What is Project 2025? And Should We Be Worried About It?

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David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Chip Daniels
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    When we discuss Project 2025, we should take an um, lets call it, an “Originalist” view where we use not only the text of the document, but also the writings and public statements of the authors in an effort to gain a complete understanding of their intent.Report

  2. Jaybird
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    “I quickly figured out that it’s hard to link the opposition claims to specific passages in the document.”

    Yeah.

    That’s kinda weird.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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      And yet:

      The meme also claims that Project 2025 would “reverse the FDA’s approval of abortion medication.” This is absolutely true and was easy to find.

      On page 458, Roger Severino writes, “Reverse its approval of chemical abortion drugs because the politicized approval process was illegal from the start.”

      A third claim is that Project 2025 would “gut the federal workforce and install loyalists.” In the Central Personnel Agencies section, a group of three authors advocates for streamlining and limiting the appeals of fired federal workers (page 75). The authors also favor a reduction in force that would begin with “a freeze on all top career-position hiring to prevent ‘burrowing-in’ by outgoing political appointees” (page 79). The authors also say, “It would make sense to give the President direct supervision of the bureaucracy with the OPM Director available in his Cabinet” (page 83) and favor a merit system for federal employees Project 2025 recommends reimplementing Trump’s Schedule F (page 80), which would reclassify large numbers of federal workers as political appointees to make them easier to fire… and replace with new political appointees.

      The AP reported recently that conservative activist Tom Jones (apparently not the singer) was working under a $100,000 grant from Heritage to, as the AP puts it, “post 100 names of government workers to a website this summer to show a potential new administration who might be standing in the way of a second-term Trump agenda — and ripe for scrutiny, reclassifications, reassignments or firings.” This would essentially be doxxing federal workers based on their political beliefs.

      Although the wording is obscure in Project 2025, the claim that Heritage wants to “gut” the federal workforce and allow current workers to be replaced with Trump loyalists seems to be true.

      Another item on the meme that was easy to find was number 12, allowing ICE to conduct immigration raids at schools, churches, and hospitals. This is confirmed on page 142 where Ken Cuccinelli (yes, that Ken Cuccinelli) writes, “All ICE memoranda identifying ‘sensitive zones’ where ICE personnel are prohibited from operating should be rescinded.”

      A quick search for “ICE sensitive zones” informed me that these include schools, healthcare facilities, places children gather, places where disaster relief is provided, funerals, weddings, and places of worship. The last is especially disappointing (and hypocritical) since Republicans made such an issue of mask mandates and emergency limits on gatherings in churches during the pandemic. Apparently, freedom of worship and the inviolability of places of worship only go so far (reference Leviticus 19:33-34 and numerous other verses).

      The problems with reading the document are the dry technical language is a) suitable for curing insomnia and b) obscures the ultimate effect of a lot of the policies being discussed. It’s easy to read the report without understanding the implications of what you’re reading.

      Context nmatters.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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        Was the politicized approval process illegal from the start?

        Now, I, personally, have a *LOT* of problems with the FDA. Tons. If there’s evidence that the approval process is captured, that’s not news to me but it might be news to others. Do they get into how the approval process was different here?

        If they do and if the politicized approval process was illegal, that’s vaguely interesting.

        Personally, I don’t think that the FDA should have jurisdiction over this sort of thing but drugs that are intimately involved with pregnancy are kind of why we have an FDA with this much power in the first place.

        As for “gut the federal workforce and install loyalists”, there’s the whole “deep state” thing.

        Remember when the “deep state” was a conspiracy theory back in 2016? Then, over time, it became the best thing that was fighting Trump’s tyranny? And now, it’s why Biden is successful and it doesn’t matter if he slows down a little between 4PM and 9:59AM? “That’s a conspiracy theory!” evolved slowly into “Hell yeah! It’s why we’re successful!”

        I’m not surprised that they’d tackle this one.

        But the framing of it as “they’d gut the people who are there and install loyalists!” could be rephrased effortlessly as “they’d get rid of the loyalists and replace them with other loyalists”.

        And I totally see how fans of the old loyalists would be opposed to that. Less able to see why fans of a vague meritocracy should get on board. Maybe an appeal to “but they have experience!” could work…

        As for “ICE sensitive zones”, it seems like they’re getting rid of the idea of “sanctuary areas”. This part sort of grates: “The last is especially disappointing (and hypocritical) since Republicans made such an issue of mask mandates and emergency limits on gatherings in churches during the pandemic.”

        Wasn’t it hammered out that, officially, this didn’t matter? Like, the church afficionados *LOST* that fight in a public way? Arrests and everything?

