Game of Thrones: The Cool is Not Enough
One of my favorite OT pieces of 2020 was Mike Siegel’s recent piece on Star Wars, Star Wars And the Rule of Cool.
The upshot of Mike’s argument is this – we are willing to suspend our disbelief in an improbable fictional universe if the stuff we’re seeing on the screen is cool enough.
TV Tropes puts it this way:
The limit of the Willing Suspension of Disbelief for a given element is directly proportional to its awesomeness.
And I mostly agree. While Mike already discussed the technical details in his piece, I find the Willing Suspension of Disbelief stretches farther, into things like wardrobe choices, distances crossed, character personal hygiene, their physical endurance, and the passage of time.
Since Mike used The Empire Strikes Back, I will too. Did you ever notice that although Han and Leia are taking however long to get to the Bespin Mining Colony, for some reason, when they get there, they’re wearing the exact same clothes? Yet during the same time period Luke undergoes his Jedi training with Yoda…and I mean, that’s got to have taken weeks, at least ~A~ week, right? And Han and Leia didn’t change clothes, not even once? Then somehow at the end of the movie, immediately after the action, Lando is wearing Han’s clothes, even though Han was frozen in them. Does Han have closets full of matching clothes on board the Falcon somewhere? And like, did Lando spill blue milk all over his original clothes or what?
It doesn’t make sense, any sense at all, and yet I don’t care. I don’t care how long Leia and Han were in transit. I don’t care what clothes they were wearing. I don’t care if they really needed a shower or what they were eating in the interim. Everything else carries me past those minor nitpicks and curiosities. The magic still works. None of those minor details prevent The Empire Strikes Back from being my fave Star Wars movie by a country parsec and in fact one of my favorite movies ever.
But I am of the opinion it is not truly coolness that matters. The reason I don’t believe in “The Rule of Cool” is because I have seen too many programs in which The Rule of Cool was strictly applied, and yet it still sucks. I call this “The Cool Is Not Enough” factor (maybe there’s an already-coined term in use for this, but I couldn’t find one. Hit me up in the comments if you know one.)
An overreliance on coolness is a plague on modern day storytelling. My quintessential example of The Cool is Not Enough is in the JJ Abrams reboots of Star Trek (let alone in the JJ Abrams reboots of Star Wars – PLEASE someone STOP THIS MONSTER).
You can just SEE the writing process as it occurred in JJ’s head. “You know what would be cool, is if Sulu had, like, these katana on his back, only they were, like, SPACE katana?” Or “You know what would be cool is if Kirk and Khan had to base jump from ship to ship, like, through SPACE?” Or perhaps worst of all, “What if Kirk had to ride a motorcycle for some reason, only it was a SPACE motorcycle”?
And these things ARE cool (ok not the motorcycle, in my opinion, that was just cringeworthy). But the problem is that JJ Abrams et al wrote the script NOT to tell a story about some characters engaging in a journey to overcome a series of obstacles in order to obtain a goal, but in order to string together a random series of cool images. So, every scene that WASN’T something cool, was simply a setup for something cool. There was no theme, no characters, no plot. Those things were sacrificed on the altar of coolness in a retroactive attempt to make a series of completely unrelated scenes hang together.
This is where I part company with Mike about the Rule of Cool. I don’t think people like The Empire Strikes Back because it’s “cool” – at least not ONLY for that reason. I think people like Empire because it tells a relatable human story against a backdrop of coolness. It is the relatable human story that grabs you and holds you and makes you forget all those minor inconveniences like impractical AT-ATs and the characters wearing the same clothes for weeks on end. It is not the cool stuff that works the magic, it’s the journey you take to GET to the cool stuff that makes you forget any missteps along the way.
If you put JJ Abrams charge of The Empire Strikes Back (and please don’t) you’d have a freaking train wreck. Like any train wreck, it may be very exciting at times, but the rest of the time you’re just sitting there bored out of your skull and wondering when you’ll get to the station because you have a lot of shit to do today.
The best use of cool stuff is as a punctuation mark. If you write a sentence that is incredibly boring, and you deliver it in a monotone voice, it doesn’t matter how many exclamation points you put at the end of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It still sucks. And in fiction, when stuff starts sucking, the audience’s minds start to wander, and they end up searching for things they can complain about, like exactly how long DID Luke train with Yoda for, anyway? A bored audience is a nitpicky audience, and you can’t rely on the occasional flashbang grenade to get them interested in an otherwise dull or nonsensical story.
