Speaker Vacancy Stymies House Work

Sanford Horn

Sanford D. Horn is a writer and educator living in Westfield, IN. He is married with two daughters.

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  1. Jaybird says:

    I wonder at how this will play out given the, erm, recent events.

    Is this going to be something that gives Gaetz more power or is he going to say something like “Like the CIA, I had no idea this was coming” and get lockstep with everybody else in the caucus?Report

  2. James K says:

    For future speakers, I suggest taking a leaf out of Germany’s book. The German Chancellor can only be removed from office by having a new Chancellor elected to replace them. It’s called a “constructive vote of no-confidence”.Report

  3. Philip H says:

    Interesting and deeply flawed view of government spending.

    Take university research – most of it is funded by NIH, NSF, DoD, NOAA, and a host of other agencies through competitive grants. Cut that and there is not enough private sector money to go around.

    Don’t like government picking business winners and losers via subsidies? Then we better see ethanol and sugar at the top of the list. Want to kill off infrastructure bill spending – fine, just be ready for a wave of bridge closings and collapses that snarl up our ever more congested highways.

    And then we come to “non-essential” Feds. A designation I detest since I’m in it. But beyond that, contracting officers are non-essential under current furlough rules (which is where the legal definition of that term exists). I can see problems laying them off what with IG after IG filing reports for decades screaming that we don’t have enough of them for building our ships or planes or weather satellites. For that matter, administrative law judges who handle immigration matters are non-essential in a furlough – which is amusing since their overworked underfunded system is something you seem to want to expand the use of.

    Finally – show me the numbers on how we can remove the 11 w or so undocumented migrants in the US without seriously damaging the housing, agricultural and meat packing industries who rely heavily on migrants. People who committed one civil crime of entering the US without papers under a system that won’t give most of those papers in an economy desperate for their services. I remain deeply skeptical it can be done – to say nothing of my fears of the police state necessary to do it.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Philip H says:

      To add some numerical context – the President’s Budget Request for 2024 includes $101.2 Billion for federal agencies to fund research of all kinds. The 2023 Appropriation was for $97.7 Billion. DoD was appropriated $797.6 billion for the same period.Report

  4. Philip H says:

    Steve Scalise of Louisiana has won the secret ballot contest to be the GOP speaker nominee, 133 – 99. It remains to be seen if he can whip his opponents into line for a solid vote.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Philip H says:

      Correction 113-99Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

      As far as I can tell, he’d be the first speaker to have been shot prior to getting the job since the 1800’s.Report

      • Pinky in reply to Jaybird says:

        That’s weird, but I think you’re right. I’m sure Jim Wright was shot *at* as a bombardier during WWII, but there’s no mention of a Purple Heart.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Pinky says:

          Alas:

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          • Philip H in reply to Jaybird says:

            He couldn’t get 217. None of them can. They beclown themselves as the world watches, points and laughs. But sure, remind me again why the GOP should be in charge of anything anymore?

            Republican Rep. Mark Alford of Missouri told reporters after Scalise’s exit from the race Thursday evening that one lawmaker had remarked: “‘You know, you could put Jesus Christ up for speaker of the House and he still wouldn’t get 217.’”

            Rep. Austin Scott told Raju the GOP’s inability to elect a new speaker driven by small group of holdouts “makes us look like a bunch of idiots.”

            “We’ve got a very small group of people that they have to have everything their way. We had a group that sabotaged Speaker McCarthy and now we’ve had a group that sabotaged Steve Scalise, both of them great people,” he said.

            https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/politics/house-republicans-speaker-fight/index.htmlReport

            • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

              I wonder if this would benefit from more transparency. What do the 8 holdouts want?

              What do the 205ish want?

