Benedict and Malachy
“The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.” — Terry Pratchett
So, Pope Benedict XVI is resigning, which can mean only one thing: It’s time to consult the twelfth-century papal prophecies (falsely) attributed to Saint Malachy.
These prophecies are mostly short, vague, two- or three-word Latin phrases that purportedly describe some essential attribute about the each of the popes — his hometown, ethnicity, religious order, coat of arms, family name, the nature of his ministry, his titles or dignities, accomplishments, or maybe just some event that would take place during his tenure.
It’s worth mentioning that Benedict XVI is also purportedly next-to-last before the Apocalypse.
Far be it from me to say that by the time you become a pope, you are likely to be well-connected and well-honored enough that almost anyone can match you somehow to a given short phrase that was known in the twelfth century. Pseudo-Malachy supposedly called Benedict XVI “gloria olivae” based on such rock-solid links as these:
Prior to the papal conclave, this motto led to speculation that the next pontiff would be from the Order of Saint Benedict, whose symbols include the olive branch.
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, elected in April 2005, is not a Benedictine, but did choose Benedict XVI as his regnal name, partially named after Benedictine founder Benedict of Nursia, which might be regarded as a fulfillment of this prophecy.
By choosing the name Benedict, the Pope became linked with St. Benedict, who in turn is distantly connected to the Olivetans, a small sub-order of Benedictines. Although it is frequently stated that the Order of St Benedict is also known as that of the Olivetans, this is not true: while all Olivetans are Benedictines, few Benedictines are Olivetans.
Before Ratzinger became Benedict, other speculations included the possibility that he might have had olive-colored skin. Given the natural variation in the color of olives, he might have come from Africa, Orion, or Oompa-Loompa Land, which makes for a very serviceable prophecy.
Except that he was a pasty-white German dude, and olives don’t grow in Bavaria.
But perhaps he would extend an “olive branch” to the Eastern Orthodox? Or the events of the Olivet Discourse would come to pass, marking the beginning of the end of the world? (No and no, if you’re keeping score.)
But enough about Benedict. After gloria olivae is when things get really interesting:
In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,
and the terrible judge will judge his people.
The End.
So now we’re all going to die, you credulous fools.
Can I have your stuff? And whatever you do, please don’t actually go and destroy Rome. It’s beautiful, even despite the occasional outbreak of madness in the environs.
More seriously, as I noted when Benedict XVI was elected:
[T]he Last Judgment will be rather hard to overlook, coincidences or mistaken identities will be unlikely, and attempts at deception will be exceedingly difficult, what with corpses rising from their graves, Jesus Christ returning in glory, and each of us departing for an eternity in Heaven or Hell.
You can’t fudge stuff like that, which means that pseudo-Malachy’s next prediction is at long last subject to falsification, the scientific process whereby bunkum is eliminated.
Finally! And just think: What if a claim were never subject to falsification? In that case we’d have to go on believing it forever. What an interesting, if cluttered, mental world to live in.
And in another old-time rant:
What does it matter who the next pope will be? Why would God even write a prophecy about stuff like that?
I mean really, there’s just no comparison. Look at Daniel, or Ezekiel, or Isaiah. Now those were some prophets. They wrote on timeless, eternal matters: Faith, hope, love, betrayal, fortitude, deliverance. These guys are like Shakespeare; next to them, Malachy’s papal prophecies are as awesome as a misspelled grocery list.
Answer honestly: How many of you have read about Malachy’s so-called prophecies—but have not read Jeremiah, or Ecclesiastes, or even the Gospels? […] Come on now. I’m an atheist, and I’ve read them all. I’m only fooling around with this pseudo-St. Malachy because I enjoy provoking the gullible.
But I would enjoy it even more if you were not among them.
This is interesting and a part of Church history I was unfamiliar with.
I checked this morning and it has been 600 years since the last pope resigned. We are in very interesting waters here. I think the public is going to really get caught up in this over the next few weeks.
I’m also hoping it sets a new precedent for pope’s leaving before they are too old to be effective. PJP II was like that at the end. Report
JP the 2 on his deathbed was still a better Pope than Ratzinger.