        I mean, if Team Evil lost that fight, them saying “Okay, let’s play by the new rules” isn’t hypocrisy. It’s them playing by the new rules. “You should treat us the way you wanted us to treat you!” does have some hypocrisy in it… but it’s, like, everywhere. Seems a strange criticism. Was there not a better criticism available?

        It’s easy to read the report without understanding the implications of what you’re reading.

        Yeah. Lotta that going around.Report

        • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird
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          “But the framing of it as “they’d gut the people who are there and install loyalists!” could be rephrased effortlessly as “they’d get rid of the loyalists and replace them with other loyalists”.”

          This makes sense when you consider that the Democrat concept of government is as a sort of referee for the scrum of interest groups fighting for shares of government goodies. In that paradigm it does make sense to complain about “loyalists” getting installed, because that’s the same kind of thing as bribing a referee in a sports game; they’re not there to pick winners or losers, they’re just there to keep score and make sure everyone plays by the rules. Saying “well there shouldn’t BE a government with so much power that we need to worry about loyalists” is like saying “well there shouldn’t BE referees for the sports game, everything should just be street ball”. And, y’know, people do like to watch street ball, but nobody would suggest that it would work as a game where you get paid serious money to play.

          (And, of course, if the rules are ones that progressive Democrats like, then that just goes to show how those are natural good rules that make sense and not icky team-picking favoritism.)Report

          • Chip Daniels in reply to DensityDuck
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            Only a portion of government appointees are allowed to be political; The rest, including Phillip, are protected from political pressure by the Progressive Era civil service reforms which overturned the “Spoils” system where the winning candidate was allowed to dole out government jobs as rewards.

            What 2025 does is return us to the Gilded Age corruption where ordinary government employees are now politicized.Report

        • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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          You do realize that I’m one of the people likely gutted under a Trump administration that follows that plan. After working for both Democrats and Republicans? Including Trump? Do you think I need firing for doing the jobs Congress gave me in statute and the President used his Article 2 powers to fulfill?Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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            I know that you have a personal material interest in Trump not winning but I thought it’d be polite to not mention it.

            How much do you want me to weigh the whole “Phil’s 401k depends on Biden winning” in my discussions with you on who you think is the moral choice for us all to make?Report

            • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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              I don’t bloody care how much you weigh it – by asking the question you clearly care not at all. I keep bringing my occupation into this because it seems worth reminding people that the federal government is not nameless faceless bureaucrats who can be hurt or dismissed without impunity. I fully realize its pedestrian and juvenile to expect anyone else here to stick up for us however.

              But you’d have to stake a clear position on who is the moral choice to make and why. So far you have run away from that opportunity every time it’s presented to you.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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                The moral choice? Third party. Do you want me to get into why or were you hoping to argue against someone who was voting for Trump or what?Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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                But you’d have to stake a clear position on who is the moral choice to make and why. So far you have run away from that opportunity every time it’s presented to you.

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              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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                By voting 3rd Party, you communicate that neither of the “real” candidates are good enough. It’s an official vote of “no confidence”.

                Saying that you don’t like Biden gets a “whatabout Trump?”
                Saying that you don’t like Trump gets a “whatabout Biden?”

                But saying “I choose a third option” will register, however minutely, “whatabout them?”

                It allows me to say “Nope.”

                I recommend that you do the same, actually. You live in a safe state, right? Communicate that you’re ticked off. Vote Third Party.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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                There won’t be many – if any – third party candidates in mississippi. We don’t get that kind of investment from them.

                That aside while I fully expect Trump to win Mississippi, I’d not call that “safe.”

                Plus I think Biden has done a good job with the situation he has been handed. The things I dislike aren’t going to be addressed the way I want, but the things I like are in greater number, so why would I vote against him?Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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                Maybe they’ll get more if they pick up more votes. You can help with that.Report

            • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird
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              “How much do you want me to weigh the whole “Phil’s 401k depends on Biden winning” in my discussions with you on who you think is the moral choice for us all to make?”

              Jaybird, look at how much he posts here now, and just imagine what he’d be like if he didn’t have to file TPS reports.Report

  3. Chip Daniels
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    The ambiguity is part of the plan.

    All tyrannical regimes work by crafting broad vision of who is to be feared and who is to be hated, then letting the laws be ambiguous enough so there is no “safe harbor” where compliance is assured.

