History Was Made in 2024 Election, Now What?
Right after Vice President Harris’ dominant debate performance against former President Donald Trump, I wrote a piece detailing the state of the race. I made a case the VP was a tilts favorite that had forecasts, a favorability edge, enthusiasm, fundraising, and ground game on her side. Well, it turned out that all those things ended up not mattering much, because Trump was trusted on key issues and got to run as an outsider in an open-seat race with an unpopular sitting incumbent President in the background.
Inflation and Biden’s deep unpopularity brought the 45th President back to the White House for a second non-consecutive term, a feat not accomplished since Grover Cleveland. In a way Cleveland and Trump have many similarities – both have dodgy pasts with women, both survived scandals in the middle of an election campaign, and both were known to stay up too late. They also had similar electoral paths to the White House: Cleveland won an open seat race against a controversial and unlikable opponent in 1884, lost a very close election in 1888, and then returned to win back office in 1892 with an even bigger win than his first go-around.
Of course, this campaign itself will go down in history for being one of the more chaotic ones. A sitting President deciding to not seek re-election, the first black woman to be nominated by a major party, two assassination attempts, a controversial rally, and the re-election of a former president who was convicted of felony counts earlier in the year. If I had to compare this race to any year, it might be 1968 when Nixon got in on his second try against a happy warrior VP thanks to LBJ’s unpopularity and frustrations with the Vietnam war while riots happened in the streets.
Forecasts and polls will have done much better than 2020 and in some respects than 2016. The average forecast had Harris as just a 53% odds favorite to win and her lead in the electoral college was a normal error away from falling apart. Polls also caught how tight it was in the battlegrounds, and the fact it remained tight even as major shifts happened in the red and blue states. As someone who values polling to give me a proper picture of public opinion, I think it was a major win for them after getting accused by so many of herding.
From the standpoint of political science, Trump’s win is no big shock. Close your eyes and pretend he wasn’t Donald Trump. Now imagine a Republican with near-universal name recognition ran against the sitting Vice President of a President who had approval ratings in the low-forties. Now imagine the public feels the country is in the wrong direction and that the economy is worse off than it was four years ago. Doesn’t seem so stunning in that respect, does it?
But it’s not as simple as that. Trump is a man who elicits emotions. He’s rude, he’s selfish, he’s off-putting, he’s loud, he’s been convicted of crimes, he’s an adjudicated rapist, and he attempted to overturn the results of the election he lost. But for as much hate as he gets, he has a following that will crawl through broken glass to vote for him, and he has successfully created an image of a man voters could trust on the economy regardless of whatever issues they have with his personality. He is poised to make gains with Puerto Rican voters (Though he lost a straw poll in the Island itself by decent margins), even after a racist joke about them was uttered at his rally. Its maddening for Democrats, and as someone who personally loathes the man (Not to mention I’m Puerto Rican myself) I can understand the frustration myself.
You don’t win as big as Trump did without winning over all kinds of voters. Not only did Trump do better with rural voters and non-white voters, he also was able to mitigate losses in the same suburbs that sunk him in 2020. Basically, he won with persuasion as much as he cut into demographics. Voters were unhappy and they made a change. Just as they did four years prior when they booted him out. I can go on and on about the campaign missteps by the Harris camp (That answer on Biden on The View in particular), I can go into the rightward shifts we saw across the country with certain demographics and blue states, but at the end of the day the non-incumbent won a change election. Not only do I think Biden loses in her place, but I also honestly think he does even worse. In a way 2024 was what 2022 should’ve been.
So, what now? Obviously, there is going to be a very uneasy tension in the country as Trump prepares for his inauguration. While he would have won by bigger margins than any Republican has in twenty years, we’re still not talking about the kind of big consensus landslides of yesteryear. He’s coming in with promises to pardon certain bad-faith actors and get revenge on anyone he feels crossed him. He also comes in with a much more radical and loyal bunch trailing behind him. I remember the never-ending media circuses of 2017-2021, I suspect we’ll return to that for the next four years.
