Parenthood Control, As In Self Control, Dystopian And Otherwise

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has been the Managing Editor of Ordinary Times since 2018, is a widely published opinion writer, and appears in media, radio, and occasionally as a talking head on TV. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter@four4thefire. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast. Subscribe to Andrew'sHeard Tell Substack for free here:

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  1. I remember when I realized the exact moment having kids had changed me. I was watching the Dark Knight and the end scene when Twoface is threatening Gordon’s kids came on. Before then, I’d been kind of blase about kids in danger scenes. This time, it was hard to watch. And any time kids are threatened on TV shows, I just want to post a little f-u to the writers.Report

  2. InMD says:

    Great post Andrew, thank you for sharing. A couple thoughts:

    I’ve never been in the military or a war zone but your meditations on your experience reminded me of my grandfather, who was career army and served as combat infantry in World War 2 (he was in 6 landings in the Pacific) and then fought again in Korea. He was tough, and a hard man in ways that are difficult to describe now and that I’m not sure our culture produces people quite like him any more. Despite that he also loved children (he was the second oldest of I believe 13 siblings), and spent a lot of time with me and my brothers and cousins even though I’m certain we drove him nuts. Anyway I bring him up because he would talk about World War 2 all the time, but he almost never mentioned Korea. I later learned that where fighting Japanese soldiers for whatever reason didn’t leave much of a mark on him the civilian suffering, and particularly of children, that he witnessed in Korea were extremely difficult for him. My grandmother told me he had nightmares about Korea for years and years after and while he was a hard living guy regardless I think it probably contributed to various issues with alcohol, though he did eventually kicked them.

    I’m also with you on how becoming a parent impacts how you perceive children in danger in art. I’m still a big horror fan but I’ve found since I became a dad I tend to skip movies that look like they have a lot of that element. About a year ago I was visiting a friend just far enough away I usually stay the night, especially if we have decided to bust into his whiskey collection. We ended up watching Antlers, which was actually pretty well done, but there is lots of children in danger and actually dying in the plot. Damned if I didn’t find myself unable to sleep over it and speeding home at the crack of dawn to get back to my son, over something that several years ago wouldn’t have bothered me in the slightest.Report

  3. fillyjonk says:

    I don’t have kids, but having lost a parents/lived through helping college students dealing with some personal trauma/living through the pandemic/having friends who experienced family violence left me, for a while, really unable to deal with any entertainment that touched on violence. (Even before all that, I had a hard time with shows like, for example “Criminal Minds.” I liked the puzzle solving aspect and the team camaraderie, but I could not with innocents being harmed or killed, especially kids or teenagers). At the worst of it (2020, dealing with fresh grief and also the horror of the early days of the pandemic), I could not even read the golden-era mystery novels I used to love and used as an escape in the past.

    I’ve never liked dystopias; I tend to see them more as cautionary tales (“we could become this if we aren’t very careful, or even if we’re merely unlucky”) than some kind of exciting counterfactual.

    Right now, I’m reading Elizabeth Gaskell’s enormous “Wives and Daughters” – a 19th c. British novel. I had forgotten how much I liked these – slices of life but nothing too terribly bad happens to anyone. Stories about people trying to use the right fork or angle their way to dance with someone they might be a “match” for seems to be more my style.Report

  4. Jaybird says:

    As I would like to talk about Joel’s decision, I am going to use Rot13. Rot13 is a simple encryption scheme where you “rotate” a letter 13 spaces and then, to unencrypt, rotate it back. It turns “The butler did it” into “Gur ohgyre qvq vg” and vice-versa.

    Bxnl. Fb gur fvghngvba ng gur raq bs gur fubj/raq bs gur tnzr vf gung Wbry unaqf bire Ryyvr gb gur Sversyvrf fb gung gurl pna hfr ure gb znxr n inppvar ntnvafg mbzovsvpngvba. Gur fvqr rssrpg bs znxvat guvf inppvar jbhyq, fnqyl, vaibyir ure qrngu.

    Vafgrnq bs Wbry fnlvat “Vg’f sbe gur terngre tbbq”, ur tbrf ba n enzcntr naq xvyyf nyy bs gur Sversyvrf ur pbzrf npebff. Ur trgf vagb gur bcrengvat ebbz naq gur qbpgbe lryyf “Yrg’f gnyx nobhg guvf!” naq, abcr, Wbry fubbgf gur qbpgbe. Fubbgf gur narfgurfvbybtvfg naq ahefrf gbb (ng yrnfg, gung’f jung unccrarq va zl cynlguebhtu).

