Gone With the Wind: The Great American Feminist Novel
Since Valentine’s Day is looming on the horizon yet again, I decided to reread several of my fave romance novels just like I did last year. But this time, I’m reading literary books rather than trashy ones to prove the point that romance can be written about in a literary way. That means you lucky people get to hear even more of my innermost thoughts on the subjects of love and romance, only classier.
A year ago I wrote a piece called Ashes in the Wind and the response to it was so offputting it was the closest I have ever come to quitting Ordinary Times for reals instead of just temporarily quitting because my husband made me but then he pissed me off so I came back. But I pushed through the Ashes in the Wind unpleasantness and as is so often the case with unpleasant experiences, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, generally after a period of time spent longing for death, or a bazooka. Thus it brings me great pleasure to stand before you today and rub Gone With the Wind directly into your faces.
Gone With the Wind is a feminist masterpiece that future generations of girls will probably never have the opportunity to read because it contains Elements of Problematic Badthink (this link is about the movie, but lays out the overall case against GWTW nicely). Like Greta Gerwig’s Little Women, a movie written by a woman based on a book by a woman about women and beloved by several generations of women which recently lost the Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay to Yet Another Hitler Movie, Pride and Prejudice, and The Accidental Tourist, Gone With the Wind features an indepth exploration of how economic concerns affect women and the lengths some of us will go to to attain financial security.
You may have noticed that women and money is a subject I enjoy, probably because my life has been entirely governed by never having any.
The protagonist of GWTW, Scarlett O’Hara, is an unabashed mercenary opportunist who is totally cool with the Confederacy when it benefits her but when it gets inconvenient with that whole pesky war business, turns around and jumps into bed (figuratively) with Yankee carpetbaggers and (literally) with scalawag-of-questionable-loyalty Rhett Butler. Scarlett O’Hara, in addition to or perhaps in keeping with being an unabashed mercenary opportunist, does not always behave with what most would consider the purest of ethics. And portraying female antiheroes as having legitimate character flaws rather than as perfect paragons of whatever the popular definition of femininity happens to be at the time, is totally feminist.
Through the tribulations, trials, troubles, and travails of Scarlett O’Hara we learn a great truth – that she who survives terrible circumstances is not always the girl who best followed society’s rules. In fact, the rules which work so well for society in times of peace must be rapidly dispensed with in times of upheaval, and this may give those of us who are Born Trouble a leg up on the more obedient competition. To demonstrate this fact to the fullest extent, it was a prerequisite for author Margaret Mitchell (herself a known social upstart) to begin Gone With The Wind in a society replete with ladies who followed said rules to the letter, like Scarlett’s mother Ellen and archnemesis Melanie Wilkes, aka the Old South.
Could Scarlett’s story have been told in another milieu? Probably, but Margaret Mitchell knew the South. She knew the history and the culture of the South, she knew its geography and architecture, she knew what it meant to be a woman of the South. Should Mitchell have chucked that body of knowledge she happened to possess by virtue of birth and upbringing right out the window and written a novel set in the Russian Revolution or Ancient Egypt or Austen’s England instead, someplace long enough ago or far away so it didn’t ruffle the feathers of political incorrectness here today? Or would it perhaps have been better if only she have created a fantasy world that was obviously meant to be the South and plunk Scarlett down there (that’s how we chicken out and write about controversial issues nowadays, is by pretending that trolls and gnomes and dragons are real and oppression is only a thing Actual Bad Guys do, never regular people).
Margaret Mitchell told a meaningful story about women’s survival set against a historic backdrop in which the ability to survive was actually required of people, and she set it in a time and place and culture she knew. That is what good writers DO. Bad writers, or at least less-good ones, set a meaningful story in places and cultures they don’t thoroughly understand (please refer to the recent controversy over American Dirt for an illustration of this principle) oftentimes diluting the meaning and lessening the impact of their message in the process.
I see that furrowed brow, there, Dear Reader. Do you doubt my claim that survival in the face of war, famine, violence, destruction, and General William T. Sherman was what Mitchell was actually writing about? Do you perhaps believe that the purpose of Gone With the Wind was merely to romanticize a despised culture which deservedly died? Here is Margaret Mitchell in her own words, relaying the words of wisdom her mother imparted on a carriage ride to see the plantations Sherman burned:
That is the plot of Gone With the Wind, entirely.
Female survival due to ingenuity, flexibility, tenacity, and a touch of mendacity in the face of great adversity is the heart and soul of Gone With the Wind and if you look in its pages and see nothing but Confederacy porn, I think you need to find a reading comprehension workbook and work your way through it.
