Harsh Your Mellow Monday: Wailing and Gnashing of Teeth Edition
Welp, that was some week, and the weekend was just as nuts. As we start to careen into the Fourth of July holiday, we need to handle a bit of business from the week and weekend that was. Let’s get to it, this week’s edition of Harsh Your Mellow Monday.
Anecdotal Evidence, But Admissible
Having traversed from the Carolina house down in the pines back up to my mountain Up Yonder brought a few things into focus. Because it’s just how life works, immediately upon arriving in my hometown, I discovered what I thought was a fix for the laptop had, in fact, become a fatal wound. Thus, off to the only place in town where one can acquire high-end technology on short notice in a town of 2800 folks at 8pm on a Saturday night.
Off to Walmart.
I know this Walmart well. I worked here when it first opened, the large Gateway Supercenter having replaced the smaller one across the street 20-odd years ago. It’s a job I enjoyed so much that after 6 months of it I enlisted in the military just to get out of there. But it was a valuable interlude between the college dropout/thrown out and the turning around of my life that occurred some years later. It was also eventful, as I recounted with Ruby, who had been there nearly 30 years now she reminded me, going back to the original store. We swapped stories and “remember whens” as she checked me out at the electronics register, having scoured the secured shelves for the laptop I am now typing this on.
Good memories mostly, laughing as her much younger assistant, a teenager newon the job and just learning, listened with a mix of “did that really happen” and “when will these old people shut up?” Her eyes widened at the confirmation that yes, the now legendary story of the deer wounded by a car getting into the store and wreaking havoc really did happen. Until it was horse collared and brought down by three of us crashing through the set up outdoor display in front of the registers. Or the time someone whose name will be withheld punched out his arrogant, very obnoxious co-worker right in the middle of the store, leading to both getting fired on the spot. That was a long night, as it left just JJ and me to throw three more trucks in receiving short-handed. The list goes on, until she said what I knew was coming.
“But I’ve never seen anything like this.”
By “this” she meant the current social environment. Maybe, probably — definitely, if I’m honest – we were sheltered in the pre-millennium small West Virginia town, but the idea someone would walk in and cuss you out, spit on you, and throw stuff over not having an item, or social distance guidelines, or what have you would have been a foreign concept. Almost everyone here knows each other, to the point you walk into this Walmart as an out-of-towner – a frequent occurrence with a major highway and tourism in this area – and the locals will stare and look at you. They can tell. Just how it is. To the point that being gone more than being present the last 20 years means it takes a day or two for my accent to come back and even I are sometimes thought of as among but not of. Which makes what Ruby told me all the worse.
“I’ve been yelled at and cussed out just for wearing a mask at the store. It’s mandated, what do they think we will do, get fired over a mask?”
“We are hiring everyone that walks in and passes a drug test. Maybe 3 out of ten do. Then the half of those that actually work a shift usually last a week then quit after someone goes off on them.”
“I had someone I’ve known for 30 years throw stuff off the aisle at me because they didn’t like the guidelines.”
Over a month ago I wrote a piece over at Arc on masks, and it is – by far – the most reaction I’ve ever received for writing something. You get used to the odd troll or general-purpose jackasses sending you hate mail; that’s part of the deal. Vitriol from otherwise normal folks because you dare say something like “If you need to wear a mask wear a mask and don’t burn down civilization over it” was new. Someone I generally considered a respectable account blitzing me with “you have no idea what your talking about with ventilators” about a piece that included a photo of me on a ventilator just makes you shake your head in disbelief.
Even in my own extended family, having been on this land since before this was even a country, through revolutions, Civil War, depression, crushing poverty, tragedy, abuses of various kinds, how is it this is the great crisis that has folks fighting more than anything I’ve ever seen in my life?
Why, though? Why is this ripping folks apart so bad?
There is a scene in The Green Mile where Paul the prison guard in charge of the death row cell block is trying to talk some sense into Percy, the younger and vicious guard who is abusing everyone just for his own amusement.
Paul: “Men under strain can snap. Hurt themselves. Hurt others. That’s why our job is talking, not yelling. You’ll do better to think of this place like an intensive care ward in a hospital.”
Percy: “I think of it as a bucket of piss to drown rats in. That’s all. Anybody doesn’t like that can kiss my ass.”
Pressure and fear do strange things to folks. And make no mistake about it, most folks right now are under pressure of various kinds, and it is causing a lot of fear. Economic pressure, health pressure, societal pressure. Those political fringes that marinate in nothing but confirmation of their worst inclinations through technology that feeds their addiction better than any drug dealer rarely have their bubbles of isolation pierced.