For Democrats this will be a gut-punch of a loss. Though it was more foreseeable than 2016 was, to see their entire coalition sliced and diced the way it’s been the last decade puts them in a position where they have to go back to square one. The party is at an inflection point, and where it goes from here will be interesting to watch unfold. They will make a comeback as all parties in the wilderness eventually do. They made one after Trump won last time, mostly thanks to the man himself frustrating voters during his time in office. The pendulum always swings back, and I suspect Trump will take a hit in approval ratings when some of his more unpopular policies piss off voters or when thermostatic public opinion hits; and historically Democrats should have a blue wave midterm in 2026. The best way to get out of the wilderness is to watch those in power get all the blame and then pounce. But for now, they’re understandably dejected and having to find a new path forward.
The result means we will get three straight one-term presidencies right after we had three straight two-term presidencies. You have to go back a long time to the last time we had this much whiplash in the White House. It also means the Overton window will shift right, as the median voter has told Democrats they want a change in their message and priorities. This also likely means we will unfortunately not see a major party nominate another woman for a few more cycles. I also think this result has confirmed that we are so polarized that even poor ground game and great fundraising can only take you so far.
Four years ago, after Biden’s victory, I warned him in a piece of mine that if he was as unpopular as Trump was that four years later, he and the Democrats would pay the price. Well, they did. This time around I give a warning to Trump by bringing back around the man whose electoral history he’s emulated. Early into his second term, just as he made his big comeback, Grover Cleveland was hit with an economic disaster; he never recovered, and his party suffered for it. He and Republicans may feel unstoppable right now, but second terms are notoriously rough, and Trump has lost the faith of the voters before. If he also follows the path of the typical second term stumbles, he will become unpopular again and his party will suffer. As Democrats learned the hard way this year, you cannot lose the faith of voters in you.
But let me leave you with another warning; but this time the warning is for you the reader. You may or may not have voted against the returning President, but even if you didn’t, we as a collective are the ones who decide who is in office making decisions. We pull that lever, we touch that screen, we fill in that ballot. We know about Trump’s lack of morales, criminal acts, and we even fired him once before. We know all this and yet we put him back in office. If the next four years end up as bumpy as his first four, just remember with every new media frenzy, every new unpopular policy, every new controversial cabinet appointment, etc that we all wanted this. We, the American people backed this. We knew the risks, and we took it. If this gets even more off-the-track than the first term, we are the ones who are to blame. We are the ones who will be judged a hundred years from now for making this decision. Elections have consequences, and the voters will face those consequences whether good or bad; and I plan to remind you of that for the next four years.
To be perfectly honest, I think that the Democrats need to ask themselves “where did we screw up?” and actually come up with an answer this time that isn’t “we cared about people too much”.Report
Being both Black and Female didn’t compensate for also being an empty suit who was terrible at running for election.
I found all of the happy talk on how super qualified she was pretty jarring. It sounded similar to how Biden was super competent and not affected by age.Report
That would require a reflection in the mirror. We have talked about self reflection before at OT, and it is a waste of time. All they will see is the cardboard cut out of what they see as THE GOOD.
It’s just not worth the time to continue to point that out and continue to get degraded for it.Report
Just listen to THE CARDBOARD CUT OUT author above: “I plan to remind you of that for the next four years.”
It never changes for these peopleReport
I’m watching MSNBC and they are predictably saying Kamala would have performed better if she was a 6 ft tall white man. So, no, don’t hold your breath for meaningful self reflection about how Dem policies, track record and candidate were wildly unpopular. Better to blame democracy itself. Apparently 1 in 4 black men in this country are now white supremacists.Report
I saw a softer version of that when I popped on CNN for a few minutes. I imagine we are still a couple weeks away from the full post mortem, but it’s clear to me that’s pure cope.
And thats coming from me, someone who was hoping Harris would pull it out. It baffles me how many people can’t see the flaws in that angle.Report
It’s never the one thing, especially in this instance. The reasons for the ass-whoppin are legion. But my guess is that the post-mortem will fixate on the Biden / Harris swap out and neglect the root causes for the landslide. In a lot of ways, the Dems shot their shot by knifing Biden in the back and gave themselves a better chance trying to thread the “joy” needle with Harris. It was the right move. Biden is a vegetable. But it’s not why they took such a huge loss.Report
A white man with her (lack of) talents and (lack of) history would never have been given this opportunity.