Stories do not exist in a vacuum. The time and place in which stories are set, matter. They inform both the plot and the characters. People behave differently in different times and different places; they have different beliefs and customs and make different choices, and they face different challenges both internal and external. The setting of Gone With the Wind, in order to properly contain the story that Margaret Mitchell intended to tell about female survival, a compelling, important, and true story that I am not sure has ever been told so effectively by any other author, HAD TO involve a culture with very strict social rules governing female behavior, existing in a world seemed secure but was then ripped away. It HAD TO involve those things to make way for a woman who didn’t follow society’s rules to succeed in a new world.
Why did it need to be that kind of culture and world? Because Margaret Mitchell’s mother May Belle (who, by the way, was a suffragist who dragged her more-interested-in-flirting-at-the-time teenage daughter to proto-feminist rallies, so my notion of feminism underlying GWTW is not without factual support) was entirely right, our secure world WILL explode underneath us, someday, possibly someday soon, probably this week by the way things have been going lately, and it’s the Scarletts of the world for all their flaws who shall survive it. It’s the Scarletts of the world who have always survived it. Lesser men crumbled around her and not a few of them, the proper and delicate ladies dropped like flies even though they were so very proper and delicate. But Scarlett O’Hara endured.
Now if you can come up with a better setting to tell that story that is NOT in a galaxy far, far away, I’d love to hear it. The Antebellum through Reconstruction Era South is an ideal setting for the type of story Mitchell wanted to tell, and best of all, it was a setting she herself knew intimately. There were disgusting, disturbing elements to Southern culture, absolutely, inarguably, and what should Mitchell have done with those? Ignored them? Written around them? Dreamed up a parable about super mean elves oppressing flawlessly nice fairies instead? Sent Captain Marvel through a magic portal to the past to fight at Abe Lincoln’s side?
I think a whole lot of people right now can’t tell the difference between prose and proselytizing.
Is Gone With the Wind perfect when judged by our modern day ethical standards? No, of course not, DUH. But you know, there’s a reason why we read Shakespeare with all those footnotes at the bottom even though no one speaks English that way any more. We still read these decrepit old books even though they’re often difficult reading – in one way or another — because they contain things of value despite their archaic language and outdated beliefs. It is against the fundamental principles of why we study literature, history, and art to suggest we stop reading great novels of the past that don’t mesh precisely with modern standards of behavior. And while I admit I may have a chip on my shoulder about the Ashes in the Wind thing still, it is downright fascist to shame people for having read a naughty, naughty book and finding something in it worthy of reflection — one step away from burning books in the public square.
I find I’m thoroughly fed up with stuff that is of value to women who have been oppressed by the men of every culture since before we even were humans, and are still getting oppressed in many places around the world today, and will immediately become oppressed again if our pretty-awesome-for-women-at-present culture disintegrates like it’s showing ample signs of doing. I find I am thoroughly fed up watching things of value to women getting tossed onto the rubbish heap of history with nary a “meh” because they might contain some elements that are offensive to someone, because they were written at a place and time when well-intentioned people didn’t know better. Just as lesbians have a right to enjoy Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe despite it containing elements that some consider Problematic Badthink, I fully believe that women have a right to Gone With the Wind (all women, across the boards, because we all have a Scarlett inside of us).
I find intersectionality is impossible, and far too often the people who are expected to bend and accommodate are we of the female variety. Karen, Becky, Sharon, Susan, Janet, Felicia – we make jokes of women who don’t bend over backwards to accommodate other people, who dare to complain and make demands and ask to speak to the manager. True, a lot of the people so mocked actually deserve it, but isn’t it interesting that they are ALL WOMEN? Men seem to think they’re gonna go right on running the show and the people who will make room at the table to accommodate the entirely justified complaints of minorities is the womenfolk since it’s our job to make peace and we weren’t using the room we were taking up anyway. What were we going to put there, anyway, tampons or something probably?
And hey, I will not. I have a very large purse and it is spilling over with tampons, by which I mean legitimate and well-founded complaints about how women are treated in our society despite #feminism, and it is going right up on top of the table where no one can ignore it alongside my copy of Gone With the Wind, which is very large because it has 689 pages of beautiful, spectacular, fantabulous purple prose that I personally like to wallow in regardless of whether men think it’s good writing or not. You’ll have to hold that skinny little Hemingway novel of yours on your lap, dude, there’s no space for it here. Sorry if it interferes with your desire to sprawl out and put your elbows on the table whilst talking loudly about what a raw deal Al Franken got.
