More Campus Palestine Protests, More Arrests, More Viral Video

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  1. Saul Degraw
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    From a legal standpoint, Columbia did not do anything illegal probably. Columbia is private university and New York, to my knowledge, does not have a law that extends Free Speech protections to private campuses. California has a law that does so.

    From a public relationship, standpoint, Columbia fished up big time and burned a lot of bridges in the most ham-fisted way humanly possible. This encourage a lot of non-students to come and join the protest and Columbia has even less control over them. They appear to be the ones going out for more aggression against Jewish students, staff, faculty, etc.

    So good job Columbia. Also it appears to be spreading to other universities in solidarityReport

    • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw
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      Universities are between a rock and hard place in dealing with the Pro-Palestinian activists. Credible accounts show that many are, or are being used to, menace Jewish students, staff, and faculty. At the same time, they also know how to use harsh actions against them to their benefit. So either Jewish students, staff, and faculty need to be told to deal with it or you crack down on them to get them to behave and hurt yourself.Report

  2. CJColucci
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    I’m old enough to remember the campus protests of the late 60s and early 70s. So are many of the administrators who have been arresting, suspending, and expelling protestors. I am not surprised that their efforts have caused protests to spread. They shouldn’t have been either.Report

    • InMD in reply to CJColucci
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      Why is there some greater duty owed to the students that want to LARP revolutionary than the ones paying good money for an education, and who are being denied it by these sorts of antics?Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to InMD
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        Free speech and assembly are protected in the Constitution, paying good money for an education is not.Report

        • InMD in reply to LeeEsq
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          Oh come on. You know the time, place, manner deal. Hang in the quad all night long with signs and chant to your heart’s content. Taking over a building is not, never has been, and never could be protected speech.

          Besides, part of civil disobedience is getting arrested and prosecuted.Report

          • LeeEsq in reply to InMD
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            I agree with the last sentence. I’m not personally sympathetic to the protestors but I don’t know if the Pro-Israel faction has the best strategy for making our arguments known. People might find the Pro-Palestinian protestors too in their face but they are making sure they aren’t being forgotten. The large but much less frequent rallies favored by the Pro-Israel side don’t seem to be making an argument.Report

        • Dark Matter in reply to LeeEsq
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          Freedom of speech doesn’t give you the right to force me to listen.
          Freedom of association doesn’t mean you can force me to associate with you.
          “Getting in my face” means “threatening me personally”.Report

        • Brandon Berg in reply to LeeEsq
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          Not on private property without permission of the property owners. And even on public property, there are time, place, and manner restrictions. You can’t nullify crime by attaching a speech act to it, or by calling it one.Report

  3. Jaybird
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    Yeah, let’s not forgive student debt.

    Maybe go to class a little more often and you’ll find yourself with the skills that employers are looking for, kids!Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Jaybird
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      Depends on the class:

      Police Deputy Commissioner Kaz Daughtry told Fox 5 New York that about 10 to 15 faculty members had “their hands tied together in a chain” and that they were “most aggressive” toward police officers. “They would not move, they would not let go,” he said, adding that staff were “physical” toward police.

      Report

  4. Saul Degraw
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    Today’s example of multiple things can be true:

    1. Congressional Republicans are acting in bad faith;

    2. Columbia University Admin committed a massive self-own and made their own situation worse by coming down on the protestors as hard as they did;

    3. The new protests are now bigger and this allows for malicious actors to let their anti-Semitic freak flags to fly and menace Jews or people they think are Jews;

    4. The new protests are big enough to allow other Jewish protestors to have a Seder in peace at the center of it all where things can be more contained as # 3 happens at the margin.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Saul Degraw
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      Re-reading #1… what does that have to do with Columbia? I went through the post and the comments and this comment, Saul’s comment, is the first one talking about Congress at all.

      Columbia is a private college and they can do whatever they want without interference from the Feds.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Saul Degraw
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      The “malicious actors” view themselves as mainstream pro-Palestinian. They may have the numbers for that.Report

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