Why it seems only yesterday he was a spritely 78-year-old on his third hip replacement reminiscing about the folk dances he used to do back in the hitlerjugend.Report
JP the 2 on his deathbed was still a better Pope than Ratzinger.
A-freaking-menReport
JPII made the comment that “The World is not big enough for a Pope Emeritus.”
We’ll see.Report
The current pope is alleged to have been connected to some of the Bishops who were entangled badly in the entire child mollestation coverup scandal. I wonder if he’s stepping down or being stepped down (after an appropriate span of time so as to lend deniability to the assertion that the two are connected). Or perhaps I’m being excessively cynical.Report
That was my initial read on this as well, that there’s some other shoe that hasn’t dropped yet that we’re about to find out.Report
I think most of the bad stuff about Benedict is already well-known. I’m taking this one at face value. I also think he wants to take a more active role in choosing his successor.Report
I also think he wants to take a more active role in choosing his successor
This.
The Papacy, right now, is fixed to make a major change either for the conservative or liberal inclinations of the Church. Benedict is clearly more conservative than his predecessor, I imagine he would like to continue the trend.
Personally, I think anybody over 50 is probably a really bad idea.Report
I also think he wants to take a more active role in choosing his successor.
This could be, but it’s a bad reason. As an old guy, Benedict isn’t going to be the one who has to live with the consequence of the decision, so he shouldn’t be the one making it.
This is a message I learned from both my undergrad and grad mentors, who each criticized retiring faculty who tried to influence the search for their replacements, and who each showed their own class by not trying to do so.Report
I suspect the butler did it.Report
Just adding some documentation for my claim the butler’s behind all this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/world/europe/butler-gets-18-months-for-stealing-popes-documents.htmlReport
Popes can step down? Did not know that.
I foresee a Hollywood RomCom where the Pope steps down for the love of a woman. She’ll be a firecracker atheist attorney suing the Church for hiding child abuse, and he’ll confound his Cardinals by insisting on making closing arguments himself. They’ll start off hating one another, but the audience will start asking, “will they or won’t they?”
I see Ryan Reynolds as the Pope and Jennifer Aniston as the spitfire lawyer.Report
Now this is going to get made and we’re going to all hate you for it.Report
Would you rather we Rule 34 it?Report
Where’s Coke-Encrusted Hollywood Exec when we need him? 😉Report
I hope this doesn’t come across as patronizing, but since you dialed down the vitriol, I have really been enjoying your comments.Report
Hey! Sorry, didn’t hear the phone, I was uhhhh….in the bathroom.
This sounds like just the ticket! Sly has been looking to rehab his artistic cred, and get back to his Catholic roots at the same time. Just like Mad Mel!
Here’s the pitch: aging, washed-up boxer (think Rourke, in The Wrestler) finds out he has been chosen to be the Big G’s representative on earth! He’s gotta bring his pugilism to the people, via the papacy! Talk about a fish outta water!
We’ll call it Pope On The Ropes! Tagline: “Yo, Hadrian!”.
Maybe I can even get Gibson to exec-produce, once he completes his community service in Jerusalem!
We’ll make a mint!Report
I’m issuing a concurrence with Nob.
I still want someone to make a movie based on this book:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian_the_Seventh
It seems there is a long-forgotten stage adaptation.Report
I want to know what Dan Brown and Tom Hanks think of all of this.Report
Well first of all, thanks for this post. When I heard the news driving in to work this morning, the very first thing I thought was “But what has Saint Malachy said about all of this!!” So thanks for clearing that up.
(Not really, of course. As is typical, the next thing I thought was “man, that driver from New Hampshire is a total asshole.”)
Falsification of apocalyptic prophesies fills me with incredible glee. When the world didn’t collapse into a maelstrom of sulfur and ifrits after that one talk radio guy said it would recently, I wished I’d had the means to fly to where he lived and knock on his door, just so I could point and laugh.