    So for instance, they make it clear that Christians who are cishet are the favored group, then give unfettered power to the executive to hire and fire anyone he chooses, then let the civil servants make the obvious connection when they decide who gets rewarded and who gets punished.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to Chip Daniels
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      “The ambiguity is part of the plan.”

      which is literally what the Supreme Court was complaining about in Chevron, and I thought you lot all hated that one.Report

      • Philip H in reply to DensityDuck
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        SCOTUS can complain all it wants – Congress still writes the laws and the Executive has an Article 2 duty to faithfully execute them. Whether they are clear on every point that the Executive should do or not. It show modern government actually functions.

        Like Congress wrote laws governing commercial fishing America’s waters. Congress told the National marine Fisheries Service to implement those laws; it didn’t tell NMFS what catch limits to set for Pollock in Alaska. NMFS determined what catch limits to set based on scientific studies of reproduction and growth of pollock. And a lengthy public comment process including in person hearings in Alaska. To top it off NMFS established fishery management councils in Alaska (and elsewhere) to assess its decisions. Those councils have private sector members, state government members, academic members, and Tribal members.

        And thanks to the new Chevron decision, all that can now be swept away because Congress didn’t specifically tell NMFS to do all that to set catch limits. Which means catch limits will become arbitrary and subject to significant litigation. Wasting money. And time. And probably leading to fishery collapses.

        But sure – SCOTUS whined. I guess we should be grateful.Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to Philip H
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          SCOTUS wasn’t really complaining about ambiguity; It established more ambiguity by taking administrative decisions out of the hands of experts who use objective metrics, and put those decisions in the hands of judges who don’t need to use any metrics whatsoever.

          Again, this is the Project 2025 playbook -They give vast unchecked power to government to use in arbitrary ways.Report

        • DensityDuck in reply to Philip H
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          “thanks to the new Chevron decision, all that can now be swept away because Congress didn’t specifically tell NMFS to do all that to set catch limits.”

          but…isn’t the legislation not defining catch limits ambiguous…?Report

          • Philip H in reply to DensityDuck
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            Let me repeat – Congress has never written laws specific enough to answer SCOTUS current bent. That’s not how lawmaking works in the US. Plus requiring Congress to legislate at that level of detail means Congress has to have a cadre of subject matter experts big and broad enough to deal with these issues to that level. Which means making government bigger.Report

            • Chip Daniels in reply to Philip H
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              And the irony is that the [Republican] administrative state is given unlimited unchecked power to determine how a law can be enforced.

              Who gets to decide when a woman’s life in in danger and needs an abortion?
              Some district attorney somewhere.

              Who gets to decide what constitutes “pornography”?
              Some school board member.

              Who gets to decide what is a “Biblically based family”?

              You guessed it some bureaucrat.

              They only hate the administrative state that hinders them, the same way that they love cops until they block the door to the Capitol, then they want to kill them.Report

            • DavidTC in reply to Philip H
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              No, it doesn’t actually mean that, what it means is the industry lobbyists write the laws. Especially since Republicans have consistently stripped away the research systems within Congress.

              It really is amazing watching the sheer hypocrisy from people who have been claiming for years to care about industry capture, aka, a revolving door between the people writing the regulations and industry itself (a thing which is objectively bad), but apparently being fine with the industry just literally writing the regulations and handing them to Congressentities to pass directly into law with no public hearings or comment period or anything. Because that is what is going to happen.Report

  4. Chip Daniels
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    Another in a long line of examples:

    Where warranted and proper under federal law, initiate legal action against local officials—including District Attorneys—who deny American citizens the “equal protection of the laws” by refusing to prosecute criminal offenses in their jurisdictions. This holds true particularly for jurisdictions that refuse to enforce the law against criminals based on the Left’s favored defining characteristics of the would-be offender (race, so-called gender identity, sexual orientation, etc.) or other political considerations (e.g., immigration status). (P.553)

    In true Soviet style, “denying equal protection” here is defined as not prosecuting whoever the DOJ feels is being insufficiently prosecuted.

    There are no metrics of how a district attorney might comply with this directive; No matter what decisions are made in prosecution, the DOJ can simply punish the DA based on nothing more than an arbitrary subjective opinion.

    But the second sentence makes it clear who is to be hated; So every DA around the country knows that they have to strive to demonstrate how they are prosecuting the members of the disfavored racial, gender, and orientation groups.Report

    • DavidTC in reply to Chip Daniels
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      It’s worth mentioning that we’ve never enforced ‘equal protection’ by going after prosecutors who fail to arrest people.

      This country literally had _systemic_ lack of enforcement of lynching of Black men by a terrorist organization called the KKK, where local authorities flatly refused to prosecute, and not a single one of those local authorities were ever arrested or punished in any way. Even when we came up with federal laws to stop this behavior, it was by having the federal government prosecute the people doing the lynching, not the local authorities.