Gone With the Wind is an incredible book. It is the Great American Feminist Novel and nothing written since has even approached it, let alone surpassed it, probably because the other books in the running were all trying so hard to be the Great American Feminist Novel that their dust covers had beads of sweat dripping off of them.
Scarlett O’Hara is a woman who succeeds in business, uses sex as a weapon, doesn’t find fulfillment in motherhood, and if you really can’t let go of the whole “feminism means performing violence on males” angle she even shoots and kills a man. You tell me you didn’t have a feminist icon until Wonder Woman, Millennials? I give you Scarlett O’Hara. Try her, you may like her.
One could even make a pretty compelling case for Gone With the Wind being the Great American Novel, although this case is wrong since A Tree Grows in Brooklyn is actually the Great American Novel. Regardless, Margaret Mitchell, a woman who had to drop out of college to keep house for her father when her mother died of the Spanish Flu, survived the death of her first fiancee in WWI and a subsequent marriage to an abusive bootlegger, who managed to charm a man (the bootlegger’s close friend and the best man at their wedding) into buying her way out of said marriage and then married her savior instead – a brilliant tactical maneuver not even Scarlett O’Hara herself could have pulled off, a woman had the gall to nickname herself “Pegasus” (relatable), who vehemently did not want children at a time when expressing that sentiment simply wasn’t done, who cobbled together an impressive career in journalism in only four years’ time, who wrote over 200 pieces for the Atlanta Journal and when forced to quit due to an injury, went on to write one of the most popular and beloved books ever and published it under her maiden name (also relatable), is even more of a feminist icon than her creation.
If you haven’t read Gone With The Wind because you think it might offend your delicate sensibilities, and consider me a racist monster for loving it and admiring the woman who wrote it, well, I consider you the human equivalent of a horse with blinders on. Enjoy your oats and looking at that square of grass directly before your eyes, but if you want to know more about the human condition, particularly about what it means to be a woman in this crazy world full of violent upheaval even though some of us were lucky enough to have ourselves a nice little break from it for about 50 years there, read it. Gone With the Wind is amazing; imperfect, perhaps, a product of the time in which it was written, certainly, but still amazing. It’s a book by a woman about women beloved by several generations of women, which actually WON the Academy Award for Best Adapted Screenplay because Hitler hadn’t been around long enough to have that many movies made about him yet, and also because a dude wrote it.
And if you want nothing but a library full of virtuous artists writing treacly moral tomes and for everything else to be banned as sinful regardless of redeeming qualities, may I humbly suggest you just start a religion and be done with it? Personally, I think we’re leaving too much behind in this rush to create a world in which we imagine we will never have to stop to consider that humans are selfish, tribalistic, xenophobic, superior, mean-spirited, and even the good ones have a nasty tribalistic streak.
Good literature like Gone With the Wind.
Alas, I am very well aware that none of this rant, while definitely so satisfying I had to have a cigarette when I was done with it, had very little to do with romance. I’m afraid I’m going to have to split this essay into two parts and write YET ANOTHER piece that won’t get done before my self-imposed Valentine’s Day deadline.
But take heart, as I do, in knowing that I am not doing this project again next year.
I’ve never read the book. The film has some issues for me, but they aren’t forefront. I have no problem with a story that imagines a vibrant relationship between a white plantation heir and a house slave. And I think Scarlett O’Hara is a brilliant character. She is dragged right down off that pedestal and becomes a real person. That makes her really interesting.
The slaves appeared to stick around after the Civil War. This strikes me as ridiculous, but it completes the “We’re a big happy family” picture. And then there are the freed blacks living in the woods who are Oh So Very Dangerous. These are problems. But the film doesn’t strike me as threatening.
But my opinion, I think, should not count for a lot. I’m interested in what black people think about it. But I don’t want to single out one, and make them spokesperson. I just would like to know what some of the black people I’ve known over the years would think of it.Report
Black people have every right to hate it. Absolutely. There are parts of the book and the movie that are disgusting and horrifying. I would not ever in a million years suggest that this be a book people should read, like in school or whatever. My point is that there are some things of value in there that are pretty important from a feminist perspective, unique elements I’ve never really seen done anywhere else, and would I hate it hate it hate it if that is lost in favor of some more anodyne, less meaningful tripe like Captain Marvel.