But of course this is not a Star Wars or a Star Trek article. This is a Game of Thrones article. As most of us who watched GoT are all too aware, or will be by the time I finish this series, Game of Thrones started off pretty good – possibly even a contender for the best show ever, at least for horse and sword geeks like myself – and got terrible by the end.
What happened between Season 4 (awesome) and Season 8 (terrible) of Game of Thrones? Well, The Cool Was Not Enough. Once the GoT writers ran out of books and started to deviate from the story and characterization that GRRM laid out for them, all they had was cool stuff, strung together by very badly done exposition. Once they deviated from the published books, showrunners David Benioff and DB Weiss didn’t have the chops to pull it all off; evidently, they’re from the JJ Abrams school of storytelling.
As David Benioff once famously said, “Themes are for eighth grade book reports.” So too, apparently, is plot and characterization.
There are undoubtedly some wicked cool things that happen in the last half of Game of Thrones. (Viserion seriously OMG!) But in between those cool moments, what is there? There’s a setup for the next cool thing, and the next, and the next, with occasionally a lame joke tossed in – or should I say one joke, told so many times it becomes completely unfunny and not at all cute anymore (Tormund, Brienne just ain’t into you, bro. I don’t understand it either.)
Drama emanates from two things – plot and characters. Not just their existence as a means to an end, but in their interacting with each other (the plot affects the characters’ choices and behavior, and the characters’ choices and behavior affect the plot) over stakes that feel real and true. It doesn’t come from cool stuff, even if the cool stuff is superultramegacool.
Anyone who has ever seen a Fast and Furious movie will attest that the coolest stunts in the world get boring if there are no stakes. Same with anyone who has ever watched CGI dragons fighting other CGI dragons in a really bad snowstorm for reasons that are not entirely clear (and nor is the footage. Can the Lord of Light maybe swing by with a flashlight or something?)
Look, I like the dragons. I dig the concept. I get that we want the dragons to fight each other. But the reasons they’re fighting are not borne naturally from the story, they’re forced in there because the IDEA of dragons fighting is a cool one. And I really just did not care that much, when I should have been totally geeking out over it. I was like “oph, there’s flying dragons, fly fly fly, fight fight fight, and oops, someone fell off.” Contrast this with several moments of Breaking Bad, Daredevil, Buffy, pretty much every second of The Queen’s Gambit (in which people were playing the quiet and cerebral game of chess and it was more interesting by far than two dragons fighting, how is that even possible), and even moments of GoT earlier on where I was literally riveted to the screen and did not even actively inhale for several minutes (the Red Wedding, Joffrey’s death, when Melisandre pops out that weird demon thing that kills Renly and Brienne gets framed for it).
The Cool Is Not Enough. Especially since we’re all inundated by fictional coolness constantly, including widespread access to the coolness of the past. If I am not invested in what is happening in my fiction-of-choice, I can go watch any of 10,000 other options in which people are fighting with swords or spaceships or superpowers or yes, even flying dragons, and get a bunch of cool stuff strobe-effecting itself directly into my brain, accompanied by some plot and character development that I find so much more engaging.
How bad were the last couple of seasons of Game of Thrones? Some of the episodes were nearly entirely comprised of cutaway shots between people talking in one castle and people talking in another, all of them dedicated to the proposition of setting up something, like, SO TOTALLY COOL you guys. We counted them once for fun and there were fourteen shots in a row of people in one castle talking cutting away to a group of people in another castle talking. And they weren’t talking about anything interesting, oh no. They were saying “I think we should go to this other castle and talk some more there” and then the other people were saying “Hmm, I wonder what is happening in this other castle, perhaps we should build some ships to sail over there.” Then another castle came on the screen and the people in that castle said, “It is very important that we get the assistance of the people in the first castle.” Fourteen shots in a row of that before something cool happened, and the cool thing wasn’t even particularly cool. Then they went right back to talking again.
Now characters talking is not a bad thing, not a bad thing at all. As some of you guys know, I am a passionate fan of dialogue. I love it, I adore it, capturing the natural rhythms of how people actually talk on the page is pretty much my fave thing to do as a writer. Characters talking is not boring when it is done right. Characters mulling over their circumstances adds massive amounts of dramatic interest because it enables you to get into their heads and understand their motivations, their hopes and dreams and fears, to learn their history and their plans, so when things happen to them, you give a crap. Please do not take my criticism here against dialogue in shows. I love dialogue beyond any other form of exposition.
But on Game of Thrones, mind-bogglingly, oftentimes right when a character might have said a single thing even remotely of interest to me, unless it was directly linked to something “cool” happening, the scene ended like a soap opera, cutting away with a pregnant pause and a concerned facial reaction. Right when it got to the interesting part. My husband kept yelling at the TV again and again “BUT HOW DID THAT SCENE END!?” Imagine if you got to the part where Ygritte is supposed to say, “You know nothing, Jon Snow,” and rather than saying that, she just made a frowny face and there was a swell of dramatic music.
