Apples and Oranges, Caucusing
Before heading off to Heaven, my grandfather told me to do three things:
1. Buy American
2. Buy Union
3. Vote Democrat
As such, when I turned 18, I registered Democrat. Soon thereafter, of course, I started being the Bobby to his Hank Hill (and I’m sure that if we could harness the power from his spinning in his grave, we could move the Luxor to Detroit and keep the sky beam on all night). I never un-registered though.
As such, come 2008, I found myself wondering “huh… should I caucus?” and was pleased to discover Mike Gravel.
So I figured that, yes, I should. I figured out what district I lived in, figured out where this district caucused, and then wandered down to the high school and sat in the room on the appropriate Tuesday Night. The rules, at that time, were that any group caucusing for a candidate that had less than 15% of the caucusers was then broken up and redistributed, smallest first and then everybody counted again. I was, like, the third person there and I thought “Huh, cool. If only 3 more people show up, I won’t have to convince someone else to join me!” When #7 showed, up, I thought that I’d only have to convince one. At #13, I thought that this would be tougher than I thought. By the time we started caucusing, we had 35 people in the room.
My group was broken up first.
That night, it was Hillary 17, Obama 18. I was not the swing vote.
So, tonight, my main thoughts were about how many people were likely to be there, whether I’d recognize anybody, whether I’d get a good story out of it… that sort of thing. The first thing I noticed is that we were no longer in classrooms. We were all in the cafeteria. It was a mass of humanity and I don’t know whether the cafeteria had that many people in it during lunchtime earlier in the day. Standing room only, everybody talking over everybody else, it felt a lot more exciting than back in 2008 as well. Back in 2008, I was one of the youngest people in the room. This time, I was the very middlest. Tons of boomers, tons of young people.
I stood in line to sign my name on the paper and get my nametag (which had to be torn in half because they thought that they would run out!), and the line wrapped around the room for my district. There were more people in line than caucused last time!
We opened with the Pledge of Allegiance to a sign on the wall that had a flag on it, hammered out that the sound system did *NOT*, in fact, work, then yelled the rules of the caucus to a cafeteria full of people (we didn’t do the “human microphone” thing, though), and then we had Mike Merrifield give a speech about how hard it was to be a Democrat in Colorado Springs and how exciting it was to be a Democrat in Colorado Springs. That was quickly followed by Pete Lee giving a speech about how tonight might be a disappointment for many of us but he warned us that we had to stay engaged because if we were disappointed tonight and then shrugged and gave up, then we’d *REALLY* be disappointed in November… and then we all split off into our own precinct group. There were six in total.
Now, as I said, back in 2008, my group was 35 people. Tonight? My group more than doubled that! Hrm, I thought. Maybe something is going on here… We split off into Hillary or Bernie or Undecided groups and when Undecided turned out to be in the single digits, we broke them up and reshuffled and recounted.
The numbers for the night ended up being:
#169
Hillary 18 (2 delegates)
Bernie 28 (4 delegates)
#177
Hillary 35 (2 delegates)
Bernie 80 (4 delegates)
#178
Hillary 23 (2 delegates)
Bernie 68 (4 delegates)
#179
Hillary 39 (2 delegates)
Bernie 62 (4 delegates)
#182
Hillary 10 (2 delegates)
Bernie 16 (3 delegates)
#185
Hillary 7 (0 delegates)
Bernie 41 (5 delegates)
Holy cow! Look at that! Hillary got 10 delegates to Bernie’s 24! As I wandered around the floor after the caucus collecting these numbers and smiling and nodding to the people I recognized from around town, I made small talk with some of the caucus “leadership” and mentioned that this was a lot more energetic and had a lot more people than 2008 and there were a *LOT* of new faces. (I don’t intend “leadership” to be derogatory… they were more giving off the vibe of anarcho-socialists who were trying to facilitate a bunch of caucus newbies through a confusing process than a bunch of folks telling us what we needed to do.)
The lady I was talking to sighed and said, “Yeah, there aren’t as many people here this year.”
I’m sure I looked confused, because she said, “We consolidated a lot of districts for budgetary reasons. We’ve got bigger districts, but a lot fewer of them.”
“So I’m comparing apples to oranges?”
“Pretty much.”
So I really can’t reach any conclusions when I compare tonight to 2008. There was a lot more people in the room I was in and the cacophony created a sense of excitement… but that was, apparently, somewhat illusory. The caucus itself had fewer people who showed up.
Meanwhile, on the Republican side, the Republican “Leadership” cancelled the straw poll portion of the caucus in order to keep the delegates from being bound to the winner, whomever it may be. They cancelled it unanimously.
So what’s left is to try to figure out what’s going on based on my little group and extrapolate out from there. Colorado Springs is really, really conservative. It makes it easier to be really, really liberal because, hey, in for a penny, in for a pound. You’re going to be called a pinko if you go for the center-left person so why not actually *EARN* the title! Heck yes! Feel the Bern! (This also seems to be a shift away from the 50/50 idealistic/pragmatic split that we had going on back in 2008… but I didn’t get all the numbers for all the districts back then. Just mine and I only got those because I remembered that there was a swing vote and it wasn’t mine.)
Also, back in 2008, I had a friend who went to the Republican Caucus and he and I compared notes the next day and we hammered out that his was dull and rote and resigned while mine was fun and excited and energetic. He’s since moved and I have no idea what the Republican Caucus was like tonight… except that the cancellation of the straw poll has probably done a spectacular job of alienating the crap out of every single person who wanted to show up for their guy, whomever it is, tonight.