I mean, I have read some literature that oozes with misogyny and even outright violence towards women written by men who are extremely problematic. Much of this is put forth as must read for other reasons, sometimes because it is minority-inclusive, and I’m supposed to excuse that because of other elements in the book. And I do. I understand that there are things in many cultures as they evolve that are misogynistic, I favor realistic representations of misogyny in fiction, and as most of you know, I’m not into canceling people on the basis of Badthink for any reason.
I’m simply saying it would be very nice to have that type of grace ever extended to women.Report
There is a school of thought that states we shouldn’t forgive the misogynistic literature of the past because they did things differently though. It’s growing in popularity these days. Part of the entire cancel culture. GWTW is just way too racist and pro-slavery to get a pass. I don’t think many feminists want to see it as even slightly feminist because of that. It’s just the literature equivalent of toxic waste because of that. The racist nature of the book consumers all other qualities.Report
I’m not suggesting we cancel Tracy Chapman. I’m just asking if “Fast Car” plays into and amplifies harmful stereotypes by allowing White listeners to engage in poverty tourism.Report
No, because she does it in a folk rock style rather than a hip-hop style. By using white musical tastes, the song becomes more universal. There isn’t inherently anything African-American in Fast Cars, you can easily see a white person or Hispanic person writing that song. Therefore, it passes muster by the Committee of Public Safety.Report
The fact that it’s done in folk rock style is half of what makes it problematic! It is not only cultural appropriation, in 1988, this was a clear invitation to be a poverty tourist to people who otherwise would never listen to artists of Color who weren’t singing something like “Feliz Navidad”.
Which is the other half of what makes it problematic.
Not that I’m saying she should be cancelled. Nobody is arguing that.Report
Believe it or not, I was actually aware of this very loud and impossible to miss school of thought! But thanks for filling me in!Report
Also, the first person who replies to this post with “Frankly, My Dear, I don’t give a damn” wins a “Thanks Captain Obvious” badge I made, with lots and lots of extra glitter on it.Report
oooo Glitter!Report
Badges? We don’t need no-
Oh, wait. Wrong cliche. Dammit. Carry on.Report
Ha ha that made me LOL! Thanks!Report
I don’t fault (good) books for accurate descriptions, both of their characters or of their circumstances (*)
The antebellum South was racist, to say the least.
Scarlett O’Hara, whatever her other qualities or defects, was pro-slavery, and the book is written from her POV. It is not different that saying that Tony Soprano, whatever his other qualities or defects, is pro organized crime, hence The Sopranos has (has to have) a pro-Mob attitude.
It would be ridiculous (and make it a very bad book) to have a protagonist, call her Violet O’Shea, a Southern Belle who is totally anti slavery, holds campaign events for Lincoln in her plantation house, and cheers for the triumphs of the Union, because “they are fighting the good fight of our days”. Even worse, every white character in the novel vehemently declares in no uncertain terms the equality of black men, and black women, and black homosexuals for good measure (calling them black LGBT persons would be anachronistic, though), and talk to each other about how most of their best friends are black.
That was not antebellum Georgia. That was not what a Southern lady would have believed.
Scarlett O’Hara might have been wrong, but that’s her story. If you don’t want to hear it, read it, watch it, or learn about it, well, that’s your loss. You’ve made a smaller world for yourself.
(*) I fault not-good books for a lot of things.Report
I am gonna go ahead and sign onto this 100% I bugs me to no end to see the white washing of many points of view, and you can see this in many current artistic endevors such as Downton Abby. There is always a white and/or rich character around espousing modern ideals to make the reader/viewer feel better.
One of my favorite books is L.A. Confidential, but I don’t love it for the characters attitudes, which are irredeemably racist, sexist and homophobic. I love it because the those charaters are so well drawn and challenge my perceptions during the narrative.Report
My mom had a complaint along these lines from the new Little Women movie (the book is a favorite of hers). Never read the book or seen any of the many adaptations myself including this latest one but she said the little nods to late 20th/early 21st century politics damaged it for her to the point of not being able to enjoy it.
Obviously artistic license is as old as art itself but it certainly eliminates the possibility of learning or exposure to truly alien world views, even ones we aren’t that far removed from relatively speaking.
For the record the old man liked Little Women (he saw it with my mom in exchange for her seeing 1917 with him) but I’m 98% sure his enjoyment was limited to ‘Florence Pugh is on the screen right now.’ Nothing wrong with that but not what I’d call a sophisticated take.Report
I think that had I come across this trend when I was younger, I might have been more receptive to it, but now it just strikes me as false. And as I said, white-washing the past. I am starting to think of this as being much more racist than what would be presented.Report
I find it to be patronizing more than anything else. It’s really insulting to the audience’s intelligence to say some work is important for whatever reason the talk down to them like they can’t handle it.