You don’t have to imagine, either Game of Thrones does it constantly in the last few seasons. The show cuts away not only when Jon tells Arya and Sansa he’s really a Targaryen, but also when Sansa tells Tyrion Jon is really a Targaryen. I wanted to know what happened! What was their reaction to that incredible news? Who knows? The writers punted when they should have took the ball in for the TD and spiked the hell out of it.
Not only did their soap opera approach to writing leave my curiosity unsatisfied, knowing how the characters reacted to any given revelation was of critical relevance to the plot. There is supposed to be some tension between these characters – they may betray each other, may be plotting against each other, may be trying to mislead each other. We are talking about a show whose entire purpose is people playing a game of intrigue, trying to win a throne by forging alliances. And yet we are allowed to see none of the game being played, being shown instead a much duller scene in which the same characters drily discuss their upcoming journey to Castle Wherever where they’ll have another discussion with some other character that will undoubtedly cut away right when they get to the good stuff.
Setup with no payoff is terrible!
But who cares, I guess; the cool had been established, and Benioff and Weiss decided we needed no more information. The characters’ motives were irrelevant, the reasons underlying the plot twists didn’t matter. All the writers were doing was trying to get from Cool Point A to Cool Point B using the barest minimum of scenes. And it showed.
Something we talk about a lot in writing is “fingerprints”. It’s a goal of most writers to keep their fingerprints – the mechanical underpinnings of their writing that are obvious to the audience, as unobtrusive as possible. Not style, mechanics. You can have a highly stylized work of fiction like Sin City or Breaking Bad or anything Quentin Tarantino or David Mamet ever wrote where the writer is practically a character themselves. I am talking about seeing the man (or woman, even though hardly any women wrote on Game of Thrones) behind the curtains pulling the strings, sending characters to this place or that on the thinnest of pretenses, relying on coincidence and deus ex machina to advance the plot instead of more elegant, less obvious solutions.
There were several fascinating arcs of both plot and character the writers of Game of Thrones sacrificed at the altar of The Rule of Cool. I could give literally 5000 examples without breaking a sweat but the worst of them, IMO, was “Cleganebowl”, in which brothers The Hound and The Mountain were supposed to fight each other.
Cleganebowl was originally a fan theory and I’ll admit, as originally envisioned by Redditors, a clever one; the idea was that Cersei, rather than blowing up the Sept of Baelor, would get her desired trial by combat. The Hound, who had recently gotten religion, kinda sorta, would fight for the Church, and the Mountain would fight for Cersei. That would have been cool, I admit. But the way the GoT writers did it was AWFUL.
If setup with no payoff is terrible, payoff with no setup is even terrible-r.
After spending the entire show sending the Hound on a redemptive arc in which he learns, somewhat, to overcome the demons of his past, including the abuses of his bullying brother, and ends up as a somewhat inspirational figure to Arya Stark in terms of overcoming old vendettas, and had a pretty intense relationship with Sansa as well but apparently everyone must’ve forgotten that even though it is critically important in the books, the writers inexplicably send the Hound back to King’s Landing to take on his brother…why exactly? Well, because some people thought it would be cool, and David Benioff and DB Weiss weren’t telling a story in which interesting characters did interesting things in ways that told a coherent story, they were simply stringing together a chain of scenes they thought would be cool.
Now, I can envision lots of scenarios where getting those two crazy kids together would have made a lot of sense. If I had to pick one, I would have had Cersei slyly fulfill her promise to send help to Winterfell when the Night King was coming, by sending ONLY the Mountain rather than the rest of her army. Then, rather than having the Hound run around Winterfell pointlessly to help Mary Sue…er, I mean, Arya, the Hound and the Mountain could’ve been facing off in the middle of the chaos. The Mountain would be invisible to the white walkers (since he wasn’t exactly quite alive himself) and the Hound would be contending with not only the Mountain but the white walkers too, and in addition his paralyzing fear of fire. Let Beric and Melisandre get Arya where she needed to be rather than wasting them utterly, and let the Cleganebowl commence.
That would have been cool, too, and it would have made more sense with the plot and the characters. It’s not how I would personally have done it, but if you gotta have a Cleganebowl, that would have worked way better than what they did – both in terms of the character development they spent several seasons investing in, only to kill the Hound off anyway in a way that undid all the personal progress he made towards being…well, not a good person, exactly, but certainly less bad…and also in terms of the Battle at Winterfell, which was widely and rightfully loathed.