There would have been dozens of obviously more qualified people in that talent pool (various former or current governors).Report
You’re right. They had a white man with her lack of talents but he could no longer string 2 complete sentences together. Uncle Joe has to be laughing his ass off right now. Assuming he’s aware of the election, of course.Report
They screwed up back in 2008 by promising Hillary Clinton that if she didn’t make a stink about Barack Obama winning the primary then they’d support her in 2016. That’s why we didn’t get Sanders back then, and because of the dolchstosselegende we didn’t get to have him in 2020 either, even though he was the right guy for both moments.Report
Or, maybe less flip: They screwed up by looking at the demographic shift from 2016 Trump to 2020 Trump (as in, “all demographics except White College-Educated Males went more for Trump in 2020”) and saying “oh, that’s just a fluke” and not “uh-oh”.Report
https://x.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1854168624119877887
Staggering class realignment/shift in working class
Harris lost DESPITE major shift of affluent voters her way
2020: Trump wins voters over $100K, 54-42*
2024: *Harris* wins voters over $100K, 54-45
2020: Biden wins voters $50K-$100K, 57-42
2024: *Trump* w/ voters $50K-$100K, 49-47
2020: Biden wins voters under $50K, 55-45
2024: Trump massive improvement w/ voters under $50K, 49-48
(*) the original tweet had an error in this figure which was corrected by a later tweet; the corrected figure is presented here.)Report
Kontextmaschine wrote about how Obama’s election was when he had expected Americans would decide that Blacks were White (like with Kennedy’s election, where the Catholic Ethnics – Poles, Irish, Italians – became White) and a lot of people, including him, had been surprised when that didn’t really happen.
But maybe that’s this election, the one where Blacks become White and we can finally admit that “uneducated poor people who run on emotion will vote by vibes and do dumb things if you don’t manage them properly” isn’t something that becomes Racist And Inherently Wrong if you say it about black people.Report
I still think it’s early for all of this but I think you’ve got two factors. Factor one is that our demographics are very different than they were in the immediate post civil rights settlement and even pretty different than they were 20-30 years ago. That’s just an objective fact but our political parties and establishment haven’t really pivoted to it.
Second there’s reason to suspect that we are slowly depolarizing around race. Big picture that’s a good thing, but it does mean that old play books around race are going to be less effective. I mean, the big fact that never seems to enter all of this calculation is that something like 70% of hispanics are (or at least identify as) white, and the fact that someone’s crusty old grandpa may not see them that way isn’t of very limited relevance to their opinions and voting behavior.Report
*is of very limited relevance.Report
Thank God the right person won. I am shocked at how strong a win it looks to be too. I fully believed he would not win the popular vote, but is looks like he will.
Wow!
I am glad this repudiates the unprecedented levels of attacks President Trump has endured:
– Multiple lawfare cases
– Multiple times by ranking Democrats called him fascist, threat to democracy, Hitler, and other inflammatory statements exciting violence against him
– 2 assassination attempts
Yet the blame falls on self inflicted wounds by you guys. The two biggest being:
1) Not article 25ing Biden a couple of years ago when you knew he was incapable. But being in power meant more than doing the right thing. I found watching the elderly abuse on live TV depressing. If you had done the right thing, Harris or another candidate would have had much more of a chance. And you would have let and elder statesman have his twilight years relaxing and enjoying the incredible 40+ years of service, instead of doping him up on drugs, dragging him on to a dolly and wheeling him out.
2) It is the economy (inflation), stupid. This above all killed Harris. Because it hits the lowest incomes the most. This happened in two parts:
– It is all well and good to want a move to green and electric vehicles, but forcing gas prices out of the range of the lowest income and not caring about it in the least breeds resentment and they start to realize you do not give a crap about them over your agenda.
– 20% inflation on commodities that the lowest income buy of feed their families. If they have to choose between feeding their families and voting for Trump, vs not feeding their families and voting for Harris… You saw who they voted for. Yes, yes, Trump is not going to magically bring prices back to 2019. We all know the damage is done and the US is terrified (rightly so) of deflation. Yet Trump oversaw the surge in wages and they can hope he does the same again. Ironically this is one area that Covid helped, so I cannot say Trump really did this, but belief is belief.
