Who Remembers the Fire?
As many Americans did over the Easter weekend, my family went on a road trip. While driving, my daughter and I like to engaged in the traditional road trip pastime of singing along with the radio. I don’t want to brag, but I have karaoke quality voice (take that however you want) and at this point in my life I have a pretty in-depth knowledge of quite a few song lyrics.
One song that I know quite well is Billy Joel’s “We Didn’t Start the Fire.“ As a longstanding history nut, I’ve loved this song since it was first released in 1989. If you’ve never heard the song, it’s a chronological list of events and people that Billy Joel remembers from his life.
Born in 1949, a lot of Billy’s memories relate to the 1950s and 60s. I was born in… a later year… (yeah, that’s the ticket) so I don’t have firsthand memories of most of the milestones mentioned in the song’s lyrics, but I did learn about a lot of them through history and pop culture.
As a humble brag, I learned almost all of the song’s lyrics from singing along repeatedly over about 30 years, although some I continue to fumble. A couple I really didn’t know until I looked at the lyrics as I wrote this. A few others I learned from listening to some episodes of the “We Didn’t Start the Fire” podcast, a series that took each lyrical mention individually. I never finished the series, but I did learn a few things. For example, what I heard as “stockbroker homicide” was actually “Starkweather homicide,” a reference to a 1958 murder spree by Charles Starkweather.
The name “Prokofiev” was also a lyric that I mumbled over until tonight. I looked it up and Sergei Prokofiev was a Russian composer who died in 1953. Until now, I kind of thought that the line went something like “Nasser in Prokofiev” instead of “and.” I thought Prokofiev might have been a place.
Despite a few lingering mysteries, I could probably write at least a paragraph about most of the lyrics in the song. Of the remainder, I at least know what most of the other lyrics refer to. But then again, I’m an avid reader, a history nut, and storehouse of useless trivia.
As I sang along with Billy over the weekend, I pondered that some of the events and people that dominate our days probably won’t be remembered in another 30 years, let alone 100. What often seems important to us now is just a fleeting moment.
Sergei Prokofiev was important to Billy Joel, but how many people know who he is today? How many people remember Charles Starkweather or the 10 people he murdered?
When the song gets to the 70s and 80s, a lot of personal memories are triggered. The lyrics come at me like headlines that I remember reading and watching on television, but while “rock and roll” needs little explanation for younger listeners, I’m sure that few have any idea what the “cola wars” reference is all about. I know the meaning of “Bernie Goetz” and “hypodermics on the shore” because I remember those stories when they first broke, but I’m sure that they seem like nonsensical terms to younger listeners.
That got me thinking: How much of the “big” stories that dominate our daily lives will turn out to actually be big stories that matter in our lives? Probably not many.
Some of the lyrics of our lives will change the course history like “JFK blown away, what else do I have to say?” Others, like the cola wars, will be quickly forgotten.
The key is to know what matters. The assassination of a president or a war matters in the grand scheme of history. Wars alter the course of nations and impact thousands or millions.
But Elvis and Prokofiev and “Peyton Place” can also make a big splash at the time. Music and art can touch millions as well, but then it becomes old and is replaced by the next big thing.
And a lot of stuff that makes a big splash doesn’t matter at all. A lot of the stories that I like to call the Outrage Du Jour are simply meant to generate clicks and comments, get the reader fired up, and then be forgotten as the next outrage appears.
Most of the stuff that we sit online and argue about is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Even when the issue is an important one, our internet discussions won’t affect the outcome.
Even when it comes to elections, you probably aren’t going to win over opposing voters in an internet discussion. Maybe this is why so many partisans don’t even try to persuade people anymore. They just insult and move on.
What’s more, even if you can win over a voter, their vote, especially in a presidential election, doesn’t really matter. If you don’t live in a swing state, it really doesn’t matter who you vote for.
I guess my point is that a lot of the stuff that we think is important really isn’t. Most of the things that consume our day-to-day lives won’t be remembered in a few decades, maybe not even next year.
So spend your time wisely. We are each allotted with a limited amount of time on earth, and considering that, time is a terrible thing to kill.
