Speed Gripping
New York is implementing technology to prevent its car fleet from speeding:
Speed limit signs remind speeding cars to slow down; but speed limiter technology now being tested in New York City has been developed to disable a driver’s ability to accelerate.
Through its fleet program, New York City will be the first city in the United States to use speed limiter technology as a means to keep cars driving at and not beyond speed limits in its city-owned vehicles. Fleet program vehicles will notify drivers with an alarm that the car has reached the speed limit or cut off the accelerator.
Speaking to CNN, Deputy Mayor of New York City for Operations Meera Joshi called the accelerator cut-off “a dead pedal.” Drivers will still have the option to override the cut-off and manually speed up the vehicle for 15 seconds with the press of a button under the steering wheel to merge lanes or keep up with the flow of traffic.
Europe has been working on implementing something along these lines more universally:
Every new car sold in the European Union will soon include anti-speeding technology known as intelligent speed assistance, or ISA. The EU regulation (part of the broader General Vehicle Safety Regulation) goes into effect today, and states that all new models and types of cars introduced to the European market must include an ISA system. The policy doesn’t apply to any new cars that are in showrooms today — at least, not yet. By July 2024, every new car sold in the EU must have a built-in anti-speeding system.
The devil is in the details for something like this, though at baseline I prefer something like this to speed cameras. Speed cameras can do thinks like incentivize lower speed limits to raise revenue whereas this either encourages people not to do it or prevents them from doing so. Others, however, are a lot more skeptical:
CNN reporting on new tech that could limit speed in cars based on locally posted speed limits. There's a button to override for 15 seconds. F*CK NO. I do not want a car with this. I have avoided accidents several times before by steering/accelerating & don't want that hindered.
— Sarah Rumpf 🇺🇸🇺🇦 (@rumpfshaker) October 10, 2022
What this has me thinking about is navigation apps and how crude their systems are for notifying speeders that they are speeding. While a lot of speeding are folks are impatient or scofflaws, a lot of is a matter of people going with the flow of traffic or at a speed that seems “natural” but is actually significantly in excess of the speed limit. Personally, the older I get the more I find this to be the case. I used to get tickets because I was in a hurry. Maybe I wanted to get there as fast as I could or maybe I simply thought the speed limit was set too low and I was trying to skirt the line but missed the markl. In my 40’s, it’s usually because I am going a speed that I consider prudent and when the cop lights come on I am actually surprised I am in violation of the law. I’m either going faster than I think, or the speed limit is lower than I think.
You might need something like a GPS acceleration lock for my younger self and people like him, but for a lot of speeders notification would go a long ways towards getting us to slow down. Since arriving where I live now, I have gotten four camera tickets and three of them have been in the same place. Moreover, it’s not even a place I frequent! My daughter has summer camp there for one or two weeks every summer, and I usually got nailed. This past year I knew I needed to be careful about my speed and I still got a ticket. I could make a case that the speed limit is too low given the surroundings and perhaps they could make a case that the nearby park justifies it, but if my car beeped me when I drove on it we could avoid the conversation entirely.
Since the last time I got a ticket, the app Waze has significantly improved and sure enough it has affected my speed management. In particular there is a bridge on the way to Lain’s school that I have apparently been speeding on pretty dramatically for a while now.
This isn’t a systems solution to people driving at unsafe speeds, but it’s some pretty low-hanging fruit that could help on the margins is unlikely to draw nearly the degree of resistance (Ms Rumpf has said she’s fine with it) as the GPS plan Europe is pursuing. Throw in enough speed cameras and people might start demanding it. I’m not sure this is really something that can or should. be legislated, but some strong communciation from the Department of Transportation could help make it something of the priority that it currently isn’t.
As far as what functionality I would like to see along these lines, I’d mostly like a degree of configurability that is mostly lacking. HereWeGo1 lets you set two different alert thresholds depending on the speed limit (since most people generally want a bigger buffer for higher speed zone.
I brought this up with someone moderately activist on these issues and they were skeptical of how much impact it would have in some of the most dangerous scenarios for pedestrians and cyclists, in town. He argued that even if 80% of speeders are indeliberate, the 20% indeliberate speeders are more likely to be causing the actual traffic accidents. This makes some sense to be though I think there could be some value in slowing down the indeliberate speeders around that driver. Better app notifications could help, as could a GPS-style system that you could turn off for more than 15 seconds2.
