Speed Gripping

Will Truman

Will Truman is the Editor-in-Chief of Ordinary Times. He is also on Twitter.

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  1. Murali says:

    I think that it is very dangerous to interfere with the driver’s ability to control the speed of their car.

    I do not know whether there will actually be any safety advantage to directly limiting the top speed you may go over merely reminding you that you have gone over the speed limit.Report

  2. Damon says:

    Also, note there will NOT be a opposite limiter, preventing someone from going 30 miles BELOW the speed limit. People get pissed that some “grandma” is doing substantially below the posted limit due to fear, lack of confidence, etc. Combine that with the incessant need for “safety” by reducing passing zones on highways (check the numerous youtube vids on the subject) and sooner or later everyone’s going to be driving at the speed of the slowest driver.Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to Damon says:

      A well-known driving behavior is that when someone is overtaking a slower vehicle in heavy traffic and can’t change lanes, they will slow to a speed just a bit slower than the vehicle in front of them, then accelerate a bit to match speeds. In sufficiently heavy traffic, this causes the next vehicle to slow a bit more. The effect ripples back down the highway and eventually just a bit slower means stopped. Pretty much everyone’s been on a high-speed highway in an urban area and come to stop in that type of traffic jam. As the leading edge of the jam passes and you can begin to speed up again, you look for a stalled car, or accident, or some other cause, and never see one.Report

  3. Michael Cain says:

    My father did field audits and safety inspections for an insurance company across a chunk of the Great Plains and prairies. At one point he had accumulated 750,000 miles with no accidents or tickets. After I got my driver’s license he made me chauffeur him around the SE part of Nebraska during a Christmas break to, as he said, “put some polish on.” One of his principles was that much of safe driving in traffic is to be part of the herd. “If everyone is driving 10 mph above the speed limit, you should do it too. If everyone is driving 10 mph below the speed limit, same deal.”

    OTOH, how many places/times in NYC will someone in a city fleet vehicle be in a position where everyone around them is driving 10 mph over the speed limit?Report

  4. Ben Sears says:

    If I see a car ahead of me drifting lanes or otherwise driving poorly I want to punch it past them if I’m overtaking them. Along the same lines, anyone who’s ever had a semi decide to merge into a space you happen to occupy knows how important a burst of speed can be. I don’t want to have to search for a button that I rarely use to allow me to navigate an emergency. if this goes mainstream look for me on the highway. I’ll be the one with the antique plates.Report

  5. fillyjonk says:

    this reminds me of the periodic discussion you hear of “we should have ignition locking breathalyzers on all cars” – meaning everyone, even folks who don’t touch alcohol, have to blow into a tube before their car will start.

    Yes, drunk drivers are a menace, but I don’t think it justifies this level of intrusion into people’s lives.

    Granted, this is a little different, and right now they’re only talking “NYC fleet vehicles” but I could see some folks calling for this to be standard on cars – and as Ben points out, that may well cause more highway safety hazards than it prevents. (Speaking as someone who’s had to “punch it” to avoid getting flattened by a pickup driver who started to lanes without paying much attention)Report

  6. Pat says:

    The odds od you needing to gun it to outmaneuver a potential accident go way, way down if the other car is speed limited. And if you do get in an accident you’re probably not traveling at injury speeds.

    Also you’re not going to pancake some pedestrian because you gun it and overcorrect and slide off the street.

    People vastly overestimate their ability to track and respond to cars moving at flank speed.Report

  7. InMD says:

    I think this sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. If we get to self-driving cars so be it, but anything that harms a driver’s ability to control their vehicle or causes them to behave in a way that is unpredictable to other drivers is going to create its own dangers. Our SUV has a lane assist, which I disabled after one day of driving with it due to how unnerving it was on the highway.Report

  8. Oscar Gordon says:

    It shouldn’t be a button, that is all kinds of stupid, it needs to be a natural behavior.

    If I need to punch it, I should punch it. If I max out the accelerator, the limiter turns off for 30 seconds to a minute. Once the time is up, it’s a dead pedal until you come back to the speed limit.

    Now, what cars really need is not speed limiters, but a$$hole limiters. If traffic is merging and you try to close the gap so the guy entering the highway has to get behind you (instead of being allowed to properly zipper merge ahead of you), the car loudly tells you to stop being an a$$hole and kills the accelerator pedal.Report

  9. Saul Degraw says:

    I will note that the reason Americans have many more car accidents is that we seemingly decided as a society to just accept them. There is a show on Netflix imported from Japan called “my first chore” or something like that. The show features very young Japanese children (usually under 6 or 7) doing their first solo chore alone (well with a film crew in the distance). The show can have young children out doing chores on their own in urban environments. Henry Grabar had an essay on Slate about how Japanese cities are designed to be more pedestrian friendly through much slower speed limits in urban/town areas among other design issues.

    I live near a university. There are several blocks with cross walks to the university campus. Many of these cross walks do not have traffic lights or crossing signs. The speed limit in this area is 30 miles an hour. This is way too fast during the school year when you have university students constantly crossing too and fro. Americans in general are way too self-impressed with their own driving style. A few weeks ago, there was another story about a child who died in Texas after being hit by a big car in an area allegedly not safe for pedestrians or cyclists according to the law enforcement in Texas: https://slate.com/business/2022/09/houston-8-year-old-bicycle-death-unsafe-streets-chase-delarios.html

    “The speed limit on this road is 30 miles per hour, as it is on roads in all Texas cities. Last year a Texas lawmaker introduced a bill to lower the speed limit on such roads to 25 miles per hour. Cars traveling 30 miles per hour are 43 percent more likely to kill pedestrians they hit than cars traveling 25 miles per hour, according to the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. This is the lawmaker’s third attempt to pass this bill, and it seems to have been just as successful as the first two times, as nothing has happened to the bill in more than a year. (We don’t know how fast the driver of the Hyundai was traveling. Maybe she was going less than 30 miles per hour. Or maybe she was going faster; after all, Google Street View suggests you can drive the entire length of Kings Mill Road, a circuit of nearly a mile, and never see a single speed limit sign.)

    And notably, the driver who struck and killed Chase Delarios was driving a midsize SUV. The heavier the car, the more likely it is to kill a person if it strikes them. At between 3,500 and 5,000 pounds (depending on specific model), a 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe is more than a match for an 8-year-old and his bike. (The post-crash local news coverage shows the bike, horribly, jammed under the Hyundai’s rear wheel.)”

    American cars are too big, our municipal speed limits too fast, and are attitude towards car accidents is too cavalier. The fact that NYC is trying to do something about it and the American response seems to be chest-thumping about using speed to avoid accidents is revealing.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      Americans also decided, and yes I think this was pretty much a bottom up decision rather than top down decision or at least a happy coincidental meeting between bottom up and top down, that the car fits our ethos as a free-wheeling and dealing people who go where we want when want. We established that cars are going to be the primary method we get around by around 1920 and the built environment would be designed around cars rather than people. Most Americans are still firm devotees of the cult of the car and the car oriented city rather than the walkable or transit oriented city.Report

  10. LeeEsq says:

    There is something about being in a car that just makes a lot of people want to go really fast or do not so safe things like zig-zag in and out different lanes of traffic no matter what else is happening on the road. It is like you put them in the driver’s seat and some sort of mania takes control of them. The car can go fast and they want to go as fast as traffic can bear even if it fifteen to twenty miles above the speed limit. I see this all the time on freeways in California. Maniac drivers going eighty to ninety miles an hour even though the speed limit is sixty five miles an hour. The just can’t resist the dopamine rush.Report