Look, cool is awesome, and there is a lot of cool stuff in Game of Thrones, even the less-good episodes.
If you doubt it, cue up this clip to :30 and enjoy.
Great moment, awesome, I love it, how can you not love that, but it’s the high point of what is considered by many the worst episode of GoT ever filmed (though they are wrong, it’s totally the Winterfell one) and it lasts all of two seconds.
The Cool Is Not Enough. Cool cannot exist in isolation. Cool must be supported by a good plot and good characters and an overarching theme or you may as well watch YouTube videos of explosions set to Rob Zombie music. The coolest stuff in the world matters not if you aren’t pulled into the story and you don’t give a rat’s ass about the characters. If you aren’t drawn into the universe the writers are creating, you’re gonna see too many fingerprints in between the outbreaks of cool to be able to suspend your disbelief.
Coolness is like Axe Body Spray. A little is ok, even good sometimes. But if it’s all you have to offer, it just assaults the senses without turning anybody’s crank.
Zomg that link! It burns! Especially considering that the written portion of GoT (and the good portion of the show that was faithful to it) hinged very heavily on the enormous difficulty of taking a well manned castle with a large army. Riverrun and Storm’s End both held out for months in the beginning of the show and nailed down enormous armies in grueling sieges but Winterfell fell in the course of an hour to an army that literally was barely capable of strategy beyond “shuffle at the walls”.
And if anyone wishes to say “oh but those were magic zombies!” let us not forget Highgarden which was heavily manned, impeccably provisioned, girdled around with massive walls and was fully aware that Jaime Lannister advancing on them with a Lannister army (queue Lady Olenna looking anxiously at them miles away from atop her towers) and yet fell without even a single minute of explanation as to how this feat was accomplished. The corpse of Tywin Lannister pops up to say “Hey son, this magic seige cracking pixie dust of yours would have been handy a couple years earlier in the Riverlands yo.”
The teleporting of massed armies over distance, the theft, burning and magical resurrections of entire forests of wooden ships and the sheer intel that the bad guys were routinely furnished boggles the mind. Did Ramsay have a CIA drone team monitoring his enemies movements? Did Cersei and Euron have spies in place with CB radios or something to inform them of where the fleets and air forces of their enemies were headed? What the hell?
Great article Kristin.Report
GREAT POINT about Winterfell. I can rant about the Winterfell battle for hours but hadn’t even considered that aspect of it.
The Highgarden thing is made even worse by then the installation of Bronn as the lord of Highgarden and all of a sudden he’s the most powerful man in Westeros, with money and resources galore. Do they expect us to believe that Highgarden was easily defeated but somehow wasn’t completely destroyed in the process?
I’m like, if Highgarden was so powerful, why did it fall so easily considering the Lannisters had been really decimated by several big losses along the way?Report
Exactly. It’s.. barely.. conceivable that the Tyrells wouldn’t have fared well in the field. They had a lot of soldiers but not a lot of commanders and the soldiers were green whereas the Lannister forces were very very experienced with very seasoned commanders so, maybe, in an open engagement the Tyrells, despite having overwhelming numerical superiority could have lost.
But sieging Highgarden? You don’t need to be seasoned to shoot arrows, throw rocks or push ladders off walls. Jamie Lannister shouldn’t have been able to take High Garden at all, let alone quickly. No matter how much more experienced his soldiers were. By the time Daeny showed up on her dragons Lady Olenna wouldn’t have even have been running low on grapes. She could have toasted marshmallows off the walls of High Garden while the Mother of Dragons burned the Lannisters in their trenches.
But oh no, it’s only cool if the good guys are desperate and the odds aren’t in their favor so we need magic mumble mumble something to eliminate High Garden.Report
Great point about the alliance with Dany as well. And the Dornish, who could have come over the mountains and pinched the Lannisters between them and Highgarden.Report
Quite so. Heck, a quick google search reminds me that High Garden has river access to the sea. Without naval support you -couldn’t- siege that castle. There’s literally no explanation as to how Jamie Lannister took the castle. It showed Olenna fretting as she looked at his army coming on and then next scene Jamie walked into her room and she asked sadly if her people even put up a fight.
It’s like you said: Benioff thought the scene where Olenna says “tell Cersei, I want her to know it was me” would be cool. So they simply handwaved every step in between away so that the scene could occur.Report
Yes, as if her people – after seeing the Lannisters imprison (by manipulating the church) and then explode the beloved Margaery and Loras, would have just laid down arms without a fight at all. They would have wanted to destroy the Lannisters from revenge and probably would have been willing to fight to the bitter end to do it. If not, that should have been set up SOMEHOW.