But Covid did it faster and cleaner than any political movement. Viruses don’t care about your priors as a political observer, or your power structures as an elected official. It just comes. Crisis reveals character, and this crisis is revealing something about everyone from the president down to the cashiers and customers of small town Walmarts. When you can’t go to the store without being reminded of it, your kids can’t go to school, your actual in real life is interrupted, all the sudden your priors and ideology meet a reality check. Some folks are not fairing well with that reality.
Viral video and protests have done the same with issues surrounding policing, race, and how both communities and government have responded to it. Video is almost impossible to ignore in the modern age, and those folks who are very online have been confronted with a tsunami of videos of police behaving badly, chaos makers taking advantage of the situation to do their chaos and destruction thing, government that seems listless and worthless if not outright hostile, and the folks who actually want problems solved stuck somewhere in the middle. But you cannot ignore what is happening, unless you sequester yourself completely away, and such events demand you react. In many communities around the country actual real life is interrupted, and all the sudden your priors and ideology meet a reality check. Some folks are not faring well with that reality.
The pressure Paul was talking about, written ably by Stephen King and brought to life on film by Frank Darabont directing Tom Hanks in the role, was inevitability. The Green Mile was a play on “the last mile”, a nickname for the death row. It was a one-way mile. Once there the prisoners only left by way of the electric chair. The metaphorical and deeper meanings play out, but the lesson for this moment is obvious and universal: how do you react when faced with an inevitability you can’t control?
It’s going to get worse before it gets better. The shock of what looks to be a collapse of the school system that is going to be a mess of competing interests, public pressure, and a health crisis that does not seem inclined to be abating in time for back to school. Folks already economically hurting may be facing children home from school again, or some hybrid where they only go certain days of the week. Plans that sound great to health officials and government leaders sound impossible to working class folks trying to hold on to what income they have. The pending election in November is assured to be one of the highest volume and vitriolic we’ve had in some time. Covid doesn’t seem to be going anywhere anytime soon from the country or the news cycle, despite hopes that summer would see the virus being behind us.
The current pressure calls for talking not yelling. The country could well be viewed as an intensive care ward, a patient with many things wrong at once and no quick answer for them. The extremist is going to insist the country is a bucket of piss, and the opposing sides worst cases represent the whole of everyone that should be drowned in it. The latter will be loudest on social media, but they must be resisted, curtailed, and if necessary shouted down. Like Percy in The Green Mile, no matter what their reasoning their path is one that only leads to destruction, especially self-destruction. If you think no better of your fellow citizens than wishing destruction upon them, the problem isn’t society, or ideology, or even current events. The problem is one of your own soul, and beyond the means of your fellow man to fix for you. Not that those folks would let us. That would require more humility than they at present can muster.
Be more like Paul. We have enough Percys.
Landslides, Not Stevie Nicks Related
Just look at those headlines:
CNN: “Donald Trump is facing the possibility of a landslide loss”
Newsweek: “Trump’s dire week of polling show him heading for landslide loss”
Washington Examiner: “Democrats whisper: Biden landslide
National Journal: Prepare for Biden landslide
Nate Silver: “A Biden landslide is possible”
The Hill: “Biden could defeat Trump by an FDR-like landslide — here’s how”
And then there are these whispers going around the interwebs:
BREAKING— (thread)GOP operatives are for the first time raising the possibility that @realDonaldTrump could drop out of the race if his poll numbers don’t rebound. Over the weekend I spoke to a sample of major players; one described Trumps current psyche as “fragile.” I’m
— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) June 28, 2020
Our friend Luis Mendez breaks down the numbers, history, and election modeling of what is going on with President Trump for us — and the news at the moment for the president is all bad — but comes to the same conclusion I have at the moment:
Anybody worth their salt can also admit to the fact that since I last wrote about this race in April, the President’s chances have only gotten worse and a blue wave is now in play as much as is a Trump squeaker. The white heat of the summer campaign has lead to a pro-change and anti-incumbent environment that I haven’t personally seen in a presidential cycle since 2008 and that was an open seat election.
For myself I can’t believe that in this polarized an era that Biden’s current landslide margins will hold…But I do believe Biden remains, and will probably still remain the next time I sit down and look at this race, the likely winner.