When I was getting my BA in history I had a prof for Medieval studies who really emphasized how ingrained the ‘Great chain of being’ kind of hierarchical thinking was throughout society. Like even if you went and pulled people from the bottom of the social order they would believe in it and their religion and culture would reinforce it. Hearing our perspective on these matters wouldn’t make any more sense to them than theirs does to us to a point that would he challenging to reflect in popular fiction. I agree that it would be challenging but probably not impossible, which makes it all the more ridiculous when these differences are reflected in source material from times not nearly as far away yet our makers of art are too weak to grapple with them or try to make them accessible.Report
Nearly every modern adaptation of an old novel needs to modernize it in some way. First, few modern audiences are going to be able to totally relate to a work from the past because the past is a different country. Everything would be too alien for people to grasp. Very few people would want to see something buried deep in 19th century New England Anglo-Protestantism. Plus, many of Little Women’s modern fans already give it a late 20th/early 21st century political gloss so why not.go there anyway.Report
One of the weaknesses of movies with criminals as the lead is that they soften the criminal and move all the horror and cruelty off screen. Bonnie And Clyde comes to mind, as does Godfather I (The sequel improved on this immensely).
But to its credit, The Sopranos showed us early and clearly that Tony was a horrible person, cruel and narcissistic. Breaking Bad even more so. Even as the shows were written from their point of view, it never lost the ability to show the awful consequences of their chosen path.
I suppose that is a criticism that could be leveled at GWTW. That it was careful to move any pain and suffering of the slaves off screen and hidden away, but move the pain and suffering of the slaveowners to the forefront. And it wasn’t even necessary to do this in order to tell the tale from the slaveholders point of view.
Outlander, which happens to be returning this week, does a terrific job of doing just that. We are treated to a slave owning character who is an older woman, Aunt Jocasta, who is very sympathetic and kindly, but we also see the horrific consequences of a world where people are chattel.
And the series makes it clear that the same sort of thinking that could see black people as lesser than human would not hesitate to see women as lesser than human.
In the real antebellum South, there is a very high probability that Scarlet O’Hara would have had her land stolen by a rapacious entitled man or group of soldiers, raped in the process and found that the law sided with her tormentors instead of her.
Because in the hierarchy of society, she was higher than Mammy, but not nearly as high as the men in her life.Report
@Chip
I think you are making Kristin’s point, but I’m not sure if you are making it on purpose, or by accident.
It is true, that ”In the real antebellum South, there is a very high probability that Scarlet O’Hara would have had her land stolen by a rapacious entitled man or group of soldiers, raped in the process and found that the law sided with her tormentors instead of her.”. That was indeed what happened to many, or most, of the women that found themselves in a similar position as Scarlett’s.
Scarlett O’Hara is fully aware that the odds are very much against her. That’s what makes her story unique(r). She understood that no one would save her but herself. And she acted accordingly. She took agency for her survival, and her future wellbeing. That is what makes her, using Kristin’s word, a feminist.
Her story is not the story of how Southern ladies were, in the hierarchy of society, higher than Mammy, but not nearly as high as the men in their lives. That’s a different story, one that is worth telling, and has been told well several times (*). GWTW is, instead, the story of a woman who saved herself, and prospered, through courage, cleverness, and the adequate use of sex. It is, mutatis mutandis, very much the story of Cleopatra, another feminist woman that has fascinated mankind for 2,000 years
(*) Rod Dreher, of all people, has a fairly good blog post that touches this theme https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/sex-money-power/Report
Well right, her story is not the story of how antebellum society actually functioned.
It isn’t a “bad” story just wildly inaccurate.
I’ve said a few times here that life under awful regimes is actually very pleasant, for a select few. There is always a small or even large group of people who never experience the things that become, for the rest of us, the “true face” of that society.
Like, if we saw a movie set in 1965 Soviet Union, and it concerned the romantic adventures of a Russian couple, set against the backdrop of a world where they never experienced lines for bread, where no one was afraid of the government, and everyone drove late model cars and lived in nicely furnished houses.
Most Americans including most of the OT readers would object to this depiction as horribly inaccurate. And I doubt that my pointing out how richly drawn the characters were, or how uplifting the message was, would convince anyone to overcome the glaring inaccuracy of the setting.
