Game of Thrones: Everyone in Westeros is Gonna Die

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  1. Brandon Berg says:

    As noted in the article you linked, rabbit starvation is caused by eating a diet very high in protein and low in fat and carbohydrates. If you get enough fat and eat the organs, you can survive on animal parts alone.

    I do wonder whether there’s a plausible scientific explanation for how winters of greatly varying lengths could occur. Also, how are years defined in Westeros if seasons vary greatly in length?Report

    • Brent F in reply to Brandon Berg says:

      Word from the author is its not scientific at all, its a consequence of the settings magic. Which is why it doesn’t seem to be winter any more after the Walkers are killed.Report

    • North in reply to Brandon Berg says:

      Yeah Martin was kind of vague on this. One can presume that day length and sun angle remains consistent as the astrological ‘seasons’ vary but that the climate seasons move the baseline.
      It’s always been the weakest part of GoT in my mind because a society in which that kind of seasons occurred would look, in my mind, almost nothing like what we’d consider recognizably medieval. The necessities of food storage and heating preparations would be astronomical. Individualized farming strikes me as being almost impossible. Their community units would have to be massively more communal.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Brandon Berg says:

      plausible scientific explanation for how winters of greatly varying lengths could occur.

      1) Elliptical orbit.
      2) Multiple suns resulting is an extremely complex (but repeating orbit).

      Both of these probably result in temperature extremes making the planet not livable but “magic”.

      3) Virtual Reality setup where the basic rules of reality are optional.

      This is close to “god does it”.

      4) Fallen High tech. I.e. there was a high tech civilization which had climate control and the remains of that tech still manages that but everything else has regressed.

      This somewhat works if the humans aren’t native to the planet and only showed up something like 12+k years ago. The humans presumably needed high tech to get there, the remains of that high tech are now called “magic”, and that includes organic weapons like “dragons”.

      For the long winters, every century or two the technology needs to recharge or cycle or something.

      The series deliberately makes it unclear, if humans didn’t start on this planet then that predates even oral tradition. There is room for this, there were other races here which predate humanity and humans coming and then instantly ending up in a bloody war is certainly possible.

      Or it could just be that climate change was a weapon of the White Walkers and without them there is no winter. That doesn’t really match up with the timeline, the Starks motto of “Winter is Coming” implies a more recent history than 8k years ago.Report

  2. Dark Matter says:

    The zombies didn’t leave women and children so everyone they ran into is already dead and won’t starve. That removes at least one city on camera and maybe others off camera.

    It’s not clear if everywhere, even in a multi-year really bad winter, will see snow. I vaguely remember a drop phrase in Book 1 which suggested that, but it’s been a while and I wouldn’t trust any of the characters to know definitely.

    It’s possible their farmers are productive enough that even a serious reduction in land still leaves them with enough. Or Bran could magically steal farm productivity methods from the future. If memory serves the invention of the wheel barrow tripled farm productivity… and that happened centuries after both the box and the wheel had both been invented.

    Ideally the “South” grows food and gives/sells it to the North… although it’s easy to picture a starving North invading the South.

    Having said that, my expectation is the winter will kill more people than the war or the zombies. And then we’ll have another century of good weather and people will forget why “Winter is Coming” is a house phrase.Report

  3. Mike Schilling says:

    If there’s an answer (and there really isn’t), it’s that the long winters were caused by the Others, so Arya saved the world in yet another way.

    In book-world, the only part of Westeros that’s really screwed is the Riverlands, where the Lannister arms have been burning all the fields and granaries they could find. But with the Tullys gone and the Freys in charge, they’ll get some aid from King’s Landing. Well, depending on who’s in charge. Tywin would do the smart thing and try to pacify the Riverlands, but Tommen’s a kid and it wouldn’t occur to Cersei in a million years.

    The North hasn’t been devastated by war, except in places like Winterfell. If preparing for Winter is done locally, they’re fine. If they’re expecting help from Winterfell, again the leadership matters. Roose would do the right thing because avoiding unrest is smart. (He might condition aid on the loyalty of the local nobles.) Ramsay, like Cersei, would never do anything public-spirited.Report