Settle down…
If you think the 73 years of book we have on Donald Trump tells you he is going to bow out of the race and be tagged as the first president since Johnson to decline a re-election bid, your dealer is hooking you up with the really good stuff. It’s a nonsensical train of logic that the guy with so much ego he can’t stand to lose is going to quit and make that assault even worse. Better to lose and do what the Trump history tells us he will do, blame everything and anything else, than to do the one thing there will be no excuse for.
As for the landslide talk, let us qualify the term a bit. Nobody in this environment is getting into the 80s and 90s like Roosevelt, Johnson, and Reagan managed. Anything more than 5 point difference is going to be headlined as a landslide victory by the winner. The “shot someone on 5th Avenue” contingent of the president’s supporters that is somewhere between 30%-40% will ensure that doesn’t happen. Could Biden win by close to or just above double digits? Possible. Could Trump lose by 4 million votes and still squeak out an Electoral College win? Yep.
Biden’s campaign is one right now of inertia. President Trump has had about anything that can go wrong do so, some things of his own making and some out of his control. Team Biden’s best move is to just stay out of the way. That will work till about the end of August, but then Joe is going to have to change gears. How effective his campaign does that will likely be the difference in the campaign.
We know what Trump will do and be. The question is what is the country going to be in November. By then we will be three months into the great school experiment of 2020 that is going to upset nearly every adult’s life in America in some way, shape, or fashion, along with an economy that still has very choppy water coming as the ripples of Covid continue to make it’s way across the fruited plain. Then there is the very real threat that with America listless in leadership and utterly absorbed in internal matters one or more of the world’s bad actors decides to take advantage.
A lot can happen between now and November, and if the first 6 months of 2020 are any indication, if it can go sideways it will. So easy on the landslide talk, at least till after Labor Day and we see who is dealing with what going to the polls this fall.
The Fight Matters. So Does the Arena.
One of the reasons I’ve been banging on the Parler “Twixet”, besides a strong suspicion that the integrated grifting network pushing so hard for something means little if anything positive will come of it, is that taking your ball and going home doesn’t do any good. Of course you have a right to go start your own thing over there, as endless Twitter replies to my snarking at Parler kept reminding me. I’m all for their right to do that. But their stated goal is not accomplished by this tactic. There is no such thing as bravely running away in the arena of ideas anymore than trying to do the right thing the wrong way. It’s folly.
Folks love to quote Theodore Roosevelt’s “Man in the Arena” analogy:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and 10 shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
But some context to that is needed. Most of the rest of that speech, given in France to a French audience in a speech titled “Citizenship in a Republic” is dedicated to fleshing out the differences between high ideals and practical efforts. One key bit from that speech sounds as if it was written for the Twitter generation:
Indeed, it is a sign of marked political weakness in any commonwealth if the people tend to be carried away by mere oratory, if they tend to value words in and for themselves, as divorced from the deeds for which they are supposed to stand. The phrase-maker, the phrase-monger, the ready talker, however great his power, whose speech does not make for courage, sobriety, and right understanding, is simply a noxious element in the body politic, and it speaks ill for the public if he has influence over them. To admire the gift of oratory without regard to the moral quality behind the gift is to do wrong to the republic.
An echo chamber will never have anything resembling moral authority. Even if everything said inside it is correct, no one outside will benefit. Twitter is imperfect, horribly run, and probably not long for this world in its present form. I’ve never in my life seen a company that understands so little about it’s own product and why it is successful. But that is where the fights that matter happen. Yes Twitter sets the rules, often arbitrarily and in some cases capriciously. But it’s their house. Want to prove your mettle, succeed anyway. Adapt and overcome.
Or at least quit complaining about it constantly. And if you say you’re leaving and had enough, actually have the integrity to leave and have enough. Otherwise you are just “simply a noxious element in the body politic” that no one will miss when gone anyway.
Today in conservatives are going to have a fit. Roberts concurs in judgement (but not reasoning) with the four liberals in Juno Medical. Basically he states Whole Women’s Health was wrongly decided but it is stare decisis and he is going to follow the law.Report
This is the same reason we have to keep the statues up. Not because they were put up for the right reasons. They weren’t!
But because they were up yesterday.Report
D minus.Report
Stare decisis sucks.
It sucked yesterday too.Report
I can see why you might say that.
And, without it, our legal system would be in chaos, with interpretations of laws changing constantly, and legislatures continually trying to chase judgements and foreclose interpretations.Report
There may be subjects on which Jaybird knows enough to be worth engaging on the merits, though I’m working now and don’t have time to think of one, but this certainly isn’t one of them. Just let it pass as the “irritable mental gesture” that it is.Report
Video games and cooking!