    Ur tenof Ryyvr naq gnxrf ure onpx gb gbja. Nsgre fur jnxrf hc, fur nfxf uvz “jung unccrarq?” naq ur gryyf ure n yvr: Ur gryyf ure gung gurl svtherq bhg gung gurl pbhyqa’g hfr ure sbe n inppvar naq fb eryrnfrq ure.

    Abj, urer’f bar bs gur ovt cbvagf gung V’q yvxr gb cbvag bhg: Va gur ivqrb tnzr, gurer jnf ab erny ernfba gb oryvrir gung gurfr thlf jrer frevbhf fhetrbaf, zrqvpny cebsrffvbanyf, naq erfrnepuref. Lbh unq rirel ernfba gb oryvrir gung gurl jrer zreryl ernyyl vagryyvtrag crbcyr jvyyvat gb penpx n obbx naq gel gb svther fghss bhg ba gur syl.

    Fb, sbe zr, gur pubvpr jnfa’g “Ryyvr if. Inppvar” ohg “Ryyvr if. N Unvy Znel ng gur unaqf bs crbcyr jub zvtug abg rira or fhetrbaf”.

    Fb, sbe zr, gur pubvpr nf gb jurgure V’q tb naq trg Ryyvr onpx (naq fubbg nalobql va zl jnl) jnf fvzcyr.

    Sebz jung V haqrefgnaq, gur grfgref jub cynlrq guebhtu gur tnzr pnzr va gjb pngrtbevrf: Crbcyr jvgu xvqf naq crbcyr jvgubhg xvqf. Gur crbcyr jvgubhg xvqf jrer cerggl zhpu 50/50 ba jurgure be abg Wbry “qvq gur evtug guvat”. Rirel fvatyr cnerag, jvgubhg rkprcgvba, fnvq gung Wbry “qvq gur evtug guvat”.

    Bar bs zl snibevgr erfcbafrf gb gung cvrpr bs vasbezngvba pbzvat bhg jnf n ynql jub fnvq gung fur gubhtug gung gur dhrfgvba jnf nobhg jurgure Wbry qvq gur evtug guvat jura ur yvrq gb Ryyvr.

    Sbe guvf crefba, *GUNG* jnf gur vagrerfgvat zbeny qvyrzzn. “Fubhyq Wbry unir yvrq nobhg fubbgvat rirel fvatyr crefba va gur ubfcvgny?”

    Bs pbhefr ur fubhyq unir fubg gurz. Ohg jnf vg jebat gb jvguubyq gung vasbezngvba sebz Ryyvr?

    Va nal pnfr, gur 2aq tnzr znxrf n ovt qrny nobhg ubj gur qbpgbe jub tbg fubg *JNF* n zrqvpny cebsrffvbany (naq vg’f uvf qnhtugre jub vf n znwbe cebgntbavfg). Gung’f nyy jryy naq tbbq… ohg gung’f vasbezngvba gung V qvqa’g trg jura V cynlrq gur svefg tnzr.

    Abg gung vg jbhyq unir znggrerq gung zhpu gb zr, bs pbhefr.Report

    • North in reply to Jaybird says:

      Lbhe ovt cbvag vf, ynetryl, n engvbanyvmngvba V’z fnq gb fnl. Gung vf, sbhaqngvbanyyl, gur cbvag bs gur jubyr tnzr. Gur Sversyvrf ner cerfragrq nf eryvnoyr aneengbef. Gurl’er eryngviryl hcfgnaqvat. Jul qbrf Wbry rira xabj nobhg gur yvsr raqvat bcrengvba ba Ryyvr? Orpnhfr gur Sversyvrf yrnqre jnf hcsebag naq gbyq uvz nobhg vg. Jul vf Wbry rira oernguvat ng guvf cbvag bs gur tnzr? Orpnhfr gur Sversyvrf yrsg uvz nyvir nsgre gurl pncgherq uvz. N syng-bhg znyribyrag betnavmngvba jbhyq arire unir yrg n zna nf qnatrebhf nf Wbry jnxr hc. Rira n zber arhgeny-vfu betnavmngvba jbhyq unir frqngrq uvz gb xrrc uvz bhg bs pbzzvffvba ybat rabhtu gung ur’q or yrneavat nobhg Ryyr’f sngr nf n cbfgfpevcg. Orpnhfr gurl’er trarenyyl hcfgnaqvat gurl gryy uvz hc sebag naq gura tvir uvz na bccbeghavgl gb zheqrevmr gur urpx bhg bs gurz nyy. Gurer’f ab aneengvir ernfba gb guvax gung gurve bcrengvba jbhyqa’g erfhyg va n gerngzrag sbe gur shathf.