And, of course, that this election season is weird and there’s a lot of noise and the party leadership on both sides seems to be flailing against a tide it doesn’t understand.
Heaven help us all.
(Image is IMG_0846_Caucus by Paul Schultz, used under a Creative Commons License.)
Also, I stole a pen.Report
Fight the power!Report
You know about the pen register @jaybird, I mean, come on…Report
Marc Randazza, over at Popehat, has three articles on the Nevada caucuses. They are interesting reads, especially his observations of the folks running them.
https://popehat.com/2016/02/24/marc-randazza-from-the-trenches-at-the-nevada-caucuses-1/
https://popehat.com/2016/02/24/marc-randazza-from-the-trenches-at-the-nevada-caucuses-2/
https://popehat.com/2016/02/24/marc-randazza-from-the-trenches-at-the-nevada-caucuses-3/Report
The only shenanigans that I witnessed were “officials” wearing Bernie shirts/buttons/stickers. (These are the people who sat behind the table and checked your professed name against a name/address on a list.)
I raised an eyebrow because I thought “ain’t that kinda against the rules?” but I only really cared because I thought I read it was against the rules once… not because I thought I was being swayed despite myself.Report
Iiiiiiii’m…not sure his posts are entirely serious.
I’m reading them as “Fear And Loathing At The 2015 Caucuses”.Report
Texas Democrats ditched their Caucus system after 2008, so we’re primaries now — which honestly I like better. If nothing else, more people have time to vote rather than caucus. Participating in 2008 in the caucus wasn’t something I regretted, and the people running it were hilarious. (And very clearly had been doing this for decades. You could tell these were people who had seen Texas turn red and had no intentions of letting that go unhindered).
They actually did a rather good job of trying to defuse Hillary v. Obama tensions with good humor and reminders about the end goal (the White House) which wasn’t being decided that day.
Democratic turnout is down all over for the primaries, and while a lot of people are trying to read tea leaves (rather futilely, given there’s no connection between primary and general election turnout) for November, I think the reason is obvious — it’s not a terribly exciting race on the Democratic side. (Well, if you’re a Sanders supporter it might be — but given the demographic he’s yanking the most support from, only in the “first time in love” sense. Which doesn’t pull along the rest of the party. Never has).Report
If you had asked me to guess what party you belonged to right now, “Democrat” would have been maybe the 30th I would have guessed. There are parties I could make up on the spot that don’t actually exist that I would have thought had a better chance of having you be a member.Report
Ditto.
My friend who works in politics finally registered democratic after moving to Pittsburgh (prior to that he was unaffiliated because either side would get annoyed if he was officially signed on to their opposite). While in pittsburgh, I suppose the line went “it’s a democratic city. the primary is the actual election”Report
@tod-kelly He’s full of mysteries, that’s part of why I love him so :D.Report
I still vote for crazy people you’ve never heard of, mind.
It’s just that every time the DMV asks me if I want to switch parties, I remember my grandfather and feel guilty.Report
That’d be a fun game. Who can create a fictional party that is most likely to be the one Jaybird WOULD join if his grandfather had told him to choose freely? Party title names are limited to, let’s say, 5 words! I’ll go first!
The “No Laws That Halo Lacks” Party!Report
Pirate Party!Report
Cheese and Mulled Wine Party.Report
I will volunteer to adjudicate this game.
So far none of you are even in the running though.
Jaybird does not approve of Halo, Pirates, or Mulled Wine.Report
Thanks, @maribou .
I like @zac ‘s suggestion. I’ll offer another: “It’s this or Somalia” Party.Report
The “I refuse to belong to any party that would have me as a member” Party.Report
The “Now We’re Just Haggling” Party. 😉Report
@kazzy @zac Now we’re more in the right neighborhood!!Report
Hrm.
How are we going to measure that?
/jaybirdReport
I believe Jay has already declared his allegiance to the Je Ne Sais Quoi Party.Report
@brandon-berg wins. (Though I am still awfully fond of the “Now We’re Just Haggling Party” and the others were also amusing…)Report
Primaries are typically anonymous — it’s you and your ballot in a booth screened off from anyone watching how you vote, or the privacy (or lack thereof, as you choose) of wherever you receive your absentee or vote-by-mail ballot.
A caucus is public. You show your face, you show your support, and get counted out where everyone can see you standing in your herd of fellow-travelers. Maybe the person next to you is standing there for a different reason than you, and you can talk about why you’re both there. I’ve heard of caucuses where people expend some effort to seek to persuade others to walk over and join one or the other group. The point is, it’s not anonymous, it’s kind of public.
In this year of strange and scary extremes out there in the political currents, I’m wondering if maybe a caucus has some advantages — having to publicly proclaim one’s allegiance might very well temper those strange and scary extremes. Having to confront which of your neighbors are taking which position, and wanting to be remembered by them as someone worthy of respect, could have a soporific effect upon the progress of a candidate who, for instance, publicly repudiates the Geneva Conventions but not the Ku Klux Klan.Report
You’re a registered Democrat?
I would never have guessed that.
I kind of regret that I’ve never had the chance for a caucus-style experience; it seems interesting and invigorating. The NDP now conducts its leadership races via online poll (with ranked ballot).Report