And you’re right about Rome. Everyone said I’d like Florence better before I visited Italy. Nope. Rome was my favorite.Report
I know, right? The temptation to point and laugh can be so strong. You must resist. Civility demands it. Allow the disillusioned to slink off into the background and rebuild new egos. Wait for the now objectively-disproven prophets to step forward and double down. Then you may point and laugh.Report
Double-down is the new normal.Report
You guys are all going to crap yourselves when the next Pope is some dude named Peter who has never left the city limits of Rome.Report
Ryan – that is my fear. The speculation when Benedict was elected was that the next pope would be younger and from a third world country. I’m worried they are going to say f-it and go back to the Italians Forever model.Report
Seems like Arinze is just obviously the right choice, but Catholics probably shouldn’t ask me for advice on anything ever.Report
Oh, Arinze’s super old. Never mind. I shouldn’t even listen to me.Report
I love that, out of the blue, I can get pope-selection inside baseball right here at the League.Report
Ruessell – you’ll enjoy this then (betting site so possibly NSFW)
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/current-affairs/pope-betting?Report
Seriously, the mere fact that that exists makes me slightly happier to live in this world.Report
Where are the prop bets?
* Over/under on age/weight/height/length of priesthood
* Distance traveled by white smoke
* Day of week of election
* Papal name
etc.Report
I’m betting George Ringo at 1000-1.Report
I see the odds on Richard Dawkins becoming pope are 666-1.Report
That would be what we call “humor.”Report
Anyone know what the count is on the College of Cardinals for how many were appointed by Benedict?Report
According to Wikipedia: “There are now a total of 209 Cardinals, of whom 118 are aged under 80. Of the voting-age cardinals, 51 were appointed by Pope John Paul II, and 67 by Pope Benedict XVI.”
You have to be under 80 to vote, so 67/118 = 57% were picked by Benedict.Report
I was pretty sure he had a majority so that confirms it (plus a lot of the JPII appointees will favor Benedict). I think this is really just about controlling the succession. Plus he’ll still be in Rome after he retires so we get all kinds of cool intrigue about him pulling strings behind the scenes. Dan Brown must be loving this.Report
In my experience, once you abdicate your position in the power structure in the Church you rapidly become a nonentity in the power structure.
The Holy Mother does not pay much attention to the offspring once they leave the house.Report
The line they gave between Popes last time was “always follow a fat Pope with a skinny one.”
Now the question comes:
Is the opposite of a German Pope an Italian? Or a South American?Report
It’s not an either-or case. A quick look shows that Sandri is an Italian-South American.Report
A Jewish one. (Like Peter.)Report
Will they wait until his resignation to choose the new Pope? Or will they start now?
In college, I had a theology teacher who was a PJPII scholar. I was in his class when he died and CNN actually came to film our subsequent class, which we diverted from the normal agenda (Prophets and Peacemakers… one of the best courses I took) to discuss the papacy. He was ultimately pretty disappointed in the selection, as he hoped/predicted they’d go to a third world country, after choosing PJPII from a (then) second world country. He also thought this was a step toward more conservative Catholicism after PJPII opened up the Church quite a bit. I was very fortunate to have been in that class at that time. He was a layman, but was conveniently named “Pope” (surname), making it all the more special.Report
From what I heard this morning there will be a brief period where there is no pope between his resignation and the election of his successor.
As for Benedict’s selection he was always thought to be a caretaker pope. The question is if he has stacked the deck in favor of a successor just like himself or if he is onboard with a new third world pope.Report
Every pope is a caretaker pope. It’s a temporary office. That’s what the title “Vicar of Christ” means.
Anyway, there’ve been about 265 popes in about 2000 years, so the average reign is about 8 years. We’ve just come off of a very long one, so Benedict’s time in office was bound to seem brief.Report
Pinky,
By ‘caretaker’ the thought was that Benedict was not meant to represent the longterm direction of the Church but to shore up the base and create a transition between the long reign of JPII and perhaps another younger pope from the third world.Report
Looks like they’ll do it in early March. But they don’t have to have a mourning period, since he isn’t dead, so they can just do it as soon as he steps down.
The betting favorites are apparently Arinze and Peter Turkson at 7-2. I think you may just get a third world/non-white pope, although my understanding is that they tend to be very conservative.Report
” I think you may just get a third world/non-white pope, although my understanding is that they tend to be very conservative.”