Still, I thought the abortion issue was going to hurt the Republicans much more than it looks to have. That hit against Republicans seems to have fallen off from the 2022 election. When that decision can down I thought it was morally right, but politically stupid and that it would rewrite the Republican surge all the way through 2024.
Glad I was wrong about the 2024 part.
Now for one prediction:
– Suddenly a cop killing someone of color will being back in the 24/7 news cycle and riots will ensue. Because none of that happened under Biden’s people’s watch, honest.Report
Nah; none of that has anything to do with it. People vote for vibes these days, and they want the vibe Trump’s got. Anyone who’s betting on him having a particular policy beyond What Pisses Off The Guys I Hate Right Now is kidding themselves, but there’s plenty of people who love that as a policy plan, so they voted for him.Report
People liked the Trump economy more than the Biden economy and don’t really care about “policy”.Report
Bullshit. If it had been Vance on the ticket instead of Trump then they might have tried to run on “economics” but that wouldn’t’ve been enough to put him over (because they’d have actually asked “so what are you gonna do about it” and he wouldn’t have had an answer.)
They want Mean America, and Trump promises them that. If you think something else significant is going on, then that’s a lie you’re telling yourself because you don’t want to imagine that the people standing next to you are Mean.Report
and he wouldn’t have had an answer.
Not engaging in “stimulus” spending when the economy is overheating is an answer. You’ll notice the GOP mostly voted against that.
They want Mean America
You telling the deplorables that they’re racist scum for not voting Team Blue has been shown to not work.
Blue is going to try to rip apart whatever Team Red players tries to be President, so whoever they put up needs to be able to deal with that. Romney’s superior ethics and such didn’t shield him. Trump’s vileness does.Report
Trump was handed a healthy economy and, after a while, things went bad — not entirely his fault, but on his watch and, to some extent, because of what he did. Biden was handed a very unhealthy economy, and faced the same problems faced by most of the rest of the world. We hacked our way out of it, better than other countries did, and eventually broke the back of inflation without pitching ourselves into a recession. Now Trump will be handed, again, a healthy economy, which, I predict, he’ll f**k up. And his fans won’t care.
What people “like” is a false memory. Gas prices are down to Trump-era levels (I paid $2.99 a gallon this past week), egg prices are back close to normal after avian flu (I paid $2.99 a dozen last week), and things are humming. But “vibes” beat reality in the short run.Report
RE: “Now What?”
Now we all take a deep breath and hope really hard that most of the anti-Trump hysteria is exactly that.
We drop the various legal cases again him. Yes, he got away with it. So did OJ, move along.
Trump should be given a chance to govern in a normal way, he won the election.
If he decides to test the guiderails again we need to make them hold.
We will see a lot of chaos in the next 4 years, the chaos itself isn’t a threat to the republic.Report
Brother, if you want us to just handwave away “he got away with it”, then fine, but that’s not an argument that goes away when your guy isn’t in office.Report
Dude, he’s literally already been convicted of dozens of state felonies. That doesn’t magically go away cuz you win election.Report
Attempting to put the sitting President in prison instantly becomes both a Constitutional crisis and “lawfare”. Worse, if you get to do it then Team Red gets to do it.
I get that he’s guilty and this was attempted in good faith. That doesn’t change that if we allow it for Trump then we can probably find something to convict every President going forward.Report
“I accept your terms.”
– internet memeReport
There’s only one way you can put the Head of State in prison.
https://youtu.be/Itfru6blTYc?si=syKpohvOB5hNdts3
You can imprision a former Head of State just fine.Report
Heh. Your terms are acceptable, too!Report
So here’s the thing: Kamala Harris did not make mistakes while campaigning.
This is actually pretty easy to notice, if she’d made mistakes while campaigning would be talking about her failure with a certain demographic group or failure with a certain state. We aren’t. She was just less popular than Trump in a general sense.
Kamala Harris failed for two reasons, and the one that was her fault was because she was not, in any way, going to solve any problem for the American people. To be clear, neither is Trump, but she wasn’t pretending to, because Democrats have long since given up on actually doing anything that the American people want.
The Democrats will not learn that lesson, of course. They are paid way too much by corporate interests to not learn that lesson. A huge chunk of them seem to think an ideal world is Democrats and Republicans barely indistinguishable, directly in ‘the middle’, aka, exactly where corporate interests want them.