And you know what, the thing that sucks is, that was a cool scene, and I liked it. But honestly what was even the result of it? did anything change? It just seemed like a will of the wisp of no consequence whatsoever.Report
It was a cool scene but, honestly, let’s give credit where it’s due: to the exquisite and incredibly skilled Diana Rigg who made the character and also sold that scene.
In narrative and writing terms it was utter garbage. It is a testament to Diana Riggs’ skill that she could spin that straw into gold. Which just feeds back to another of your points: the initial casting was very well done.Report
YES!Report
In the books (though this is inadequately fleshed out in the show IMO) Renly Baratheon is dangerous because he has the men and resources of Highgarden courtesy of Loras Tyrell. 80,000 men, and supposedly that was only what Highgarden could SPARE. That’s why Stannis had to resort to magic, because he could never have beaten Renly otherwise thanks to Highgarden.
No effin way could Jaime easily stroll into Highgarden with the Lannister armies after fighting Robb Stark, Stannis, and the Brotherhood (who had been harrying the Lannister army for years by that point)Report
Yes, exactly, like in the books the general understanding was that if Highgarden made common cause with any of the Lannisters other foes the Lannisters would be finished. Catelyn rode across the whole Kingdom to treat with Renly for that exact reason.Report
I have visions of Benioff and Weiss in a meeting with the assistant writers before starting the last two seasons and telling them, “Here’s the outline. The Starks win. The Lannisters lose. Most of the rest of the interesting characters die or wander aimlessly away. Keep Tyrion because Dinklage’s fans will kill us otherwise. There’s a huge budget for effects. We won’t see you much because we’ve got new projects. Carry on.”
Despite James K’s arguments about what A Song of Ice and Fire was going to be, I think George R. R. Martin has written himself into a corner: the books have been so successful that the publishers are insisting he deliver the tropes the readers want.Report
I would love to know what’s going on in GRRM’s head right now. I fully believe that SOMETHING has upended his apple cart. Whether it’s corporate meddling, fan service, or as some speculate, the opposite of fan service, where he wants to flummox the fans and give them nothing they want so ends up having to rewrite the entire thing whenever a fan theory predicts something he had planned, I don’t know, but it’s obvious the dude has hit some sort of wall and can’t get over it. I understand writer’s block and nerves about living up to expectations but this feels different to me.
As for Benioff and Weiss, I’m sure you know this already Michael but for those who don’t, my research seems to indicate they only ever saw GoT as a means to an end – it wasn’t a property they particularly loved, and clearly did not even understand the appeal of it. They were very possibly being given a chance at the Star Wars universe and so they rushed through the last few seasons of GoT so they could work on that, but then in a delicious twist of irony did such a poor job of GoT that they ended up losing their shot at Star Wars too. Then, as if we all didn’t know already they saw GoT not as their end game but as their fallback plan, they tried to come up with a GoT spinoff and everyone was like “nah”.
Dudes blinded by ambition into making stupid short sighted decisions that cost them everything. IDK it’s almost something GRRM could have written.Report
I think we’ve seen this before. Robert Jordan suffered the exact same thing with the Wheel of time. It’s, in my opinion, the opposite of corporate meddling. It is terrible terrible freedom!
When the author gets past a certain level of popularity the corporate suits say “What he does works, whatever he says goes” and that means the editors are suddenly neutralized or powerless. There is no one on the phone saying “Robert/George do you need to add these new characters? What is the point of this new plot wrinkle? I know this new area/culture is cool but how do they advance your overarching story?” So every notion the author has simply goes into the story.
You see this in both Martin and Jordan’s later books. New characters and developments multiply but every new character and avenue you add has to be advanced as the entire story advances. It’s like adding more and more sleds behind the same team of dogs. Martin and Jordan can still write as much as they can write but now everything they write they have to say “Oh how does this impact all these new angles?”: the story goes slower and slower and writing it becomes more and more miserable. Also now that they’re rich and famous the allure of new, fresh stories sings in their ears- shorn of the very complexities they added. They don’t need to do it to make their next mortgage payment.
Robert Jordan died before he finished Wheel of Time. The suits and his estate brought in a ghost writer. The first thing they did was shear off, like, all but a few of the unimportant newer characters and then wrote the story to a close. It sucked.