              Maybe we could find enough common ground to shame them into making a deal with the dems!Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird says:

                The 8 want deep budget cuts, a national abortion ban, and other far right legislation that 1) will never pass in the Senate and 2) is deeply unpopular with Americans including their own constituents. GOP moderates can offer them nothing to get them to back down, and any GOP moderate who votes with Democrats will be primaried from the right in the spring. The 8 are also generally in “safe” GOP districts created by gerrymandering, so they will be assured of reelection no matter how they behave. And there is no incentive for the Democrats to help them because there is no legislative priority or concession anyone in the GOP can offer that won’t cost the GOP current members in the next election.

                The GOP has backed themselves into this hilarious and dark corner because they consider Democrats illegitimate in governing. They can not capitulate their way out of this.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

                Welp, then I guess we’re stuck.

                Pity we can’t use the “they should be pragmatic and willing to compromise on their principles” argument…Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird says:

                Use it all you want. it would be a nice return to the prior version of “normal.” Just understand the people driving this fiasco see no benefit to compromise. And the people adjacent to them in the GOP see less benefit to compromise then to letting the fight go on. Democrats can’t offer them anything to change their analysis.

                Is it maddening – you bet. But its also a logical conclusion of the desire to be a minority party ruling – not governing – a world superpower.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

                Hey, the democrats should be pragmatic and willing to compromise on their principles in order to get a speaker elected.Report

              • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

                To Philip’s point that’s the paradox the Republicans have worked themselves into. The more moderate the Republican the more dangerous compromise has become. Make a deal with the Democrats and you lose a primary to whatever nut Republican primary voters fancy, and maybe even end up turning the seat blue.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

                Maybe turn the seat blue?

                I’m not seeing a downside for the dems to offer easy terms. They don’t even have to say “WE WILL HOLD OUT ON ABORTION!” or anything like that.

                “Sure. We’ll let you vote on that. We’d be happy to make sure you guys can vote on that. We just want a speaker again. For the good of the country.”Report

              • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

                Oh I agree they shouldn’t be asking for much. My proposed price is below. A reasonable bipartisan budget. It’s the GOP that’s too paralyzed to do even that. The only thing the Democrats can’t do is give support 100% free of charge (and they haven’t even been asked to), which is just normal legislative politics.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

                Let’s hope we don’t find out how much we need a House.

                They’d best hope we don’t find out how little we need one.Report

              • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

                I think their hope is that a critical mass of the voting public looks at this situation and says the GOP is not capable of governing so we should vote for Democrats instead. That’s totally normal and the way things are supposed to work. The same forces should be pushing the Republicans to get their act together so they can make the case to keep and expand their majority. Conditions should favor them given Biden’s low approval ratings and ongoing discontent about inflation. And yet they can’t even govern themselves much less make a pitch.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

                They are completely useless and unable to govern.

                I hope they get thrown out on their keisters.Report

              • Marchmaine in reply to InMD says:

                Not to sound snarky, but I honesty don’t think ‘capable of governing’ is a voting category.

                I mean that seriously. Like ‘governing’ isn’t something the guy/gal you’re voting for does, it’s what all the other people you aren’t voting for prevent.Report

              • InMD in reply to Marchmaine says:

                I don’t want to overstate the potency. The Democrats fortunes will be determined by a lot more than how badly the GOP shoots itself in the foot. But it’s not like ‘we are for stability and keeping the government functioning so we can serve the people and solve your problems’ is some unheard of message, particularly in the face of high visibility disarray by the other side.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird says:

                what do you think they can offer the GOP as a compromise?Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

                “A speaker” is the first thing that comes to mind.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird says:

                Hakim Jeffries has been nominated again by his conference to run. The GOP won’t schedule an election until they have a candidate. And here we are.Report

              • InMD in reply to Philip H says:

                All the Democrats should be asking for in exchange for support is a reasonable, bipartisan budget that includes a combination of cuts and tax increases to lower the deficit. That this is a bridge too far for the GOP with a razor thin majority is all anyone needs to know.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Philip H says:

                We need to put up billboards with a picture of Nancy Pelosi saying “Miss Me Yet?”Report

              • North in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Let’s not. It’d only seem witty to those already in the tent.Report

  5. Jaybird says:

    Huh.

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