The UN: What’s the Bloody Point?
In what universe is the UN a helpful organization?
I posit it isn’t just worthless to America, but it is worse than useless. The US pays around 22% of its operating budget, so what do we get? Nothing of value. The UN has become a bunch of nations arguing themselves into pretzel knots to avoid confronting the clearly evil bastards among them. Diplomacy with the desire to avoid war at all costs means we let psychopaths continue to terrorize their own people, with endless rapes, tortures, and murders, with some light genocide thrown in. If the country isn’t Israel, the UN is lo to criticize it; because the UN is stuffed to the gills with criticism of Israel. Noam Chomsky taught them well.
The pointlessness that Team America: World Police righteously mocked has countless examples, some very recently. The Taliban has taken over the Afghani government, installing at least one member of al Qaeda within the cabinet. While the Taliban goes door to door to find people who helped our now wasted mission in Afghanistan, the UN is criticizing the lack of inclusivity and diversity in the leadership structure of this new government. Oh, the organization that shoots women in the street for dressing “immodestly” didn’t put any women in their government leadership? Shocking. The Taliban is evil, plain and simple. But the UN doesn’t really care about that. Evil is one thing, but lack of diversity is a bridge too far!
But what does the UN really accomplish? Bad actors on the global stage get to hide behind the UN security council when China and/or Russia, who both have veto power (as does the US) to keep the harshest criticisms from landing on targets that deserve it. American liberals seem to like the UN, much like their fondness for Europe, but what does it actually do? The International Criminal Court is in the same boat. While it is an organization the US does not recognize the authority of, the ICC is similar in that no country would belong to it if the ICC’s interests clashed with its own. When it isn’t passing judgments against countries that couldn’t care less, it is mostly used to try captured war criminals to give the leaders of those countries cover to imprison their enemies. If a judgment was laid down that a country disagreed with, that country would just pull out of the ICC, leaving the ICC to twist in the wind. The UN, like the ICC, lacks an enforcement mechanism if the country targeted is opposed to it. All those resolutions passed against Israel result in bupkis within Israel.
Bad actors depend on collective global apathy, even if they try to extend their reach beyond their borders. Various awful regimes are merely sponsored states of worse countries. Iran has Hezbollah in Lebanon; China has North Korea. Multiple awful governments prop up the leadership in Cuba and Venezuela. While Eddie Izzard was mostly correct in pointing out that as long as a horrible leader kills merely his own people, the rest of the world will largely leave him alone, this didn’t stop Putin from annexing Crimea. Or prevent China from doing all that bad business in Hong Kong and the South China Sea. To say nothing of the CCP’s continual threats directed at Taiwan. Which is an independent country, by the way.
And those UN peacekeepers? They rape more children than Catholic priests! It has its own Wikipedia page! More than 100 UN peacekeepers ran a child sex ring in Haiti for over 10 years! Over 2,000 claims of sexual abuse! No one even went to jail for it! And that’s not even the only country it happened in! Claims of child sexual abuse, torture, and trafficking proliferate in several other countries these peacekeepers go to. How hasn’t that organization within the UN been burned to the ground and the ashes salted? Only in international diplomacy (and organized religion, to be fair) would such a publicly known scandal lead to zero consequences for anybody.
The creation of the UN had good intentions, but what’s the bloody point? Avoiding war is a reasonable position, but war is inevitable. You have to actually back up harsh criticism with clear-eyed action. Sometimes, that means war. We must confront evil instead of pretending it doesn’t exist and hope the problems dissipate like rain on a sunny day. Bad actors all over the world, those with either world domination or world obliteration aims, continue to proliferate and always will. Human nature will not be tamed by the misguided righteous. Iran, North Korea, Turkey, and Venezuela, along with countless international or regional terrorist organizations, are all suicidal to various degrees while China (and Russia to a minor degree) clearly wants to dominate the world with glorious CCP-style communism. Isolating countries with horrible intentions is what we should be doing, not continuing to let the succor of cheap goods from said countries lull us into a false sense of security. Opening China did not liberalize its view of civil liberties. Giving Russia access to worldwide oil markets has not made Putin any less a murdering scumbag. The UN is a doormat for the awful.
The US should pull out of the UN. We get nothing functionally useful out of it. Turn the UN HQ in NYC into low-income housing. But, of course, limousine liberals would hate both of those things.
You can’t do that! That’s prime waterfront real estate, you can’t waste that on low income housing!
Unless, of course, it’s a flood plain, then it’s just fine for low income housing.
Oh, wait, we weren’t talking about housing, never mind.
