Why Can’t Joe Biden Force His Agenda Through Congress?

Eric Medlin

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  1. Saul Degraw says:

    The green lantern theory is the stupidest theory of politics but pundits addicted to Murc’s Law love it. The President is not an absolute monarch and our system is not parliamentary. There is very little that can be done to Manchin and Sinema outside of election years.

    The GOP is also a united block of opposition. It is not the 1960s anymore.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      There are large parts of the pundit class who behave like family members of an abuser, where they will do anything, blame anyone including themselves, rather than confront the elephant in the room.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      RE: Green Lantern
      I think that’s becoming more of a thing as time goes on.

      Here is jibjab making fun of Bush v Kerry. They seem pretty harsh to both sides.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY

      Here is them making fun of Obama… by comparing him to Superman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFdAJRVm94

      The GOP is also a united block of opposition. It is not the 1960s anymore.

      This is true, but it’s also true that we have a lot less to do because we’ve come so far. During FDR we had people starving. During the civil rights era we had people being beaten in the streets for daring to want to vote.

      The moral calculus and return on investment should have gone down a lot.

      The fiscal calculus should also suggest not expanding things we don’t really need when we’re not sure if/how we can pay for what we’ve already promised.

      What we have now is there are unfilled needs + inequality and the bank hasn’t taken away our credit cards.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

        We also have one party dead set against raising revenue to pay the banks. NO private business could or would operate that way very long.Report

        • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

          TARP was Bush’s.

          Or if you mean more generally, if you have a problem with the credit cards then the first thing to do is stop using them.

          We already have many massive social programs to the point of potentially breaking the budget. Firing up yet another costing at least half the department of defense might not be the best of ideas.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

            I mean that Republicans keep cutting taxes – which have yet to pay for themselves through economic growth – and the refusing to cut spending because they want to own the Libs (which is what shrinking government to the size it can be drowned in the bathtub is all about). They then sit back and cackle when Democrats fail to do their dirty work for them.Report

          • Dark Matter in reply to Dark Matter says:

            And it is possible for politicians to run out of a political willingness to tax before they run out of things they can tax.

            If we were forced to balance the budget, we would presumably raise taxes but we’d also presumably cut spending. The mix of those is unclear.Report

            • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

              We have spent close to 40 years cutting taxes and not cutting spending.

              Congress can’t adhere to its own appropriations deadlines.

              2/3rds of federal spending (in total dollars) can be accounted for in revenue (in total dollars).

              Discretionary spending (the part Congress appropriates every year) amounts to 1/3rd of spending.

              So either you raise revenues, you close the Executive Branch, or you severely cut mandatory spending.

              Its really that simple. And that maddening. And that frightening.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

                Yes.

                To run a balance budget and fix our systemic issues we’d need something like…

                If Congress spends too much without raising taxes the “extra” money will be taken from Social Security and SS will pay X% less per dollar promised. So SS will be a slush fund and balance the budget in case tax cuts don’t generate revenue or BBB’s projections on how much it will spend are wrong.

                That would balance our political forces.Report

              • North in reply to Dark Matter says:

                You’d need a constitutional amendment to create a scheme like that which would be entirely impossible to put in place. No one to the left of Romney would ever support it. Legislation dictating such would simply get repealed the moment it actually threatened to take place by either party in control at the time.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to North says:

                Fully agreed.

                Our core problem is the people don’t want to balance the budget. They want to live above their means on credit cards, and they’ll vote out of office anyone who points out that we’ve promised more than we’re willing to pay.

                However that’s the kind of scheme that we’d need to align the desire to spend with the lack of desire to not tax.

                There needs to be a larger threat.Report

              • North in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Eh, there will be a larger threat- a fiscal crisis. What can’t go on forever will stop. If the US ever runs its debt up too high then presumably it’ll lose its reserve currency status, then face a fiscal crisis and then have to tackle said fiscal crisis. We’re a long way from that scenario coming about.Report

            • North in reply to Dark Matter says:

              Oh the mix isn’t unclear at all. Canada went through it in the 90’s.
              First: There’s a general scramble for easy to cut scrips and scraps everywhere. This yields a bit of dough but nowhere near enough.
              Second: Military gets cut. It’s harsh and they howl like the world is ending- it produces a notable amount of revenue but nowhere near enough.
              Third: Taxes are increased as much as politically feasible. That’s a good bit of money but in a fiscal crisis situation nowhere near enough.
              Fourth: The military gets slashed, like- to the bone. Serious diminishment. This yields less money than before but still notable revenue.
              Fifth and Finally: large social safety nets get cut and reduced. Those expenditures are big and popular so it’s not hard to balance out the remaining gap by going after them but the politicians and voters hate it.