      Hell, right now, and we have talked about this problem literally on this site, we have a problem where prosecutors will not prosecute police officers for obvious crimes, because they work closely with the police. We’ve talked about this problem repeatedly, and I don’t remember a single instance of anyone ever suggesting that those prosecutors should themselves be prosecuted. Voted out, yes, sure. Some sort of alternate system setup that doesn’t have to work so closely with police so can actually do the prosecutions? Yeah, that too. but arrested for failing to prosecute someone?

      It’s actually hard to express how fascist that is, how much this is a stealth attempt to just skip right outside of the Overton window. Just start arresting prosecutors who aren’t doing what you want them to do, and of course what you want them to do is to prosecute more minorities, they even come out and say it.

      Addition: it’s also worth pointing out how nonsense this claim is, and what they’re actually going to use it to do. There’s no jurisdiction that doesn’t prosecute people because they’re Black. There are jurisdictions that do things like not prosecute homeless people, or people for minor shoplifting offenses, and often those offenders tend to be black. And often it’s just because they simply get arrested more because of their race for those things.

      There’s no prosecutor actually doing bigoted enforcement of the law in favor of minorities, that’s a thing that simply doesn’t happen.Report

      • DavidTC in reply to DavidTC
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        … Sort of ran out of time there, that’ll teach me to try to edit a comment instead of just making a new one.

        There are large swaths of crime that the poor end up doing more than the rich, each economic class sort of has its own different crime.

        Right now, prosecution of those crimes is extremely tilted towards the poor.

        Which means, thanks to generations of economic discrimination, is extremely tilted towards minorities. This is in addition to the fact that the law tends to be enforced against them even more than that.

        So it is incredibly easy to find crimes that Black people commit more than white people. Historically, we have prosecuted these a lot worse, because that’s simply how this country works. And it’s easy to find places where prosecutors have backed off of these crimes that often cause very little harm and are extremely selectively enforced. In favor of stuff like, you know, murder and rape… And even things like white collarfraud. Some of them have even noticed how surreal it is to have huge penalties and years in prison for theft of $50 and a slap on the wrist for defrauding dozens of people out of hundreds of thousands. And have made the choice, which is entirely within their prosecutorial discretion, to go after the fraudsters who steal life savings instead of the shoplifters who run off with baby food to feed their own kids.

        What the Heritage Foundation is actually going to do here is trying to figure out places where prosecutors have backed off of those crimes, and attempt to punish this, in a way that is unclear. It is possible to argue that they plan to merely sue jurisdictions, but they do specifically start out talking about ‘local officials’ instead of just the jurisdictions.

        And I should point out that, once whatever process they’re talking about has been set up, nothing actually requires them to only use against prosecutors who make such ‘biased’ decisions like not enforcing laws against homelessness or loitering while Black. They could easily find a prosecutor who didn’t prosecute a case simply because they didn’t have good evidence so didn’t think they could get a conviction, and _claim_ it was because of the defendant was Black or queer. Once you’ve introduced this idea that you can do this, especially you can do this if they are not prosecuting minorities enough, you’ve built a world where you have to prosecute minorities even if the case isn’t going to work. (Or at least prosecute others enough to bump up the average.)

        Or, hell, maybe they would even still sue, on the grounds of the DA didn’t do enough.

        This is an insane precedent to set up, and I’m actually someone who thinks prosecutorial discretion is somewhat overused, but this cannot possibly be a way to solve it as opposed to a way to scare prosecutors to prosecute minorities, it’s literally in the actual text of what they’re proposing, they’re just full masks off.Report

  5. Chip Daniels
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    Another banger:
    Making abortion illegal in every state:

    Federal law prohibits mailing “[e]very article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing which is advertised or described in a manner calculated to lead another to use or apply it for producing abortion.”75 Following the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs, there is now no federal prohibition on the enforcement of this statute. The Department of Justice in the next conservative Administration should therefore announce its intent to enforce federal law against providers and distributors of such pills. (P. 562)

    Remember when they said they wanted to return abortion decisions to the states?

    Haha, sucker!Report

  6. Philip H
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    Talk about glossing over history:

    Left to our own devices, the American people rejected European monarchy and colonialism just as we rejected slavery, second-class citizenship for women, mercantilism, socialism, Wilsonian globalism, Fascism, Communism, and (today) wokeism. To the Left, these assertions of patriotic self-assurance are just so many signs of our moral depravity and intellectual inferiority—proof that, in fact, we need a ruling elite making decisions for us.

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