PS I agree, the UN is useless. All those baby blue helmets and white APCs I saw in Somalia were a joke.Report
Going through international affairs with swords drawn didn’t really work out that well in the past.Report
Chesterton’s fence.Report
From what I understand, the UN’s benefits are unseen rather than nonexistent.
Two ambassadors having tea and conversations result in three ambassadors having tea and conversations and then, next thing you know, there isn’t a war. A trade deal is softened here, hardened there, and now it goes through when it wouldn’t have before.
The whole “Let’s put Afghanistan on the UN Womens’ Rights Council!” thing is silly but it’s not one of the things that would ever or could ever result in change. It’s the meeting over tea in one of the offices there.Report
I have no issue with the UN being a diplomatic debate club. That’s a useful goal. What is a problem is… well, a lot, but I have two primary issues:
1) The veto power of the security council means the security council is utterly useless.
2) The UN should have zero ability to put armed boots on the ground. The UN has zero capability to maintain the discipline of said forces, and too often, the militaries providing said forces don’t bother trying to maintain any kind of discipline.Report
That veto power keeps the UN alive.
Most of the UN aren’t liberal democracies and only believe in the rule of law when it’s in their favor.
Without veto abilities we’d have an extremely different UN. It’d vote to dismantle Israel, subject the US to war crimes trials, and various other weaponizations of the process.Report
But it also neuters the security council, which calls into question the whole point of the SC.Report
This is a feature, not a bug.
If the SC orders Russia to give back the land it stole and Russia tells them to go to hell, what happens? Ditto if China is ordered to treat it’s citizens better, or if the USA was ordered to not invade Iraq after 911?
The Veto prevents the SC from doing things it can’t possibly enforce.Report
Again, then what is the point of the SC?Report
If all the big players agree that something should be done, then it will be done and the SC gives a legal fig-leaf for that.
So when Saddam told the SC to go to hell right before Gulf War 1, he should have understood what was going to happen. Ideally he gives back that country without having his economy shattered via war.Report
IMHO, a single point veto is bad. Hell, these days, we could have a planet killer asteroid heading for earth, and someone on the SC would veto any proposal for the UN to take action.
On the other hand, getting 8 yea’s over 7 nay’s shouldn’t carry the day either.
I see no problem with it being a super majority question (say, 11 to 4).
Although that still hits my second point, that the UN should not be permitted to have command of any type over troops.Report
So when 11 Dictators decide that the US military should be “held accountable for war crimes” by having our troops “tried” by the UN (which in practice might mean those Dictators), what happens?
Or when those same dictators decide that Israel shouldn’t exist?
IMHO this quickly results in the SC having a lot less power.Report
How many dictatorships sit on the security council?Report
If you look at it as a question of which countries have the actual capability to project military power globally or close to it I think it’s held up pretty well, even with GB and France losing their empires.Report
For the 5 permanent members, yes.
For the other 10…?Report
Whether it was designed this way or not I don’t know but I see it in practice as operating as a concession to reality. It’s worth hearing and even respecting the perspective of other powers but the votes of those who can’t affirmatively do anything or more importantly step in to stop something they disagree with matters less than the votes/vetoes of those that can.
If other countries develop real expeditionary power and influence outside of the regions where they are located it may become a serious problem but we aren’t there yet. For now it’s just rich countries who won’t fight (Japan, Germany) or that will fight but are too poor and/or wrapped up in their own regional issues to think and act globally (India and Pakistan for example).Report
I think it was one of the things that Stalin needed to get him to agree to show up.Report
The UN has proved to be useless, but sure, let’s keep it around for diplomats to have tea and chat. Just as long was the US cuts its contribution down to say, 5% of the budget. That’s about the % of the us population vs the rest of the world.Report
We are 15% of the world’s GDP.Report
Someone’s got to do the things the ITU, IAEA, and WHO does. Only UN member states can be voting members of the ITU which, among other things, regulates satellite orbital allocations.Report
“Evil is one thing, but lack of diversity is a bridge too far!”
I don’t understand the complaints about this from the right. I think it’d be great if the left had more principles, but they currently have one, and the Taliban is violating it. Good on the left for recognizing it. Any port in a storm.Report
Re “sychopaths continue to terrorize their own people”…
The world is governed and terrorized by psychopaths and the UN is one of their tools in those efforts. But the fact that a bunch of psychopaths rule is only ONE part of the equation. The true, WHOLE, but “politically inconvenient” and “culturally forbidden” reality is more encompassing. Read “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room –The Holocaustal Covid-19 Coronavirus Madness: A Sociological Perspective & Historical Assessment Of The Covid “Phenomenon”” by Rolf Hefti at https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html
Without a proper understanding, and full acknowledgment, of the true WHOLE problem and reality, no real constructive LASTING change is possible.Report