46 thoughts on “Is It Ever Better Not to Know? | Quillette

  1. Secrets are power. If information about the nature of the world we live in is being concealed, one does have to wonder who gains power from that.

    Of course, this should not be read as support for secret systems that let cars be fueled with water that the oil industry doesn’t want you to know about.Report

    1. As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth’s final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

      Commissioner Pravin Lal, “U.N. Declaration of Rights”Report

      1. “As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth’s final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny.”

        I wasn’t aware of any tyranny here in America. I wonder which tyranny he is babbling about.Report

              1. @notme will say absolutely anything, no matter how dishonest, flatly bigoted, hypocritical, or generally reprehensible, if he thinks it will annoy a liberal. It is glaringly obvious that this how he operates.

                So fuck him. And if the posting rules preclude saying, “So fuck him,” well, so much worse for the rules.Report

              2. Well, I’m in no position of authority here, but I’d say that if you don’t like the rules here, you really ought to take your comments to one of the 10 bajillion blogs out there that are perfectly content to have commenters swearing at conservatives.Report

              3. I suppose that’s probably what will happen.

                It’s too bad, because I don’t want to swear at “conservatives”, just notme.Report

              4. Dude, it’s calling being mature or a “grown up”.

                Wasn’t there a whole damn thread about the concept freedom speech, especially for the views detested by the in groups?

                Man/woman up and relax.Report

              5. I’m not preventing notme from posting whatever bit of noxious nitwittery flickers through the pile of moldy gym socks that passes for his brain, just like you aren’t preventing me calling him an asshole by posting good advice that I’m going to disregard because meh.

                It’s all speech.Report

              6. My comment wasn’t directed at you trying to limit his posting. It was directed at you using language unneeded on this site…you know, the kind that gets “[Redacted].”

                Saul is very good at insulting libertarians and those he thinks are libertarian without actually, you know, insulting them directly.Report

              7. Notme lobs these obvious grenades, and you guys jump on them like you got a room full of 1st graders to save.

                If he says stupid shit, don’t engage.Report

              8. …lobs these obvious grenades, and you guys jump on them like you got a room full of 1st graders to save.

                I’ve got an idea: train the first graders to rush the bomb thrower.Report

              9. I don’t ask for any special treatment just what everyone else gets under the same rules. Don’t I derseve the same treatment, Kazzy? Tell me, yes or no?Report

        1. @notme

          It’s from a science fiction game called Alpha Centauri, one of the classics of the strategy genre. It’s is not a description of the United States as it presently exists.Report

    2. Oscar,
      The military. The liberals (whose ideology conflicts with reality). Even Television.
      Of course, sometimes the products of secrets are “freely” available. (drug research, say… — sell the drug that mysteriously works, and refuse to tell where you tested it.)Report

    1. Yeah; but it’s become one of those stories that’s too good to check, like “Columbus learned the Earth was round, before that Christians all thought it was flat” and “I can see Russia from my house”.Report

      1. These are all the more unnerving in an article about the spread of knowledge. Indeed, it seems particularly common for this kind of myth to be spread this way. We all lie to ourselves about “them” – the Dunning-Kruger people who aren’t as smart as we are – but we’re all idiots about something.Report

  2. I think it’s a harder question than my side likes to acknowledge.

    If we take as an assumption that political sausage making is a nasty business that can be “disinfected” by openness, is it better to do that disinfecting and risk not having sausage made, or just focus on whether the resulting sausage is good?

    I’d posit, for example, that part of the dysfunction in Washington is that we no longer have tools like earmarks to quietly slip into bills at the last second in order to get things done. I honestly don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing, since the earmarks themselves were often wasteful but not usually enough to tilt a given policy from “good” to “bad.”Report

    1. An important skill for watching political sausage-making is learning to not care when you see tongues going into the mixer.

      And some people just can’t do that. Some worry that the tongues were unsustainably harvested using non-carbon-neutral means. Some thing the tongue is haram. Some throw up at the thought of eating tongues.Report

      1. Indeed. I think not focusing on minor distractions is going to be a real problem going forward, as we’ll soon have political candidates who got drunk in College and posted pictures on facebook/twitter/etc. instead of those who did so without leaving a digital trail.

        People are going to need to learn not to care about imperfections rather than moralize over them. I predict it’ll be a long hard slog.Report

        1. Remember when Douglas Ginsburg’s Supreme Court nomination was derailed because it came out that he liked to blow a doob or two in college?

          Remember the same thing happening to Neil Gorsuch? Didn’t think so. It never even came up as a thing. (Not saying Gorsuch did or didn’t. He’s just of an age that it’s unlikely that he didn’t at least try it.)Report

          1. Norms are different. I think the garbage digital panopticon we’ve entangled ourselves in is more likely to trip up candidates who said stupid shit then who did stupid shit.

            Then again, we have President C-List Twitter Troll, so what do I know.Report

  3. One of the characteristics of digital media is that the official word on things is no longer the official word.
    That’s a paraphrase. You can find the original in Pavlik & McIntosh.Report

  4. Arguing in the affirmative against Commissioner Val is Agent Kay

    A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it.

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  5. Youtube believes that you really don’t want to see pictures of cats removing people’s eyes.
    I could give you half a hundred other examples of things you probably don’t want to know about.

    The issue is that if you don’t know about it, Law Enforcement also doesn’t know about it.

    Kid sits around all day playing video games in a diaper. Other kid videotapes this (including kid yelling at his mom to get his diaper changed)… Child Services gets called. But to do that, you need to leave the video up.Report

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