Seat George Santos and Send Him Packing

Sanford Horn

Sanford D. Horn is a writer and educator living in Westfield, IN. He is married with two daughters.

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  1. Pinky says:

    Any legitimately-elected representative has to be seated. The House has rules for expulsion, but I think those rules can be modified at the beginning of any Congress. I’m pretty sure he’d have to be seated, and a Speaker elected, before any effort to have him removed.Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to Pinky says:

      Yeah, there’s some SCOTUS case that held Congress can’t refuse to seat a member unless the election was somehow improperly held. Expulsion is in the Constitution and requires a two-thirds majority. And there has to be a Speaker before anything else can happen.

      Next week has the potential to be interesting.Report

  2. The only quick way to be rid of him is if he doesn’t meet the constitutional requirements:

    * 25 years old
    * a resident of New York state
    * a US citizen for 7 years

    AFAICT, the first two are unquestioned. Regarding his citizenship, I’ve seen nothing beyond speculation.Report

  3. CJColucci says:

    It’s not “the Democrat Party.”

    Otherwise, spot on.Report

    • Sanford Horn in reply to CJColucci says:

      Thank you, CJ.
      BTW, it actually IS the Democrat Party, not the Democratic Party; the latter simply SOUNDS better than the former when spoken aloud.Report

      • CJColucci in reply to Sanford Horn says:

        No. it isn’t. “Democrat Party,” like Bob Dole’s “Democrat Wars,” is a long-running Republican trope. It goes back long before your time.
        But to keep things within short-term memory, you might want to think about why actual, living, breathing Democrats don’t use it if it’s the real name of their party.Report

  4. Philip H says:

    This would work as a remedy, but I don’t think the GOP will go for it. McCarthy needs all 218 votes just to be elected speaker and he’s not going to do anything to add to the trouble he’s having getting those.

    It will be interesting to see if there are FEC violations as well.Report

    • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

      The article argues for Santos to be seated then expelled, and I pointed out specifically that it’d probably have to follow the choosing of the Speaker. So nothing about this would affect his chance at the Speakership.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

        He has reportedly agreed to lower the bar for a motion to vacate to 5 people Ada concession to win votes. If that comes to pass and santos is then up for expulsion I can see 5 hard right members moving to vacate. McCarthy is over a barrel of his own making and santos knows this.Report

  5. Chip Daniels says:

    The bigger story is the money. As in, where did it come from, who gave it to him, and what do they want in return. There are indications it came from Russian sources which is a huge red flag for anyone who might be exposed to sensitive information or be called upon to vote on matters of national security.Report

  6. John Puccio says:

    Santos has got to go, and he will. And I imagine when he sells the movie rights to his story he will insist on playing himself.

    Acting is clearly something he has experience in.Report

  7. North says:

    I want to just pull my hair and scream “How the fish did Democratic Party running against him miss all this during the run up to the election?!?!” and then I remember that we’re talking about the New York State Democratic Party and I sigh in resigned understanding.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to North says:

      This screams a bit of Murc’s law (aka only Democrats have agency.) There was an 87-page opposition paper on the guy that covered a lot of this stuff and the Democratic candidate tried to bring it up but he got no traction with Newsday (the major Long Island paper), The New York Times (their provincialism against the suburbs probably paid apart of this). The only paper that really paid attention was a small local one called the North Shore Ledger which stated that they wanted to endorse a Republican but could not endorse Santos. FWIW, the North Shore Ledger is published out of Locust Valley I believe. This is an NY suburb where the public school superintendent makes 336K a year. Also FWIW, my hometown is in this district and the public school superintendent makes 400K a year according to Google.

      As someone who grew up here, let me try to explain some things:

      1. Long Island was a Republican stronghold from 1946 to the 2000s and significant parts of Long Island remained Republican strongholds. My district always had Democratic representation but plenty of other spots of the Island remained Republican strongholds. After all, Peter King and Lee Zeldin were from Long Island.

      2. The New York Democratic Party and New York Democrats remain a very different beasts and people than Democrats on say the west coast or Massachusetts. Tammany Hall is dead but there are still remnants of the old machine alive and many people get positions largely through a system of loyalty from an early age, connections, and patronage. The progressive era reforms and recoil against such practices were always stronger in the upper Midwest and west of the Rockies. Another example seems to be Hochul’s attempt to appoint an anti-abortion, anti-union person to the New York Court of Appeals just because he his hispanic. This seems to have backfired but it was her instinct to go for awarding a constituency.

      3. New York suburbanites have more of an antagonistic relationship with NYC than suburbanites on the West Coast do with their cities. Many west coast suburbs are often small cities/economies onto themselves. NYC’s suburbs are more traditional bedroom communities.

      4. New York’s suburbs might be one of the few areas where “socially liberal, economically conservative” is actually a majority position. You can’t be a holly roller kind of firebrand around NYC. The white evangelical/megachurch community was never that strong. You won’t get far with anti-abortion politics or out and out gaybashing. However, discussion of systematic racism will not go very far either and there is still a strain of Catholic parochialism. There is also a large Jewish population which acts a bit too reflexively on any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic.

      In terms of economics, see the note on school district superintendent policies. These are Democrats but they want to maintain advantages as upper-middle class professionals and are very competitive about getting their children into top colleges and universities. Remember, in and around New York, the large state universities are seen as second-rate at best. They do not have the reputation of other landgrants like Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Oregon, or Washington. Just going to the large state university is seen as a bit of a failure. NY-3 parents take pride in punching above weight for college admission.

      Basically, for various reasons, real and imagined, the “red wave” that failed to materialize nearly everywhere else worked in New York more than it did not. There was enough of a Democratic push to keep the state government in Democratic hands. However, fears about “crime” played well in the suburbs of NYC and the press thought there was not a chance Santos would win even given all the talk of a red wave.

      Hope this helps.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        Regarding 2, people from outside the North East in general and New York in particular really don’t understand that the politics is very transactional and there is a big let’s make a deal culture. Even in areas where let’s make a deal shouldn’t technically apply, you have it because of New York political culture. When I did immigration law in New York, the New York Immigration Court definitely had a lets make a deal culture of giving lesser status to sympathetic but legally hard cases as an opening compromise position. Many times the Immigration Judges would suggest this to both DHS and the Immigrant’s lawyer. This doesn’t really happen in San Francisco Immigration Court despite that also being a very pro-immigration court. Outside the NE, I’d never been with an immigration judge who suggested something as a course of action from the start even if they were very pro-immigrant.Report

        • Philip H in reply to LeeEsq says:

          That transactional thing explains a lot – including Trump. Wonder if they will want their next transaction to be a recall since he got egg all over their collective faces.Report

  8. Philip H says:

    This guy just gets worse by the day. One hopes there’s work being done to recall him.

    Republican Rep.-elect George Santos admitted to stealing a man’s checkbook that was in his mother’s possession to purchase clothing and shoes in 2008, according to documents obtained by CNN.

    The admission came in a statement Santos gave to police in 2010, according to 150 pages worth of case documents.

    Police had suspended an investigation into Santos because they were unable to find him for nearly a decade. But law enforcement officials in Brazil will reinstate fraud charges against the New York Republican, CNN reported Tuesday.

    Santos used stolen checks to make purchases at a shop in Niterói, a city outside of Rio de Janeiro on June 17, 2008, according to court documents. When making the purchase, he used an ID card with the checkbook owner’s name and a picture of himself, according to police documents.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/04/politics/george-santos-stolen-checks-brazil/index.htmlReport