I fear George is going to follow the same bleak path. I suspect he genuinely hates writing on the core novel set now.Report
Once something becomes a hit that makes money it’s hard to keep it from becoming a vehicle. That can manifest in a few ways from suits making money to creator vanity to other creative types using it as a means for their own ideas and advancement. None of these are incompatible with creating something good but once that happens it becomes easy to lose sight of the actual quality of the end product.Report
It is so hard for me with those two because they came along in my life right when I was formulating my thoughts on writing. Each of them taught me a huge amount about writing both in their moments of perfection, but also in their excesses. I am not a dummy but I literally cannot track in my brain some of the stuff that happens in the books, GoT in particular (Jordan was better at letting you get to know the extraneous characters, IMO, while Martin just basically expends a paragraph laying out some sort of genealogy that I tend to skip over just like those chapters in the Bible where everyone is begatting everyone.).
That’s been one of the nice things about rereading it since I watched the show, I can follow the secondary characters better. But portions of the GoT books are very nearly unreadable to me because I’m just like, “yeah yeah yeah, Glovers and Cerwins and Umbers, but what is happening to Sansa right now”Report
A few years back it was reported that David Weber had some serious health problems. Rather than pressing on in his previous style, he wound up both the then-current Safehold saga and the main line of the Honor Harrington books in short order. In both cases, there was a jarring change of pace.Report
Wait, he finished them? Maybe I can finally read them.Report
For certain values of “finished.”Report
Yeah, the Safehold books ended…real quick. Then he wrote another, which ended on a cliffhanger?
And I dug the Safehold concept. The story was a bit contrived in order to hit the particular mechanism Weber wanted to write (“What if there was a world war that basically captured the technological development from about 1600 to the early 1900s over the course of the war?). Which is admittedly ALSO the Honor Harrington books, but that’s “space analogues”.
It’s shoehorned into a single generation of people for dubious reasons, but if you turn off certain parts of your brain and just go with the flow, you get a fun little ride through the evolution of a few hundred years of war — specifically the invention of “stuff that explodes reliably and the cool explosive things we can do with it” (it starts with unreliable gunpowder and musket-loaders and more or less ends with land mines, WW1 era rifles, etc)Report
I got through book for of Safehold, I think, before I started to tire of it. I had heard he had at least 4 more books planned for the series (maybe more) and I decided the payout wasn’t worth the effort.Report
Depends on how fast you read. To me they’re the sort of thing I read when I’m tired and, more specifically, want to be able to put down the book at bedtime.
Weber is very much, to me, beach reading. Mindless, enjoyable enough to pass the time, but not engrossing enough that I won’t put it down if anything comes up.
In short: I never pick up a Weber book and end up reading to 3:00AM unless I’m literally working the night shift. Nor do I recommend it to anyone who doesn’t want “I wanna see some stuff blow up, and sometimes 85 paragraphs about a specific type of gunpowder that is probably like..75% right?”Report
Back in the days when I had to do lots of business travel, before smartphones and tablets or even laptops were common, I always carried an “airplane novel.” Thick, paperback, easy-to-read prose, plot moved right along, didn’t require lots of thinking. Sanders’ Deadly Sins books, early Tom Clancy, Stephen King, the first batch of Honor Harrington, lots of others. I think I found Game of Thrones because I was looking for something waiting for the plane to load. Before I started thinning the book shelves in anticipation of downsizing, I had a fairly embarrassing number of these.Report
This is why very-longform writers should endeavor to make every individual storyline somewhat stand alone, just in case it cannot BE wrapped up for some reason.Report
See also David Weber and his Harrington books, or the Safehold books.Report
Fan service over everything is yet another internet borne disease.Report
The best thing in the world to me as a viewer is when the writers don’t give me what I want, but give me something better. I don’t know why so many other people prefer the fan service angle of it. :/Report
That resonates with me. I’m in the 3d season of Breaking Bad (please no spoilers!). At first, I didn’t like it, because I wanted Walter White’s descent to be more gradual instead of, basically, killing a guy in the pilot episode.
But….I like the show in a way I didn’t think I would from the pilot. It probably wouldn’t be the same show, or as gripping (for me) if they had written the story I wanted them to write. (That said, Walter White’s evil seems a bit too matter of course and sui generis to be believable to me, and that still bothers me a bit.)Report
Gabriel, stick with it. Over time you get just a few delicious hints of why it happened so easily.Report
Thanks. I gotta admit that the show is pretty intense, and I’ll have to take my time. Sometimes I’m exhausted after watching a couple episodes. (I mean that as a compliment to the show.)Report
It’s possible to make it “fan service”. It’s also possible to make it “paying the debt I owe”.
When we’re talking about spending one’s entertainment dollar and even more precious entertainment hour or three, it’s important to spend that money and that time on something that doesn’t make you say “I could have just watched Freejack again.”Report
Producers of entertainment don’t owe the fans anything more than a well crafted and entertaining story.