      Gur tnzr vf irel zhpu nobhg jung ybir qbrf gb crbcyr naq jung crbcyr jvyy qb sbe ybir. Gb fnl “Jryy znlor gur Sversyvrf ner xvyyvat ure sbe abguvat” vf whfg n fubqql engvbanyvmngvba gb pbire hc gung Wbry pnerf nobhg Ryyr naq vg qbrfa’g znggre jung gur Sversyvrf ner xvyyvat ure sbe- ur’yy qrfgebl gurz gb cerirag gurz sebz uhegvat ure- rira vs gung zrnaf qnzavat uhznavgl gb yvivat nf gurl pheeragyl qb jvgu gur pbeqlprcf vasrfgngvba.

      Wbry vf, ba gung yriry, gur zbafgre; whfg nf zhpu nf gur Nyvra ba gur Abfgebzb jnf. Ur bhgznarhiref, bhgsvtugf naq gura fynhtugref gur Sversyl thneqf naq crefbaary va gurve bja onfr. Gura ur ergevrirf Ryyr, xvyyf gur Sversyl yrnqre naq yrnirf. Naq orpnhfr ur’f n zbafgre ur yvrf gb Ryyr, obgu gb fcner uvzfrys orvat gung va ure rlrf, gb rfpncr ure whqtrzrag naq gb nffher gung gurer’f ab punapr gung uvf jbex jvyy or haqbar ol n aboyr fnpevsvpvny qrpvfvba ba Ryyrf cneg. V nz abg fnlvat Wbry vf jebat gb pubbfr ubj ur pubbfrf- vg’f n gebyyl ceboyrz ernyyl. Vs V jrer va uvf fvghngvba naq zl uhfonaq jnf ba gur gnoyr, V guvax V’q qb gur fnzr guvat. Ohg gur rkphfrf lbh unir urer, Wnl, ner begubtbany gb gur tnzr. Vs gur Sversyvrf jrer whfg znebbaf jub jbhyq unir phg gur tvey hc sbe abguvat, gura gurer’f ab aneengvir grafvba. Gur tnzr tnir hf ab vasb gb fhttrfg gur Sversyvrf jbhyq snvy gb cebqhpr gurve gerngzrag- fb gur gerngzrag jnf erny naq Wbryf pubvpr qrfgeblrq vg. Qba’g nireg lbhe rlrf.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to North says:

        Zl nethzrag vf abg “Jryy znlor gur Sversyvrf ner xvyyvat ure sbe abguvat” vg’f gung “znlor gur Sversyvrf ner xvyyvat ure sbe n ybat fubg”.

        Ohg gur rkphfrf lbh unir urer, Wnl, ner begubtbany gb gur tnzr. Vs gur Sversyvrf jrer whfg znebbaf jub jbhyq unir phg gur tvey hc sbe abguvat, gura gurer’f ab aneengvir grafvba. Gur tnzr tnir hf ab vasb gb fhttrfg gur Sversyvrf jbhyq snvy gb cebqhpr gurve gerngzrag- fb gur gerngzrag jnf erny naq Wbryf pubvpr qrfgeblrq vg. Qba’g nireg lbhe rlrf.

        V’z abg niregvat zl rlrf. Gur ceboyrz vf gung, va gur svefg tnzr, lbh qvqa’g svaq nalguvat gung qrzbafgengrq gung gurl jrer nf tbbq nf gurl pynvzrq gb or. Fher, gurl jrer sbeguevtug gb Wbry, V thrff, ohg gurl qvqa’g gryy Ryyvr nobhg gur pbfgf bs gur cebprqher. Jura Ryyvr pnzr gb, fur unq gb nfx Wbry “Jung unccrarq?” naq Wbry unq ebbz gb yvr nobhg vg. Orpnhfr fur qvqa’g xabj.

        V’yy pbcl naq cnfgr guvf sebz Fbaal Ohapu’f erivrj:

        V jnf abg ng nyy fhecevfrq, gura, jura gur tnzr’f perngbe naq gur frevrf pb-fubjehaare Arvy Qehpxznaa fnvq va gur pbzcnavba cbqpnfg gung jura gurl grfgrq gur tnzr, gubfr jub qvqa’g unir xvqf jrer rirayl fcyvg ba Wbry’f zheqrebhf erfcbafr. Svsgl-svsgl, fbzr gubhtug ur jnf n ivyynva, fbzr flzcnguvmrq jvgu uvz. Gubfr jub unq xvqf?

        “N uhaqerq creprag jvgu mreb rkprcgvbaf gurl nterrq jvgu Wbry,” Qehpxznaa fnvq. “Mreb rkprcgvbaf.”

        Gurfr crbcyr nera’g niregvat gurve rlrf. Gurl’er frrvat fbzrguvat gung bayl unys bs gur puvyqyrff ner frrvat.Report