Most 20th century white Americans are able to see and enjoy the uplifting story of Scarlett because the setting comports with our preferred notion of history. Even if on one level we know it is inaccurate, it doesn’t offend us or disturb our understanding of the world. We can easily glide past it without discomfort.Report
Thanks for reading and a thoughtful comment.Report
Just because I don’t want to read a book that marginalizes black women such as myself does not make my world smallerReport
Excellent rant. Much favorable.Report
Thank you!Report
The problem is not Scarlet O’Hara but that the author of the book is clearly racist.Report
Well, since you provide so many examples of this, it must be true!Report
I’m going to set this link here and hope that you read it. Written by a liberal! And a real feminist, not pesky old me!
Yay!
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/feb/15/feminism-feminists-tyranny-niceness-complexity
In other news, I remain eternally befuddled by the comments in my threads where someone tells me the sky is blue and water is wet as if I’m too stupid to be aware of or understand a position.Report
Well, couldn’t you say that about almost every book written prior to the 1970’s, or, depending on how woke you are, every book ever written? As for making slavery part of a story’s setting, Harriet Beecher Stowe also did that in her novel, “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.”
Clearly, for “Gone With the Wind” to work as a story, Scarlet is going to be pretty darned racist by later standards, otherwise she’d have to be written as a woke abolitionist from Massachusetts, which although perhaps interesting, would be a completely different character in a completely different story. To tell a Southern story, most of the characters are going to have to reflect what Southerners at the time thought, otherwise the reader would be thinking “So if nobody down South supported slavery, why were there so many slaves? This book doesn’t make a lick of sense!”
Certainly many great books had heroic characters who battled against slavery, such as Harriet Tubman, but again, if those are the only stories we’re exposed to, then we’re back wondering how slavery existed when all the strong characters obviously opposed it. You could apply that to almost any historical period, where to let the reader understand how most people thought, you’re going to have to convey how most people thought.
Scarlet is a character, so on one level I’m looking at what her environment was, what her influences were, and how those shaped her actions. Everybody was able to look at complexities and character for all the strong women in “Game of Thrones”. Well, GWTW requires the same thing. If your hero (prior to season eight) was The Mother of Dragons, who led an army of “unsullied”, burned people alive if they didn’t bow to her, and slaughtered entire cities, you should probably give Scarlet a pass on her dating choices.
I’m not sure where all this anti-Scarlet pressure comes from. Male literary characters aren’t required to be role models, they’re just characters, often monstrous ones. What lessons should I draw from Spartacus? That it’s okay for men to be slaves, brutal killers, and failed rebels who get wacked? What social message am I supposed to take away from “The Godfather”, other than perhaps the importance of family and baseball equipment? The only thing I got from “All Quiet On the Western Front” was an understanding of why we need never worry about being conquered by The Audubon Society. They’re good stories about interesting people or events, and they don’t have to reflect truths that don’t support the central theme or plot.
A good character needs to be interesting, or at least do something interesting, or at least be notable in being uninteresting and unimportant, perhaps inspiring a good de-motivational poster. As long as people can relate to or understand the character or the situation, it’s all good. Demanding that each character, no matter the setting, have the same drive, viewpoint, and outlook, and face (and overcome!) our modern fixations is a recipe for stale, derivative, predictable twaddle, the stuff of dime novels cranked out by low-salaried hacks writing anonymously for low-rent publishers (or season 12 of Doctor Who).
Often, the characters who don’t follow the rules, whether they attain success or suffer disaster, are far more interesting than the people who do. Some serve as stark warnings or object lessons, and those stories can be some of the most important for people to read, or the most popular. Plenty of folks loved “Breaking Bad”, but that doesn’t mean they had no more morality than Walter White. Plenty of people loved “Narcos” season 1 and 2, yet don’t need a lecture on how Pablo Escobar isn’t a good role model.
Sure, some sensitive folks might think every story needs to be like an episode of “Friends” , and that’s okay. But most of us would get bored and soon flip the channel to some horrifying spectacle full of awful, awful villains and horrible situations.Report
There are lots of great Feminist novels that are not written with sympathy for the war of treason in defense of slavery. This seems more about not wanting to abandon something and working backwards to find the evidence to support the conclusion.Report
I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed more with one of your posts. (Which doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have written it! Of course or at all!)
I read this book. I read every single page of this book. I have read *many* clearly racist classic novels (and works of nonfiction) and have made my accommodations with them for other reasons. (I spent more than a week straight yelling at Ernest Thompson Seton in my head and I’m still pissed at him, but I haven’t sworn off him either.) This one contained some of the grossest, most appalling, most dehumanizing descriptions of black people of any of the classics I have read. And it *really* didn’t feel like good characterization of the point-of-view heroine. It really felt to me like the author meant them and was thankful for the excuse of a point-of-view heroine to clothe them in.