Anything for the fans is great, but has to be take a backseat to telling a good story.Report
And the lady who writes something that will get you to say “wow, this was so good, I’m going to buy it for my friends so they can enjoy it too!” will sell more copies than the guy who writes something that leaves you saying “I am sadder but wiser, like that guy at the end of Rime of the Ancient Mariner” will have fewer fans and it’ll be tougher to move product.
I mean: I went from watching people tell me “JAY YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS SHOW!” to watching people tell me “Ugh, just avoid it.”
I’ll avoid it. I mean, I still have Freejack over there on the shelf.Report
How does any of that relate to fan service?Report
It has to do with the whole issue of “one woman’s happy ending is another woman’s pandering”.
I am 100% down with being opposed to deus ex machina endings to the play where the mayor shows up, pardons the protagonist, and then he officiates a wedding to tie up the main sub-plot. Aristotle complained about that back… not at Civilization’s dawn, really, but at the time of Civilization getting a cup of coffee.
So I’m not demanding a happy ending no matter what.
I’m demanding an ending that is satisfying enough to get me to say “I’m pleased to have done *THIS* instead of *THAT*.”
Because, you know what? I’ve got Quantum Leap right over there and I can just watch that again and if your show ain’t better than Quantum Leap, why in the hell should I watch it?Report
Perhaps we having different working definitions of fan service?
For me, fan service is injecting characters, settings, relationships/conflicts, or McGuffins (or other plot elements) into a story because fans would enjoy it.
Done well, fan service is a treat.
Done poorly, it damages a property.Report
I was reading “fan service” as “trope delivery” rather than something like including Tom Bombadil in the director’s cut.Report
Bombadil was just a long (silly) way to introduce a blade. Even when I was in high school and reading it for the first time, I was all “Chekhov’s gun. If you’re going to spend that much time and effort getting that blade into the story, it better be important later.”Report
I liked how Bombadil didn’t give a dang about the ring. Picked it up, said “ooooh, you guys are in the middle of something really interesting! Good luck with that!” and gave the ring back without a moment’s hesitation.
It pointed out that, yeah, there were still parts of the world that were there before this silly ring business and will be there after the silly ring business is resolved. And humming a merry tune.Report
I’ve been following a guy who is going through Tolkien’s notes to reconstruct how he wrote the thing and that isn’t the case at all. Tom Bombadil is there because at that point in the story the hobbits need to be rescued by somebody because they’re neophyte adventurers. There was numerous iterations of who does the rescuing.
The sword being important in book three is an example of the author taking the opportunity to backfill what you previously wrote to make a more cohesive whole.
One thing reading about this that suprised me and I think is instructive is that as complex and detailed Tolkien’s worldbuilding is, the worldbuilding comes from fulfilling story needs and elements and histories come as needed to fulfill story beats. He didn’t imagine a world then wrote a story in it, he wrote an story and crafted the world it would take place in on the fly.Report
For what it’s worth I think you’re right about GRRM being stuck in his writing, I think that’s why the last season is so choppy. Martin can’t figure out how to get everything lined up for the end while maintaining the coherency of his setting an characters. Weiss and Benioff didn’t care about that and didn’t have time so they just forced it to fit.Report
Does Han have closets full of matching clothes on board the Falcon somewhere?
I have five pairs of jeans that are identical. Each was purchased at the same exact time.
I am wearing my favorite hoodie as I type this. I look down at it in sadness and wish that I had four more upstairs in the closet.
I think about Han owning multiple identical outfits and think “smart, I should do that” rather than something that nobody would do.
For what that’s worth.Report
In “Solo” there’s this scene where Han and IDK, Daenerys, that’s her name, right? are in Lando’s closet on the Falcon and he’s got tons of clothes in there. I joked to my husband that they should have had Han say “No one needs this many clothes, if I ever get rich I’m gonna have a closet with nothing but ten versions of the exact same outfit in it.”Report
And that would have made him even cooler.Report
The show’s quality crashed as its special effects budget increased. This is not a coincidence.Report
“This is where I part company with Mike about the Rule of Cool.”
I don’t think you are parting company with me. We’re still on the same rope! I absolutely agree. As I said in another post, I’m willing to suspend disbelief. But with the new Star Wars or the New Trek or other things, I see no reason why I *should*.