- Unfortunately, I cannot endorse this app in general. It used to be quite good but its maps have fallen behind, its directions aren’t good, and it’s lost a lot of its functionality. There are free map apps that are bette if you want the offline map capability that was its primary selling point.
- I am a bit concerned about this part, to be honest. Fifteen seconds is long enough for somebody to floor it trying to yellow-stripe pass someone but then being forced to slow down before they get back in correct lane. I would make it a minute at minimum
I think that it is very dangerous to interfere with the driver’s ability to control the speed of their car.
I do not know whether there will actually be any safety advantage to directly limiting the top speed you may go over merely reminding you that you have gone over the speed limit.Report
Also, note there will NOT be a opposite limiter, preventing someone from going 30 miles BELOW the speed limit. People get pissed that some “grandma” is doing substantially below the posted limit due to fear, lack of confidence, etc. Combine that with the incessant need for “safety” by reducing passing zones on highways (check the numerous youtube vids on the subject) and sooner or later everyone’s going to be driving at the speed of the slowest driver.Report
A well-known driving behavior is that when someone is overtaking a slower vehicle in heavy traffic and can’t change lanes, they will slow to a speed just a bit slower than the vehicle in front of them, then accelerate a bit to match speeds. In sufficiently heavy traffic, this causes the next vehicle to slow a bit more. The effect ripples back down the highway and eventually just a bit slower means stopped. Pretty much everyone’s been on a high-speed highway in an urban area and come to stop in that type of traffic jam. As the leading edge of the jam passes and you can begin to speed up again, you look for a stalled car, or accident, or some other cause, and never see one.Report
My father did field audits and safety inspections for an insurance company across a chunk of the Great Plains and prairies. At one point he had accumulated 750,000 miles with no accidents or tickets. After I got my driver’s license he made me chauffeur him around the SE part of Nebraska during a Christmas break to, as he said, “put some polish on.” One of his principles was that much of safe driving in traffic is to be part of the herd. “If everyone is driving 10 mph above the speed limit, you should do it too. If everyone is driving 10 mph below the speed limit, same deal.”
OTOH, how many places/times in NYC will someone in a city fleet vehicle be in a position where everyone around them is driving 10 mph over the speed limit?Report
Well, in NY traffic if 10% of the cars are running at speed limit speeds… everyone else will be, too.Report
If I see a car ahead of me drifting lanes or otherwise driving poorly I want to punch it past them if I’m overtaking them. Along the same lines, anyone who’s ever had a semi decide to merge into a space you happen to occupy knows how important a burst of speed can be. I don’t want to have to search for a button that I rarely use to allow me to navigate an emergency. if this goes mainstream look for me on the highway. I’ll be the one with the antique plates.Report
this reminds me of the periodic discussion you hear of “we should have ignition locking breathalyzers on all cars” – meaning everyone, even folks who don’t touch alcohol, have to blow into a tube before their car will start.
Yes, drunk drivers are a menace, but I don’t think it justifies this level of intrusion into people’s lives.
Granted, this is a little different, and right now they’re only talking “NYC fleet vehicles” but I could see some folks calling for this to be standard on cars – and as Ben points out, that may well cause more highway safety hazards than it prevents. (Speaking as someone who’s had to “punch it” to avoid getting flattened by a pickup driver who started to lanes without paying much attention)Report
The odds od you needing to gun it to outmaneuver a potential accident go way, way down if the other car is speed limited. And if you do get in an accident you’re probably not traveling at injury speeds.
Also you’re not going to pancake some pedestrian because you gun it and overcorrect and slide off the street.
People vastly overestimate their ability to track and respond to cars moving at flank speed.Report
I think this sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. If we get to self-driving cars so be it, but anything that harms a driver’s ability to control their vehicle or causes them to behave in a way that is unpredictable to other drivers is going to create its own dangers. Our SUV has a lane assist, which I disabled after one day of driving with it due to how unnerving it was on the highway.Report
there are already done private fleets that do this. I assume if there were too dramatic a problem they’d have discovered it.