But don’t completely check out and complain as Solomon did that “everything is meaningless” (Ecclesiastes 1:2). Some things do matter. The key is determining what matters, what doesn’t, and not confusing the two.
People matter. Our impact on our spouses and children matter.
And yes, voting and politics do matter in the aggregate. It’s just that your vote is worth most in the smallest elections rather than the big presidential elections that everyone cares about.
What will matter in 100 years? There is an updated version of “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Fall Out Boy that offers some suggestions.
I think that there are some JFK-being-blown-away level issues being decided right now. Will we let Vladimir Putin dismantle Europe piece by piece? Will we let Islamic radicals slaughter peopled they assume to be Jewish? Should we let China have its way with Taiwan? Will we elect a man who may well dismantle more than 200 years of mostly-peaceful constitutional government?
Some things matter. And it matters which side you’re on.
Just as few people would admit to being a segregationist in the Civil Rights Era (the “Little Rock” and “Ole Miss” lyrics), I think there will come a day when few people will want to admit that they were sympathetic to Putin or Trump. They will be like bad memories of how we had a some very close calls. Hopefully, they will be relegated to the footnotes of history. Maybe my kids will have to explain references to the pair in the lyrics of some future cover of “We Didn’t Start the Fire.”
And if, one day, I have a band that writes that new cover, I hope that band is called the Space Monkey Mafia.
I think that there are some JFK-being-blown-away level issues being decided right now. Will we let Vladimir Putin dismantle Europe piece by piece? Will we let Islamic radicals slaughter peopled they assume to be Jewish? Should we let China have its way with Taiwan? Will we elect a man who may well dismantle more than 200 years of mostly-peaceful constitutional government?
What would a 2014 list of questions look like?
Let’s say that we want to discuss when the US pulled out of Afghanistan. How would we frame it?
“Are we really going to put the Taliban back in power, returning them to a ‘bombing the Bamiyan Buddhas’ status quo?”
And now it’s a few years after the pullout. Was the pullout a catastrophe? Was it a “what did you expect?” kind of collapse? Do we immediately want to start defending Joe Biden right now from this, seriously, unfair attack on his presidency?
Because I look at your questions and just see “trouble in the Suez” three times and, maybe, one thing worth mentioning in a song a decade hence.Report
1) I always wondered what city he had in mind when he sang about how there was “trouble in the sewers”.
2) I always thought “Space Monkey Mafia” would be a good name for a Billy Joel tribute act.Report
NYC. The C.H.U.D.s.Report
“Most of the stuff that we sit online and argue about is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Even when the issue is an important one, our internet discussions won’t affect the outcome.”
Yep, that pretty much defines this site.
“What’s more, even if you can win over a voter, their vote, especially in a presidential election, doesn’t really matter. If you don’t live in a swing state, it really doesn’t matter who you vote for.” The reason I basically have no interest in politics anymore, and why I stopped voting.Report
Here’s a question: The new version of We Didn’t Start the fire is chronologically disjointed- to make it rhyme and scan they leap around in time back and forth for issues which bothers me enormously. Is the original also chronologically disjointed? I feel like the issues it rhymes off are, more or less, in order at least by decade.Report
On a long enough time line, nearly everything is forgotten by the vast majority of people.
In 100 years the JFK assassination will be regarded much closer to McKinley’s than Lincoln’s.
Chuck Klosterman made the argument in one of his books that in 200 years, if “Rock N Roll” is even remembered, it will be associated with Elvis and/or the Beatles and basically no one else. Only a subculture of enthusiasts will be able to dive much deeper than that. Similar to how marches are synonymous with John Philip Sousa almost exclusively (and he only died in 1932!).Report
After the Berlin Wall fell, Roger Waters did a concert of The Wall at the site of The Wall and I thought that that was so cool and historic and how people would be talking about that for decades.
People don’t even listen to the original album anymore.