I went in *trying* to enjoy the book and look past what I expected to be “the usual kind of racism in books that are nostalgic for the Confederacy which this is hardly my first rodeo and I’ve read a lot of primary works from that time period for pete’s sake’ and got drowned in gross awful sincere “how hard it was to be a racist white woman in the plantation era especially with all those terrifying black people around” instead. There was a page or two describing her ride through the city (Charleston?) where I felt so disgusted by the writer, and at myself for having all these complex excuse for wanting to keep reading, that I literally threw up.
I went to the book originally expecting to want to defend it and contextualize it without denying any of what’s wrong with it – and instead it’s just. Awful. Its main use to me is as a reminder that I can deeply respect and even be fond of so many women (some of my favorite women love this book!) and yet be utterly appalled at their taste in books. And that America is not Canada. And some other depressing and more systematic things that come in when I look at the large number pictures.
Ugh. It’s not even that I’m mad at anyone for liking it. (All our faves are problematic, mine as much so as anyone’s.) It’s just that I can’t imagine.
From my original review written right after I finished it:
“Every time I started to relax into the story (and there were quite a few such times), some awful piece of bigotry jarred me out of it and made me feel ashamed of having any liking for this book at all.”
I’ve read across 3 millennia and all the continents and I’ve never been so deeply averse to a competently written piece of prose. I cannot *imagine* finding it inspiring. (The movie also bothers me, for the record, though not nearly as much.)
It’s good to be reminded that these gaps in the human process of connecting and understanding each other exist.Report
” never been so deeply averse to a competently written piece of prose”
I mean, to be clearer, narrative prose, and one that I’ve actually read all of. It’s trivially easy to come up with far more upsetting examples of theoretically competent prose (say any document written to justify apartheid from a formal religious perspective, or the Dred Scott decision, or etc etc etc) – but this is the worst one I’ve really *read* without holding myself apart from it.
I kept expecting it to be worth it – so many people besides you have told me it was worth it – and it never, ever, was. Just kept making me hate the writer, and myself, every time I started to settle in.Report
” There was a page or two describing her ride through the city (Charleston?) where I felt so disgusted by the writer, and at myself for having all these complex excuse for wanting to keep reading, that I literally threw up.”
uhhhhhhwhat
I had a post here and I deleted it because it was mean, and I had another post and deleted it because it was mean, and wrote a third post and deleted it because it was mean, and I’m wondering whether it’s possible to not be mean to someone who has such a panic attack over reading a book that they throw up.Report
I mean, it’s just very odd to me that someone might so externalize their emotional reactions that they’d consider a work of text to be morally questionable because of the strength of their feelings about it.
If you wanna say “well you’re just a fucking lizard, you have no emotions and think they’re stupid, you aspie trash” y’know, I do have strong feelings when I experience media, but they’re from me. The media might be trying to inspire them but whatever happens is something I brought to the table. If something makes me feel sad in a way that I don’t like then I just don’t watch that movie again but there’s no moral judgement in that.
I also question the value of declaring media to be apologia for this or that odious attitude. It’s the same conversation we had with Gone Girl (oh, and by the way, if you guys want more women writing for this site and a wider range of voices then y’all got a funny fuckin’ way of showin’ it). “The antagonist in this work is someone whom IRL-bad-people also consider an antagonist, therefore we must criticize this work lest we be considered IRL-bad-people-adjacent”. And maybe this is part of the Separate The Icky Squicky that I consider important, and that it seems like some people cannot do; this transitive-reasoning that’s so popular these days, where Gone With The Wind portrayed a racist plantation-owner as the protagonist of a story and that’s bad and that made us feel bad and we can’t keep from assigning those bad feelings to other people who make us feel bad.Report
It’s the only time – *the only time* – that has ever happened for me.
Be mean about it or not, but that’s my experience, across 20 years of reading. This is the only book that I’ve felt like this about. And it wasn’t a panic attack (I’ve had plenty of those), it was just a notably physical experience of disgust. It’s because it’s so weird that it was worth mentioning, and because actually I would *rather not have read that book* and I read it because everyone and their damn mother convinced me it was worth it, and it wasn’t. If someone else is teetering and they want to know how unpleasant it might get, that’s how unpleasant it might get. Seems worth mentioning to other people who have strong physical reactions to their feelings once in a damn blue moon.