(Though I’m pretty sure that the argument that we need to keep around the stuff we did yesterday because we did it yesterday lest we dissolve into chaos is one that I would enjoy seeing made by progressive types. While I can’t speak for everyone, I’m sure that there are a non-zero number of folks out there who would benefit from seeing this argument made in earnest.)Report
So then I asked myself “I wonder if there’s a place where I can find a list of overruled US Supreme Court decisions” and, it turns out, there is!
Here are the last 7 Supreme Court decisions that got overturned (I did this by eyeball so please don’t use this for betting purposes).
Trump v. Hawaii, 138 S. Ct. 2392 (2018) overturned Korematsu v. United States, 323 U.S. 214 (1944).
Herrera v. Wyoming, 139 S. Ct. 1686 (2019) overturned Ward v. Race Horse, 163 U.S. 504 (1896) (golly… I need to read about that one)
Knick v. Township of Scott, Pennsylvania, 139 S. Ct. 2162 (2019) overturned Williamson County Regional Planning Comm’n v. Hamilton Bank of Johnson City, 473 U.S. 172 (1985)
Franchise Tax Bd. of California v. Hyatt, 139 S. Ct. 1485 (2019) overturned Nevada v. Hall, 440 U.S. 410 (1979)
South Dakota v. Wayfair, Inc., 585 U.S. ___ (2018) overturned *TWO* cases. It overturned Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, 504 U.S. 298 (1992) and National Bellas Hess, Inc. v. Department of Revenue of Ill., 386 U.S. 753 (1967).
And how could we ever forget:
Obergefell v. Hodges, 576 U.S. ___ (2015) overturned Baker v. Nelson, 409 U.S. 810 (1972).
The main arguments that I get about Stare Decisis is a loosey-goosey “look, for the most part, all the Supreme Court does is acknowledge the changes that have already taken place but they do so officially.”
I suppose that makes sense… but it seems odd to see a handful of overturnings where the consensus was not particularly well-established at the same time that there are a handful of cases where there is an obvious injustice that fails to be rectified by the court.
It can appear capricious to a layman.Report
It can appear capricious to a layman.
Indeed, it can, especially if you focus on one court that takes a handful of the 6,000-odd cases it gets asked to review and ignore the day-to-day work of thousands of courts in countless thousands of cases.Report
From what I understand, lower courts are supposed to oppose overturning precedent, right?
I’ve seen a lot of movies where the judge (Danny Glover, usually, but sometimes it’s Charles Napier) says “I am not going to set a precedent here.”Report
Lower courts aren’t supposed to support or oppose overturning precedent; they’re supposed to follow it. They do so with varying degrees of intelligence or good faith, sometimes calling explicitly for the precedent they feel constrained to follow to be overturned, other times rationalizing that, in practical terms, it already has been, and acting accordingly. The Supreme Court has often chastised lower courts for “anticipating” that it will overrule some precedent, but if the Court ultimately does overrule it, getting lectured for being right prematurely is a toothless sanction. None of this would, admittedly, make for a good movie.Report
“Well, you have to understand…”
Stare decisis: the Ur Source.Report
You’re forgetting the statue of limitations.Report
That statue was toppled right after they got rid of (not all) mens rea.Report
It was a marble to behold.Report
In terms of Trump quitting, I have a few thoughts:
1. Contrary to popular belief, he is in fact a quitter but he does it in the most cowardly way possible and tries to claim victory in defeat. I suspect this comes because he was raised in the cult of Norman Vincent Peele.
2. That being said, I don’t see him doing anything except the kind of James Brown pretend quit to get people to say “Nooooooo Donald!!!!! Please come back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:
3. Still the current polling is not good for him and is a lot worse than polling in 2020. But I guess it is a shocker that a bungled pandemic response, economy heading towards depression, and massive civil unrest would be bad for a President whose approval rating never made it north of 50 percent.
4. If he does quit, I expect even more of a rout for the GOP. Mike Pence is too much of a tight ass and stick in the mud to go demagogue like Trump does, the GOP is not going to be saved by switching again to a corporate country club Republican like RomneyReport
I don’t see Trump stepping aside either. I see him phoning it in and blaming everyone else.
You are right, though. This is a moment of great weight. Covid is the biggest thing to hit us since WW2. It might become bigger, it’s hard to say. And lots of people aren’t coping with it very well. In different times, we could rally together and try and beat this thing, and grow with one another as a result.
