says ‘But we didn’t do anything about this’. No, but…we as a society had staked out positions at that point, even if we then ignored them for political reasons.
Aka, Harvey Weinstein started producing movies and requiring women to sleep with him for roles or he’d destroy them in the film community while we were having a society-wide discussion on powerful men doing exactly that with their underlings and how it was utterly inappropriate and illegal and pretty rapey.Report
I went to college with Harvey Weinstein. The “rules” weren’t different then. They weren’t taken as seriously then as they are now, but even then using your position to get sex from people who depended on your favor was considered sleazy behavior. Nobody who knew Harvey then would have been the least bit surprised at his behavior, though many of us were surprised by his success and the opportunities it gave him.Report
Let’s see…I’ve been working from home for 8 months. I’ve never had this problem. 1) We only just recently installed video capability, 2) Long ago, I taped over my laptop camera. WHY IS THIS SO HARD to figure out? Shesh…log off, or disconnection the internet connection, etc. and rub one out. Then log back in.Report
My wife and I are taking classes online. You can buy nice little sliding covers that stick on over the camera, making it very easy to cover and uncover the camera when needed. We got a nice screen to put up behind the computers so that we do not have to worry about anybody walking into the frame. I make sure that I am not wearing anything that would be inappropriate if I happen to stand up while on camera (even if it’s not work appropriate, nothing personal hangs out). I never felt the need to rub one out during class, and I cannot imagine a meeting so long that I could not wait until it ended either. It’s one reason I have trouble believing this was entirely accidental.Report
This isn’t difficult! Want to masturbate? Go to the bedroom or couch or move away from your fucking cameras.
OR JUST CHILL FOR THE NEXT HOUR AND WAIT TILL THE MEETING ENDS!Report
He announces:
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I’m beginning to wonder if the New Yorker’s election simulation wasn’t the most accurate out of all of them.Report