I’m still unnerved by 15 second though. one minute or not at all seems less risky.Report
Hmm.. I guess I overlooked that. Nevertheless I stand by my curmudgeonly remarks.Report
It shouldn’t be a button, that is all kinds of stupid, it needs to be a natural behavior.
If I need to punch it, I should punch it. If I max out the accelerator, the limiter turns off for 30 seconds to a minute. Once the time is up, it’s a dead pedal until you come back to the speed limit.
Now, what cars really need is not speed limiters, but a$$hole limiters. If traffic is merging and you try to close the gap so the guy entering the highway has to get behind you (instead of being allowed to properly zipper merge ahead of you), the car loudly tells you to stop being an a$$hole and kills the accelerator pedal.Report
Interesting. The brake lights should light up when the pedal is dead, but otherwise that’s an improvement on a button. I’d still rather they just left things alone.Report
I will note that the reason Americans have many more car accidents is that we seemingly decided as a society to just accept them. There is a show on Netflix imported from Japan called “my first chore” or something like that. The show features very young Japanese children (usually under 6 or 7) doing their first solo chore alone (well with a film crew in the distance). The show can have young children out doing chores on their own in urban environments. Henry Grabar had an essay on Slate about how Japanese cities are designed to be more pedestrian friendly through much slower speed limits in urban/town areas among other design issues.
I live near a university. There are several blocks with cross walks to the university campus. Many of these cross walks do not have traffic lights or crossing signs. The speed limit in this area is 30 miles an hour. This is way too fast during the school year when you have university students constantly crossing too and fro. Americans in general are way too self-impressed with their own driving style. A few weeks ago, there was another story about a child who died in Texas after being hit by a big car in an area allegedly not safe for pedestrians or cyclists according to the law enforcement in Texas: https://slate.com/business/2022/09/houston-8-year-old-bicycle-death-unsafe-streets-chase-delarios.html
“The speed limit on this road is 30 miles per hour, as it is on roads in all Texas cities. Last year a Texas lawmaker introduced a bill to lower the speed limit on such roads to 25 miles per hour. Cars traveling 30 miles per hour are 43 percent more likely to kill pedestrians they hit than cars traveling 25 miles per hour, according to the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. This is the lawmaker’s third attempt to pass this bill, and it seems to have been just as successful as the first two times, as nothing has happened to the bill in more than a year. (We don’t know how fast the driver of the Hyundai was traveling. Maybe she was going less than 30 miles per hour. Or maybe she was going faster; after all, Google Street View suggests you can drive the entire length of Kings Mill Road, a circuit of nearly a mile, and never see a single speed limit sign.)
And notably, the driver who struck and killed Chase Delarios was driving a midsize SUV. The heavier the car, the more likely it is to kill a person if it strikes them. At between 3,500 and 5,000 pounds (depending on specific model), a 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe is more than a match for an 8-year-old and his bike. (The post-crash local news coverage shows the bike, horribly, jammed under the Hyundai’s rear wheel.)”
American cars are too big, our municipal speed limits too fast, and are attitude towards car accidents is too cavalier. The fact that NYC is trying to do something about it and the American response seems to be chest-thumping about using speed to avoid accidents is revealing.Report
Americans also decided, and yes I think this was pretty much a bottom up decision rather than top down decision or at least a happy coincidental meeting between bottom up and top down, that the car fits our ethos as a free-wheeling and dealing people who go where we want when want. We established that cars are going to be the primary method we get around by around 1920 and the built environment would be designed around cars rather than people. Most Americans are still firm devotees of the cult of the car and the car oriented city rather than the walkable or transit oriented city.Report
There is something about being in a car that just makes a lot of people want to go really fast or do not so safe things like zig-zag in and out different lanes of traffic no matter what else is happening on the road. It is like you put them in the driver’s seat and some sort of mania takes control of them. The car can go fast and they want to go as fast as traffic can bear even if it fifteen to twenty miles above the speed limit. I see this all the time on freeways in California. Maniac drivers going eighty to ninety miles an hour even though the speed limit is sixty five miles an hour. The just can’t resist the dopamine rush.Report