But somehow, that’s not what’s happening. Some of us think that this is all a plot by others of us, and a lie. The weaknesses of our normal information-gathering systems has been exposed.Report
“Trump’s approval ratings are in the toilet! No way he’s gonna wriggle out of this jam!”
(Trump wriggles out of the jam easily)
“Ah, well. Nevertheless…”Report
Working on an App that plugs into the Twitter API and Parler API so you can read both and send messages back and forth. I’m calling it, “TheSilentTreatment” or maybe “WouldYouPleaseTellThatAsshole” … it’s work in progress and all that.Report
On Trump quitting… agree with Andrew; doesn’t seem likely.
But then… if Tulsa becomes the norm and not a fluke? Eh, I could see him walking away to control the narrative of his not losing in epic fashion.
What about the rumor that I’m hearing from all over the place *except* Twitter(?) that Michelle Obama is the VP pick?
Right up there with Trump bailing on the election? Or metaphysical certainty?Report
I have not heard that rumor and she has made it clear that she does not want to be an elected politician. There is no evidence to doubt that. I think it will be Kamala Harris or Tammy Duckworth.Report
I see, so you’re saying Oprah said no too?
Funny how rumors work.
On the one hand I could see how Michele Obama would practically print electoral votes… on the other hand, I really don’t have any sense of how she’d perform as an electoral candidate (much less an elected politician). Would be 90% projection: then again, see Hand #1.Report
My guess is Senator Harris or Senator Warren. Maybe Stacy Abrams as an outside swing for left field fence sort of thing. Of Harris/Warren – whichever one doesn’t get VP needs to shove chuck schumer off the leadership podium.Report
Stacy Abrams:
outside swing for left field fence
or
popping up the sacrifice bunt
Hard to say at this point in time.Report
Something I idly wondered was “when was Biden told that he was the VP pick?”
Believe it or not, there’s a wikipedia page for that:
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Yep, these days it’s carefully choreographed as part of the run-up/hype to the convention.
Barring unusual circumstances, the announcement this year will be on or around August 15th.
But then, 2020 is pretty much the definition of unusual circumstances, so what do I know?Report
Biden was told he would be the VP at least by June, and he knew he was top of the list since March.Report
If that’s true, and I’m not saying it’s not, then Wikipedia is deliberately misleading people.Report
Jay, there is the “official” announcement, and then there is when Biden was brought into the fold, so to speak. In other words, there is no way that Smokin’ Joe found out at the same time as the punters did. He was vetted, debated internally along with others, conversations were had, and he knew long before the text went ’round the world. Thus giving time for a late pull back if necessary.
It’s just like any other job interview.Report
Oh, I’d be willing to say that there’s a lot of Kabuki going on and that the August 23rd date is obviously *NOT* the real date. But, in my case, I suspect that the “real” date is around August 16th rather than June 16th.Report
I wonder… I have no insight into how political convention planning goes. Do they have to know 1-day, week, month in advance to print all the hats? Do they print two sets?
So I could certainly see a situation where the insiders know well in advance who the pick most likely will be. But, until the paperwork is signed, its just an intention and not a deal.
June strikes me as somewhat early to a) have to decide b) want to decide.
What have you read/heard that marks the decision that early?
I’ll caveat that the formal call to Bayh has to happen just before the announcement makes it official… even if Bayh/Biden knew the likely outcome earlier… I’m not sure that earlier would mean June, however… that still seems early to me.Report
Biden is too many innings into the game with a questionable bullpen to buntReport
I’ve still got a ten-dollar bet that he’ll pick Hillary Clinton.Report
She won’t take the paycut to be second fiddle.Report
Part of me wants this, part of me thinks this would be the moment the anti-matter discrepancy is resolved. Existentially.Report
fun idea:
2020 is Trump/Pence vs Biden/Clinton. Trump loses. Clinton and the DNC manage to keep Joe Biden propped up in the Oval Office chair, possibly using duct tape, until January 21st 2023, at which point he resigns For Health Reasons and Clinton becomes President.
Since Trump didn’t serve a second term, he’s eligible to run again, and the 2024 election is Clinton/Trump. Clinton wins.
Since Clinton wasn’t the President elected in 2020 and served fewer than two years of Biden’s term, she’s eligible to run again in 2028, and does, and Trump is again the Republican nominee, and he wins.