The voters are not happy with that, they have not been happy with that since… Well, that’s arguably the reason that Obama won, but he didn’t really change anything that would have gone against the corporate interests, he just did health care, a thing corporate interests _wanted_. And then we got Trump, when it became clear that nothing else was going to happen. And that is why we ping pong between corporatist interest Democrats who don’t do anything, and an insane criminal lunatic who doesn’t do anything.
Democrats won’t notice that, they will of course blame the left, I’ve literally already seen a post on this site for that. And in an extremely odd and convoluted way they are correct, but they want to blame the left activists, when in fact the people who failed to vote for them are the entire giant swath of the American population who would vote for Democrats if they thought Democrats WOULD F*CKING DO ANYTHING. Instead, they either fell into misinformation and voted for Trump, or they just didn’t vote.
(The other reason she failed was the media, which completely just decided act like Trump was normal that electing a convicted felon was normal, that he wasn’t almost incoherent, that he wasn’t literally threatening them, etc.)Report
Rereading that, allow me to rephrase “And that is why we ping pong between corporatist interest Democrats who don’t do anything, and an insane criminal lunatic who doesn’t do anything.” By appending ‘to help people’ to both halves.
Donald Trump does plenty of things. He will do plenty more. None of them will help the people in the slightest, and in fact some of them are going to seriously injure people in general, in addition to people in specific that either he or bigots dislike and have chosen to target.
But because he has lied, (because this is how fascism works), he has convinced enough American voters that targeting those specific groups are going to make their lives better.
That’s how fascism always wins, because they are willing to lie about a solution to a problem that is real, and everyone else refuses to do anything about. (Sometimes the problem is literally unsolvable, but it wasn’t here.)Report
Trump was elected because voters liked the Trump economy more than the Biden economy.
Trump did some things that probably encouraged growth (bureaucracy reform, encouraging oil/gas, new free trade deal) so he gets to claim things.
Biden did something that probably encouraged inflation, that’s what people are pissed about at the moment.
Claiming “none of this will help/matters” is an invitation for your guy to get fired. Trump being awful probably hurt him. It wasn’t enough.Report
…new free trade deals? Bureaucracy reform?
What the hell are you talking about? Please explain how Trump’s trade policies have helped literally anyone at any point, or how enacting tariffs is free trade?
And the voters are not actually pissed at inflation, despite the media framing it that way. They’re pissed that wages have not followed inflation.
Which, of course, is because corporate interests have bought both parties, so they will do absolutely nothing to impede corporate interests shoveling money to the wealthy, as they have been since the ’80s.
Nor will the media actually explain this or call it out, so we are left with enough Americans to vaguely think it is default of immigrants or corporate policies about Black people or something that we get fascism. (Which is actually is the exact same reason we got fascism last time.)
Edit: Also, people did not like the Trump economy. Like, at all. By the end it had fallen to pieces, although some of that was due to covid, but it already was not doing well. Unemployment more than tripled. That’s why the memes are running around lying and showing covid gas prices, pretending that that means the economy was doing well. If the economy actually was doing well, they’d be showing graphs.Report
Donald Trump has demonstrated that it’s possible to win staggered elections.
The Democrats could run Harris in 2028 (maybe with Shapiro this time) and finish what Biden, the most successful president since FDR, started.Report
Grover Cleveland beat him to it.Report
Incidentally, in 2020, Joe Biden got approximately 6% of the registered Republican voters.
This year, with actual Republicans on stage, with Harris, her actively promising to put Republicans in the cabinet, making every outreach to peel Republicans away from Trump, and with both the coup attempt and the legal judgements against Trump…
Harris got 6% of registered Republican voters.
And lost 20 million Democratic voters that just wandered off somewhere and didn’t bother to vote.
What could we possible make of this, going forward? I know, maybe the Democrats should move even _farther_ to the right and reject the radical left. Appeal to centrist Republicans who reject Trump _even harder_. GOTV for them. Bus them to the polls, if need be. If they try hard enough, go right enough, maybe they can get that number up to 7% by 2040!Report
Among other winners today we have the United States Capitol Police.Report