That’s a really good point. It’s the European Catholics who are much more liberal. Put a Mexican Catholic in there and you may have lost any chance of women being priests for a generation.Report
It might be interesting to see how an African pope would think about condoms, I guess, especially given the door Ratzinger opened, but he would otherwise be very doctrinally conservative.Report
The differences between the South American/Central American Catholics and the African/Middle East Catholics are pretty interesting.Report
This analysis is so racist! As if cardinals with a Spanish accent have to think one way, and Italians another. And blacks, well, they all think the same, so pretty much any African pope would be interchangable.Report
They”re drawn from, and to a certain extent represent, a specific community with discernible attitudes. It’s like saying that a senator from Texas will be more conservative than a senator from Hawaii.Report
And because black popes would favor condoms because, you know, they have large penises and are more promiscuous.
Defend it if you want to; these aren’t groups. They’re individuals who are fairly well-known to their colleagues, and no one’s going to pick “The Italian” or “The Third-Worlder”.Report
lol wutReport
I had assumed he meant a Pope from Africa (regardless of skin colour) would be more familiar with the devastation caused by AIDS in that continent, a tragedy that widespread condom use could slow.Report
Reading comprehension and giving your interlocutor the benefit of the doubt will get you nowhere.Report
Actually, I realize that I didn’t make fun of your statement enough. Senators are elected based on the beliefs of the voters. Cardinals aren’t. A South American cardinal doesn’t “represent” his people in the same way. The only way that you can think of him as being typical of South Americans is by racist assumptions.Report
You are really incredibly stupid.Report
Well, I’m going to assume that you’re not stupid, and ask you to think about the dynamics of the areas that are lumped together as the Third World. South America – strong influence from colonial powers which established Catholicism in the area; encroached upon by evangelical Christianity; limited international conflict. Sub-Saharan Africa – wide array of cultures; Catholicism spreading more in recent post-colonial years; in direct conflict with Islam; continued deep poverty. Indian Subcontinent – old Catholic tradition; Anglican colonialism; home of Hinduism and Buddhism; recent prosperity affecting culture. China and East Asia – state oppression resulting in an underground church movement.
Why would you think that the cardinals of these areas could be lumped together as having a lot in common? Even assuming that we’re severely limited to our own cultural experiences or race, what makes you think that a Nigerian = a Brazilian in any sense?Report
In the sense that they’re likely to be more doctrinally conservative than a European. This tends to be the case. It is well known among anyone who pays any attention to the politics within the Roman Catholic Church. I’m not sure why you get so upset and start ranting about black people having big penises, but that’s on you, dawg.Report
Pinky – your statement only makes sense if we assume that personal experience has no bearing at all. And of course that was completely proven when JPII spent zero time in his papacy worrying about communism in Poland. (insert rolling eyes here)Report
Roll your eyes if you want to. The “average” Third-World cardinal has more points of belief in common with the average cardinal than with the average Third-Worlder.Report
Among Anglicans, the hierarchy in the Third World is measurably more conservative than in Europe or the US. Why is it invalid to suspect the same would be true of Catholics?Report
Because Cqtholics believe in God, while Anglicans are children of Satan.Report
politicking never stops. but it’s in higher gear right now, one supposes.Report
the city of seven hills will be destroyed
I’m sure gonna miss Cincinnati, but at least I’m upwind.Report
Awesome. Now how many people understood that reference?Report
I grew up in Cincinnati.Report
See? Just see what that Mapplethorpe exhibit did to innocent young Jason K? It turned him into a hard-working, law-abiding, home-owning, parental gay(!!!) person.Report
Yeah, but what’re you gonna blame for the libertarianism?Report
KentuckyReport
I should write a post on how I went from growing up in a conservative household to being what’s lately termed a bleeding heart libertarian.
As a cypher, though, “Kentucky” just about does the trick.Report
As a Hoosier, I always found it convenient to blame Kentucky for just about everything, or at least anything I didn’t feel like blaming on Ohio.Report
I was always surprised that they gave it to Ratzinger in the first place. He was pretty good on that show, but he never did much afterwards, and I’d have probably picked the guy who played Norm, though maybe he was too overweight for the job.