And in 2032, the Presidential election is Mike Pence…versus Hillary Clinton.Report
More than any other thing, Trump loves the image of winning, even more than the real thing.
He quit and walked away from numerous businesses but only after concocting a narrative of himself as the victor.
Theoretically, he could do that here, invent some narrative that has him as the heroic victor who rejects the corrupt system and walks away.
But…this seems unlikely. What is more likely is him inventing a narrative of winning but being robbed by the corrupt system, and parlaying that grievance into a tv show.Report
Is that your phone ringing? Fox News already wants the rights.Report
There have been a number of people suggesting that Trump never really wanted to be President, but just develop an audience for his own reality show.
The strongest evidence is that he obviously has no interest in governing, or any coherent vision of what he wants America to be.
I’ve said before that the Republicans are an insurgency force, even when they hold power. They’re a shrinking minority in both demographics and ideology which explains their increasing need for authoritarian schemes to hold onto power.
Insurgencies benefit from chaos and panic, where the existing regime can be painted as corrupt and ineffective. This was a good strategy in 2016 when they were running against the Obama/ Clinton regime.
But all insurgencies must learn how to pivot from smashing thru the gates, to establishing a regime which has plausible authority. The Trumpists never had the ability, or even desire to do that.
The Covid pandemic displayed this, where they demonstrated that they don’t just have a flawed ideology of how to govern; They don’t have any ideology of governance at all really. They have so far just been coasting on grievance and ressentiment but those can’t put bread on the table.Report
We’ve been hearing that in various forms and flavors since before the election. That’s a thesis of Michael Wolff’s book, the first of many tell-alls about the Trump Presidency.Report
Trump quitting would be good for the country and politically interesting. The Republicans would have to scramble for a replacement. Pence is the logical choice but just doesn’t move Republican voters to cult like devotion like Trump does. For non-Republicans, Pence is just a more restrained version of Trump. Trying to find a replacement at the convention is going to look chaotic and bad. Republicans in disarray. The replacement isn’t going to inspire Republicans to come out and vote either. So basically I agree with my brother, it will be a big rout for the Republicans.Report
Trump quitting would certainly be no panacea for the GOP’s ills. Trump is the figurehead and very loud, popular spokesman for a chunk of the GOP base that has felt abused, unheard, and taken for granted.
Do you think for an instant they would accept Trump — who loudly and proudly proclaims their cause, without the wishy-washy dog-whistles of those RINOs — lying down? That they would turn out for Pence, or Romney, or Ted Cruz or anyone else?
Of course not. They’d scream “stabbed in the back”, blame “RINOs'” and stay home. Having had a taste of the adult’s table, they are highly unlikely to go back to the kiddie table without fuss — and certainly wouldn’t turn out in record numbers.
And losing Trump off the top of the ticket would not, I’m afraid, lower Democratic ire. Deprived of Trump personally to vote against, they’ll take it out on the GOP as a whole — as they did in 2018. Trump might be the figurehead and the standard bearer of the GOP, but Democrats are very angry, and seem to want to send a very large message. (Sadly, it does not seem to occur to some of them that if one voted EVERY election, not just when angry, one might not ever get so angry. But alas, “we’ve won and everything is fixed forever, I’ll sit out the midterms because [X]” is apparently writ into Democratic DNA).Report
You know… it occurs to me that your comment suggests *why* Trump might drop out… to show that the Loss was because the Party did not fully support him and his supporters stayed home which is why the Republicans lost.
That would be the Narrative anyway. And, quite possibly the numbers would show that a Republican Party without Trump draws fewer votes – as long as we [Bracket] the fact that dropping out in this manner would likely show similar decline in any party in a similar circumstance.
But still… a “Power Move” in his own fevered imagination. A way out.Report
Michelle would never play second fiddle to Biden, a nobody who was only chosen as VP to appease white Democrats who might have been afraid that Obama would be too radical.
Politico: Letter to Washington, in which a reporter goes to a cook-out hosted by some influential members of Detroit’s black community. They all think Trump is going to win, and they’re not losing any sleep over it.Report
Since he’s the most irresponsible man in history, he no doubt quits post-convention and after it’s too late to change the ballot in a number of important states.
(He won’t quit.)Report
…and in the most bizarre turn of events ever… he wins the election because he didn’t say anything between then and November; while Biden “came out of his shell” confident he couldn’t lose.