And 100% on Abrams. The Hobbit movies suffered from this as well: a focus on cool moments at the expense of plot.Report
Not to mention they took a tiny single children’s book and stretched it out over three fishing movies. No human would survive that kind of turn on the rack. It was a crime against literature and three absolutely garbage movies too.Report
The Desolation of Smaug struck me as something that was going to be awesome and it had some seriously cool stuff and then they said “COME BACK FOR THE HUGE CONCLUSION!” and the third movie took 10 minutes to kill Smaug.
And I still had 2 hours left.
Yep, those are 5 armies, alright.Report
I can’t say anything nice about any of those three movies. I really can’t. It’s probably a personal failing but I consider them entirely bereft of merit from root to branch. Desolation of the Dragon? You mean the Desolation of the Wyvern right? Grah!Report
The first two weren’t *BAD*. They were okay.
I mean, if you want *AWESOME*, you have to go back to Rankin-Bass. But I didn’t find the first two movies particularly baffling. “Oh, they put some cool Silmarillion stuff in here!”, I thought. “Poor Radagast.” “Dang, they’re sure giving Handsy the Orc a lot more screentime than he deserves…”
And then the third movie came up and it just kept going forever.Report
To each their own, I found all three brutally interminable, boring and overstuffed. A lot of people liked em though, so possibly it’s just a matter of taste.Report
The third was absolutely that. 100%.
It’s that the first two were pleasantly mediocre, full of spectacle, and went well with snack foods.Report
Bad fan service, putting Legolas in Hobbit in such a significant role, and giving him a romance.Report
Yes, this is exactly bad fan service.
(But I’d say it’s significantly different than having Gollum bite off Frodo’s finger and end up with the ring in the fires of Mount Doom.)Report
How is Frodo losing his finger fan service? It was in the book. Sure, the movie got the finger wrong, but Frodo still loses part of a finger.Report
There are those who think that a happy ending where everything works out (even if at a price) qualifies as “fan service” given that the real world usually has harsh lessons and mature works should reflect *THAT* instead of some feel-good “yay we won” ending.Report
That would be bad fan service.
Jackson staying true to the source material is not, to me, fan service. It’s merely adhering to the source as best as possible.
The Hobbit was largely bad fan service.
Luke and Ahsoka showing up in the Mandolorian is good fan service.Report
I suppose we wander into whether the original Lord of the Rings was fan service, then into whether it qualifies as fan service to not change the ending.Report
I won’t try to claim fan service was not possible in the 1940’s, but it certainly wasn’t as direct as it is in the age of social media.
Writing a set of sequels because a previous work was popular is base level fan service, I guess.Report
Even Shakespeare followed up Henry IV with Henry V and VI.Report
The first one was “Put some cool backstory in it.” The second one was “Make every action scene five times too long, add an inane Elf-Dwarf love story”, and “Process Benedict Cumberbatch’s voice to the point where it could be anybody’s.”
Don’t know what the third one was, and never will.Report
If you can watch the first 10 minutes or so of the third one, you should.
You know, just wrap that storyline up.Report
Then comes Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire?Report
The second Smaug exhales his last, turn the DVD off and think “wow! won’t it be awesome to finally meet Tom Bombadil! I understand that they got Brian Blessed to do it! And they digitally unaged him!”Report
“Not to mention they took a tiny single children’s book and stretched it out over three fishing movies.”
Which was actually in keeping with Tolkein’s plans for The Hobbit; when he realized how popular The Lord Of The Rings was, he started working on an epic re-write of his earlier work, with the goal of changing both style and scope to match his trilogy, adding character appearances and direct tie-ins rather than vague allusions that were retconned into being references. (People convinced him that this wouldn’t be very popular so he settled for rewriting Riddles In The Dark.)Report
That is fascinating but unsurprising; Tolkein was a prolific re-writer.Report
Which is why he never finished the Silmarillion; he just kept rewriting bits of it over and over.Report
Yes we are in agreement, please forgive me using you as a jumping off point in that way!!Report
This post reminds me of an older movie (from the 1980s) called “The Principal,” starring Jim Belushi. One of the scenes that the directors probably thought was supposed to be cool was when the principal (Belushi) rode his motorcycle up the stairs, into the school entrance, and down the hallway–to save a teacher who was being assaulted by a student.
Ick.
I mean, the movie was already mediocre (in my opinion), but that motorcycle scene didn’t sweeten the deal. I suppose it’s technically possible for someone to ride a motorcycle like that. But I just can’t believe anybody would.
I haven’t watched GoT, so I can’t really comment on that.Report
It might have been a reference to “Animal House”, where one of the frat members rides his motorcycle through the front door and up the stairs of the Delta house.Report
I hadn’t thought of that. (I saw Animal House once, but don’t remember the scene.)Report