Also, will it. be sad tomsee the retired pope walking around in his street clothes, sitting in coffee shops (old people ones that look more like diners) for hours on end? Its like if Gandalf retired and was hanging out by the pool without his magical staff and beard.Report
He put the Bull in Papal Bull with his Est Obscuram Facto.Report
Starting next week the newest, edgiest reality series ever:
Dorner and Benedict!!!!Report
Actually, I do think the concept of the pope retiring may harm the image of the church in some small way. I don’t think most people see the pope as a figure who has a lot of important jobs (overseeing meetings, writing speeches, writing political and philosophical documents, adjudicating disputes, acting as a judge) even he is such a figure, but rather as a figure who becomes imbued with some special quality: a connection to God, some special importance in his eyes, or something like that. Well you can give up a job because it is too hard, but it is really unclear if you can or should give up some magical quality. And if the special relationship with God exists and someone else can help you with the tasks of being Pope, isn’t it better to not resign. It’s not a big deal, but Ratzinger is making the office of Pope seem more like a job and less like some special life commitment or magical spiritual manifestation that matters more than the politics and day to day running of the Vatican.Report
Yeah, I was kinda thinking something like this too.
He said that he wasn’t able to keep up with his duties and, seriously, I totally appreciate that but the most important duty the Pope has is to just *BE*. The fact that he’s sitting there in that chair wearing that outfit accomplishes the majority (perhaps even the overwhelming majority) of his duties to us all (even the atheists).
Dying in office is what Popes *DO*. And if he has entered his dotage? Show him waving to the people until he can no longer wave. When he can no longer wave, keep him in bed and explain that he is well but very tired. When he dies? *THEN* you get a new one.
Retire. Pah.Report
the noble catholics of yesteryear made sure they used every part of the pope.Report
The white smoke rises. I crown you the winner of the thread.Report
Seriously? If he retires from the active life of being Pope to a quiet life of spiritual contemplation, I think that would be awesome.
If he becomes Dick Cheney, saying snarky things about the new Pope, put the Church out of its misery now.Report
There is clearly only one candidate for Pope who can unite the church and those outside it. I refer of course to Father Dougal McGuire.Report
I was thinking Thomas Wolsey.Report
My life was changed thanks to his powerful homily concerning spider-baby.Report
Who likes toast with their Ex-Benedict?Report
ouch!Report
You dismiss the prophecy because Benedict doesn’t seem to fit it, as if there were only one Pope in the world. You forgot the Coptic Pope of Alexandria. Pope Shenouda III died less than a year ago. His skin was more olive-colored, and he was known for extending the olive branch of ecumenism.
Coincidence? Fnord.Report
I’ve read that people can look at the last line:
“In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church…”
and read ‘the final persecution’ not as during the 112th Pope. It could be interpreted that Malachy prophesied UP TO 112 but there could be many more after the 112th. And when the last pope does come around, in some unmentioned time in the future, long after the 112th pope, it would be “Peter The Roman.” This Peter could be the 113th pope, or the 213th pope.
Of course, The cardinals who go to Rome to vote on the new Pope (called the papal conclave) have only one rule to follow when it comes to electing the new pope: the person must be a baptized male. I think there’s a fairly good chance of there being at least one Peter. He doesn’t have to be from Rome. If he’s elected, he’ll be Pope which also means “Bishop of Rome” – and that seems like enough to say it matches with “Peter the Roman”. Who’s to say there hasn’t been an on-going attempt to keep pope choices in line with the prophecies? The cardinals have access to the list and can use it to direct their choices. Isn’t that more probable than someone centuries ago predicting all this?Report
But most probable of all is that any relationship between actual elected popes and the list is purely coincidental (which can be spun into a narrative by a proponent of the prophecies, like any good superstition or conspiracy theory).
Or at least, that’s what they want you to think. Fnord.Report
Well, any pope can be described as Peter of Rome.
“In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.” That pretty much sums up the Church as it sees itself.Report
Why is John Yoo, the “Torture Memo” attorney, sitting next to the Pope at his last public mass?Report