(Don’t think he’ll quit either)Report
If he quits (he won’t) the fun part will be his nonstop Twitter savaging of both candidates.Report
But you said he quits (no way) after the convention and too late to change the ballot… so he’s still the only R candidate… just that he’s not running, see, so he can’t lose. It would be an un-campaign.Report
Too late to change the ballot in *some* states. He does quit, the RNC picks someone else, and then has to explain that in those states voting “Trump” really mean voting “Haley” (tacitly assuming the electors do what they’re told). Meanwhile, he alternates tweets about Creepy Joe and Crooked Nicky.Report
Ah yes, well that (never gonna happen) would create an even more epic flameout as the split R vote in some of the states the R could have won would result in a D plurality.
There will have to be a lone Elector who votes against Biden so that the tradition of never having a unanimous selection after Washington. Assuming we still acknowledge a Washington.
Of course, refounding America on Joe Biden would, I suppose, be appropos the moment.Report
It would be fun to hear Tucker Carlson explain that standing up in a boat is a sign of dementia.Report
When Democrats have to spin election fantasies about how Trump is probably just going to quit, it means they’re in deep deep doo-doo. I suspect the reason for it is that they sense that Biden isn’t really in the race, and they wish Trump wasn’t, either.Report
I’m sure someone out there is thinking that if Trump quits then it invalidates the results of the 2016 election and Hillary Clinton gets to retroactively be named President.Report
There are apparently people thinking that if Trump quits the none of the catastrophes of the last four years will be held against his replacement.Report
I am not that smart when it comes to politics and all, but I want to say your first part (“Anecdotal Evidence, but Admissible”) really resounded with me. I have not been out…much….in the past three months. I have seen a little impatience here and there, lots of unmasked people. I am bracing for the ridicule friends have said they’ve gotten for going out masked. I see the video of people having meltdowns that would embarrass a 3 year old and I wonder; is this some kind of awful and bizarre performance art and nothing more? Surely no adult feels entitled to act like that in front of God and strangers.
but apparently they do.
I am apprehensive about the future. People seem to be on their last nerve in a lot of places and don’t seem able or willing to extend grace to others. Or maybe that’s what gets the press, in which case – shame on the press for exclusively showing the worst 2% of us.Report
I’m in MetroNYC and we’re experiencing almost the opposite. We’ve had a “mask mandate” in stores since early April (April 7th, I believe). Some folks have been wearing masks everywhere, indoors and outdoors. A subset of those folks think the mandate includes being outdoors, even though there is nothing in the language of the EO to support this in any way. Our mayor has encouraged folks to wear masks “in public”, which has added to the confusion.
Facebook is awash in critiques of folks not wearing masks. Even as NJ opens and our town embraces outdoor dining, the mask warriors somehow want people to wear a mask while eating.
We’re a liberal area in a region hit hard by the virus. So it is understandable that we’re A) going to have mask mandates and B) folks are largely going to adhere to them. It is interesting that the ‘shaming’ has tipped the other direction.
What stands out is that much of this is happening on social media. I haven’t really seen anything arise out in the world regarding masks, either the wear or not wearing of them.Report
Someone I know (in the local AAUW chapter) had someone mock her for wearing a mask in the grocery store, telling her she was afraid of a “hoax”. She stepped back and informed that person that she was the caretaker for her elderly, ill mother (which is absolutely true) and she knew people who had gotten sick, and she needed to stay healthy for her mom’s sake.
So those people are out there. But since I spent roughly from age 8 to age 17 or so being mocked on the regular, I expect some rando accusing me of being “afraid” (Hell yes, I’m afraid! I think it’s reasonable to be scared enough to want to take standard precautions here) is not going to make too much of a dent.
It just baffles me that someone is going to go up to a total stranger and bug them about it. Back in, say, 2018, if I had seen someone in public with a medical mask on, I might have been slightly taken aback but my reaction would have been to think, “Well, maybe they’re undergoing chemo or are a recent transplant patient and need to be really careful not to get sick.” but I’d certainly never go up to them to specifically talk about the mask.Report
The failure to wear masks really bugs me. I mean, yeah. I get that masks suck. I have glasses. They steam up after the first exhale and it takes a minute for everything to equalize.
At work, they have rules that say that you have to wear a mask in the hallways, in conversations, and pretty much anywhere that isn’t at your desk (they explicitly make exceptions for when you’re sitting in a bathroom stall… one wonders how they’d police that one anyway…) and that’s okay. I wonder if sitting in a room with another person for X hours is okay even if you both have masks. Having a cubicle wall won’t help. Some of the offices have those cubicle walls that are only about 5 feet high (as opposed to the 7 feet high cubes). The five feet high ones won’t do a dang thing for protecting you from the guy 4 cubes away.