You can try to say personal experience doesn’t belong on the table all you want, but it is what it is.
And I have no desire to say anyone *must* criticize anything. As I implied above, the vast majority of the white American women I personally know, ie many of my dearest friends, fucking love this piece of racist propaganda written at a time when the Nazis were a going concern. Reading my comment that way doesn’t so much make you look like a lizard as it does make you look like you could stand to read what I actually said more carefully than you did.
Way to jump to conclusions.
PS I would never call anyone aspie trash, jesus.
PPS I’ve gone to bat for _Lolita_, repeatedly, for Pete’s sake. Why on earth you would think my dislike for this one must just be failure to be able to separate Icky Squicky is beyond me.Report
The thing about this is, I feel like you do understand intersectionality, inasmuch as you at least understand that different women will have different life experiences. In other words, I feel like you get the basic idea.
The foundations of interesectionality were the frustrations of black women dealing with 1) white feminists, who ignored (and often supported) racism, and 2) male civil rights activists, who ignored (and often supported) misogyny. It’s not a deep mystery. In fact, it’s entirely predictable that privilege and power don’t stop working even among social justice activists.
Second wave feminism arose because the women involved in the 60’s peace movement discovered that the men for “radical social change” wanted women to be obedient domestic sex-providers, the same as patriarchal men. In retrospect, this is unsurprising, although it is disappointing.
Regarding GWTW — it’s okay to have problematic faves. On the other hand, it’s pretty darn racist. So that’s a thing.
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I think there is a difference between “including every voice,” which isn’t possible for any one piece of media, and “actively dehumanizing a marginalized group,” which should always be avoided. So yeah, it’s fine for lesbians to “have their own thing,” but do those things need to be overtly racist? I don’t see why.
For example, not every piece of media needs to be by-and-for trans women. That said, if someone includes us in their story, I would insist that they not treat us as freaks or monsters.Report
Scarlett O’Hara is fun, a real person, and a trainwreck, but her overall plan is less “anti-hero” and more “villain protagonist”. It’s easy to lose track of that and she did grow during the story so there’s that.Report
and it does seem to be a really common result of a youth spent reading YA that people just can’t figure out how to deal with “villain protagonist” stories.Report
Scarlett O’Hara was Buffy Summers before there was a Sunnydale. Well…maybe Buffy after her Mom died. Anyway, I read GWTW long enough ago that I’ll be damned if I can remember details. Excellent post.Report
I feel like Kristin writing these is good for my blood pressure, because I don’t have to.
For the record, the second Academy Awards show had two female screenwriters nominated (in a field of 10 or so), though they both lost. The third Academy Awards show had only one female screenwriter, Frances Marion, nominated (in a field of five)—but she won the award.
What did she write about? Baking cookies? Romance?
Nope, she wrote “The Big House”, based on an exposé of inhumane prison conditions that led to a bunch of riots. She wrote literally hundreds of screenplays (though I think that’s less impressive in the silent years, heh) and won another Oscar—she may have been the first person to win two Oscars—shortly after with the classic Wallace Beery/Jackie Cooper flick, “The Champ”.
She was also a suffragette, perhaps unsurprisingly.Report
“find I am thoroughly fed up watching things of thevalue to women getting tossed onto the rubbish heap of history with nary a “meh” because they might contain some elements that are offensive to someone, because they were written at a place and time when well-intentioned people didn’t know better. ”
“I find intersectionality is impossible, and far too often the people who are expected to bend and accommodate are we of the female variety.”
I take issue with these quotes. With this quote you are trying to speak for all women, but you do not speak for me.
This is one of the problems I have with feminism. This quote completely cancels out black women. As Sojourner Truth says, “Ain’t I a woman?” I refuse to read Gone with the nor watch the movie, because the black women it it are marginalized. This is why I identify as Womanist not a Feminist
I refuse to feel bad for not liking a book/movie that marginalizes me as a black woman.Report
Also regarding your link about the tyranny of female niceness. If you have a problem with female niceness, than you should have no problem with my strong disagreement with your post. If I was indulging in female niceness I would just let your post stand with out comment.Report
At the end of the day people don’t hate the movie for portraying slavery. We hate it for lying about slavery. It’s a whitewash, a convenient whitewash for Scarlett, Margaret, and everyone else. Scarlett is pro Confederacy? Of course. The problem is not that she’s pro Confederate, it’s that the movie and book pretends that slavery was jolly good times.Report
Have you actually read the book? There were things done in the movie that were completely the antithesis of the presentation in the book.Report