Hell, it was one of my favorite albums for years and I haven’t even listened to so much as Comfortably Numb since before the pandemic.Report
Many years ago, I read a book entitled “The Causes of The Civil War”. It was interesting for several reasons, one of them being the way it implicitly demonstrated that historians go through phases, or maybe even fashions. I’d been vaguely aware of this before. When I grew up, even though there were probably very few actual communists, there was a lot of dialectical materialism in the air. I was taught that the North and South had different economic systems, and that made conflict inevitable. This wasn’t the only thing I was taught, but it was clear that if you wanted to move beyond the names and dates and really understand history, this was the new approach you were supposed to take.
If historians can’t be trusted to filter out historical noise, we can’t be sure that they’re converging on historical accuracy. And it casts doubt on the whole idea of expertise.
I still value knowledge and recognize the importance of impersonal forces and ideas, but I also believe in the impact of individuals and key moments. It’s not hard to see why the Soviet system fell, but the trends behind the fall were there for a long time. There are breakpoints in history, and we usually can’t predict them. Nineteen hijackers or six Supreme Court justices can change the course of events. So, how many “small” events, even forgotten ones, are really bigger than we realize? How many daily internet debates are about important things? You can’t win history if you don’t play.Report
Basically, yeah, that last paragraph. It’s a really good thought, in the OP and echoed here, that so many of the things that seem to explode into our brains are evanescent and ultimately not particularly consequential. A good reminder of that. Looking at the Fallout Boy lyrics (I was unaware this song existed at all until today) I see things like:
Sandy Hook, Columbine, Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice
ISIS, LeBron James, Shinzo Abe blown away
Meghan Markle, George Floyd, Burj Khalifa, Metroid
Fermi paradox, Venus and Serena
Oh-oh-oh, Michael Jordan, 23, YouTube killed MTV
SpongeBob, Golden State Killer got caught
Michael Jordan, 45, Woodstock ’99
Keaton, Batman, Bush v. Gore, I can’t take it anymore
Some of this is significant (“Sandy Hook, Columbine”), some of it actually might not be but I want it to be (“Michael Jordan, 23, YouTube killed MTV”), and some of it’s obviously trivial (“Michael Jordan, 45, Woodstock ’99”). How much impact has the relatively recent assassination of Shinzo Abe had on us? Damn near none, so far as I can tell.
But we still have to sort through it all and sift what’s important from what isn’t, and that isn’t always easy. Especially in a world as noisy as ours.Report
I don’t think you caught my meaning. I believe that there’s substance behind some of these arguments we dismiss as trivial, even if they follow the topic of the day.
About 10 days ago, The Daily Wire and Candace Owens parted company. Ben Shapiro has been passionate in his support of Israel, and Candace has been aggressively critical. She at least flirted with anti-Semitism, depending on how you interpret tweets. At one point she posted “Christ is King”. It was clear the situation couldn’t continue.
Andrew Klavan was the first of the Daily Wire hosts to have a show after the announcement of the parting (it’s still not clear if she was fired or quit). He spoke candidly and off-script as a Jew and a Christian, as a friend of Candace and of Ben. Some of his comments were controversial, and he clarified them on his show a week later. But the whole thing resulted in some theological debates on the right during Holy Week. Is it ever wrong to say “Christ is King”? Is it anti-Semitic? Has G-d ended His covenant with the Jews? Have the Jews? And to the core of the matter: who is to be saved? What must a person do to attain heaven?
I’m not going to say that all the discussions have been thoughtful or respectful. But they’re important. It’s not good if the very people debating these things have written them off as trivial. I don’t think I’m going to change many opinions here (or elsewhere) but it’s important that we all try. Arendt wrote that “a mixture of gullibility and cynicism is prevalent in all ranks of totalitarian movements, and the higher the rank the more cynicism weighs down gullibility”. We internet chatterers need to avoid cynicism, because we’re already somewhat gullible. So while we don’t have to debate every story of the day, we need to take the meaning of them seriously.Report
Yeah, that’s a very different meaning than I thought at first read. Apologies for mistaking your message. I’ll take to heart that maybe there are levels to seemingly superficial things that can turn deep. Discovering heretofore-unseen levels of understanding is one of the interesting things that can happen when people of different perspectives and opinions interact. So, cheers!Report