At that point, you’re pretty much hoping/praying that all of your asymptomatic co-workers are not merely pre-symptomatic WAIT WAS THAT A SNERK FROM READING AN EMAIL FROM MANAGEMENT OR A SUPPRESSED COUGH
But I honestly cannot comprehend being against masks in the grocery store. Do masks suck? Yes they do. They suck less than the COVID.Report
IN a world where a white woman will call the cops while she is being filmed by a black bird watcher and claim he’s threatening her because he asked her to do the inconvenient thing of putting her dog on a leash – I am not the least bit surprised.Report
“Do masks suck? Yes they do. They suck less than the COVID.”
Quoted for m(onkey) f(ishing) truth. I wore one for an hour today in 90+degree heat with a dewpoint in the 70s while I carried around Meals on Wheels to people. I wanted them (many of them medically fragile) to be safe; I wanted to be safe. It was uncomfortable but I was able to do it. Yes, it was a relief to get home and be able to wash my hands and remove the mask. But maybe that just gives me another little reason to be grateful for getting home at the end of the day?
Some people on a board for academic fiber-crafters I am part of thought my idea of buying one of those plastic face-shield things (like dentists use) and wearing it WITH a mask when I really can’t distance in class (like labs) seemed a sensible idea; I may consider doing it. I am going to wait a bit to see what my university decides. Right now the policy is “masks on indoors except when you are alone in your office” and I can live with that.
the plan is also to have all meetings over Zoom, which I don’t love quite so much, but whatev’s. There’s a pandemic on.Report
Agree with all that. Living in this area and commuting into/around the city via public transit for much of the last 15 years, I’d occasionally see folks in masks. They were most often people who appeared to be of East Asian descent and I was told in many countries in that part of the world, it was pretty common for folks to do so when they were sick to avoid spreading their germs. This was helpful, since many locals tended to assume they were wearing it because they thought the city and its inhabitants were dirty. So even that, an act of considerateness was somehow twisted negatively.
I wear masks everywhere I’m supposed to and some other places as well. Sometimes because I know it can make a dramatic difference in exposure risk (for me and others), sometimes because it’s just the rule and I think now is an important time to follow such rules, and sometimes because I can tell it will simply put others at ease. Is it annoying? You bet. But… eh. Get over it.
In the very early stages, I looked slightly askew at folks in masks because of the “guidance” saying they weren’t necessary or possibly even made things worse. I’d NEVER even considered saying anything about it.
I don’t appreciate the passive-aggressive mask shaming on social media. It just feels unproductive… even if the person is “right”. And I do not agree at all with the behavior you’re describing. It’s horrible for about 18 different reasons.Report
The large suburban school district where I currently live has announced that elementary school (PreK-5) will be 100% in-person starting Aug 24. That is, free day care for a lot of working parents will be open again. Middle and high school have not been decided yet. Trying to read between the lines, unless there’s a major breakthrough, it will probably be a mix, with the bigger hormone-crazed fiends more online and the littler fiends less so. The not-so-large suburban school district where we will be moving around mid-Sep hasn’t decided on anything.Report
One model I’ve heard has elementary school kids spread among the buildings in smaller groups for full-time in-person instruction. Older kids will do mostly remote. This is primarily to address supervision challenges.Report
Trump won’t quit. Michael Cohen told us as much. He may well really torch the place on his way out, but he won’t quit. You have to remember thanks to the Electoral college he won with 27% of voters pulling the proverbial level for him. He doesn’t need an overall high approval to win again. Biden has to best him by between 5 and 10% nationally and by at least that much in the swing state Trump won last time for him to consider leaving.
What is supporters do afterword is where you should worry. I live among them, and they will take it as a sign of the Rapture that he’s lost. And they are armed.Report
The GOP is going to do their best to steal this election, and their best is pretty good: closing polling places, not mailing out ballots, forging absentee ballots, staging riots to prevent ballot counting, ludicrous but binding court decisions, etc. And while Roberts is currently unpopular on the Right, he’s the man who singlehandedly destroyed the VRA. So let’s not assume that GOP unpopularity will mean elections losses.Report
All politicians are horrible, except my politicians who are doing alright by me so I’ll keep them. Or so the thinking goes with far too many people.Report
Nothing like a white guy assaulting a black guy in the name of black lives mattering.
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