              Of course neither the neocons nor the plutocrats look at the above scenario and enjoy that prospect. That’s why longer viewed right wingers and libertarians talk a good game about deficit concerns. In the U.S. They’re outweighed, unfortunately, by short term plutocrats who want their tax cuts now.Report

  2. Marchmaine says:

    “the president they once saw as a potentially transformational leader.”

    Dang, that’s just plain old mean to write about the Democratic Base.Report

    • InMD in reply to Marchmaine says:

      I’ve said before that while the GOP is terrified of its base the Democrats despise and in many ways grossly misunderstand theirs. I think this is an instance of the latter, and I mean that in a nice way about the base and a mean way about its leaders and pundits.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to InMD says:

        I don’t think the Democratic Party despises and grossly misunderstand their voters except for Manchin and Sinema and even then, possibly only Sinema. What I generally think is that the Democratic Party is a coalition government forced to operate under one party in a country where the parties are weak and exercise little control over their members and politicians. I think the general weakness of the U.S. political parties is a very weird factor here.

        In a parliamentary democracy, it would likely be Biden and AOC in the same coalition government but when it came to elections, they would be appealing to different bases. In our system, they need to tightrope between different constituencies. Constituencies who if asked to write down a list of five policy goals, would probably come up with very different things. If asked to combine, fall apart.

        Another issue is that every single faction seems to assume that they are the real base/majority. The truth is that no faction is large enough to even be a plurality possibly.Report

        • InMD in reply to Saul Degraw says:

          I agree that this dynamic exists but I don’t think it negates the fact that there’s some real space between the activists and journalists with a lot of influence on party leadership and the rank and file Democrat voter. I mean, do you really think that the working women and working class minorities that are still the core D voters voted for Joe Biden because they believed he would be a transformational president?Report

        • Dark Matter in reply to Saul Degraw says:

          Another issue is that every single faction seems to assume that they are the real base/majority.

          There you go. Plus a million points for comprehension.

          Everyone thinks they’re middle of the road and represent what the common man should think. 50 Dems should all think like me, have the same priorities, and be totally transformational.

          We see this kind of thinking all over the place. Members of the other tribe are just being disingenuous. Belief in God means “Belief in my God as I understand him”. All cultures and cultural values are the same as mine.Report

      • JenniferWorrel in reply to InMD says:

        Agreed. Terrified vs misunderstand.Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Marchmaine says:

      It’s a bit old, but I recently stumbled across this absolutely savage burn on the Democrats from the Guardian’s headline writer.Report

  3. North says:

    Eh, we’re at that despairing phase of a Presidency. It’s wearisome but there’s still time to sort out some additional wins and the moaning and despair will make subsequent successes look brighter. Some kind of prioritized or focused version of BBB, for instance, seems entirely doable. Heck, just write everything Manchin has said he’ll support in a bill and run it through. Who the fish would oppose it within the party? Manchin? Then we’d have him exposed at the very least and be no worse off than before. Sinema? By her deluded self?? I have doubts. Progressives in congress? Nuh uh, they’ve been laudibly clear eyed about the process. If given a choice between half a loan and nothing? They’ll take half a loaf. The Freedom caucus they ain’t.

    As to the why of all this? Saul outlined it pretty well. Also the chattering classes and the wild dewy eyed left enthusiasts share no small amount of overlap now that media has become a one part casual internet activity and one part decaying monoliths lousy with employees for whom this is a passion hobby for the young liberal and wealthy rather than a career.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to North says:

      Sadly the polling seems to indicate that a lot of Americans do believe the Green Lantern/Bully pulpit scandal of politics but nearly every Johnson technique would be considered a major harassment scandal these days.

      The main issue is that Sinema seems to be deluded (and isolated enough) that she thinks her actions will make her a nominee for President in 2024 (perhaps a Jill Stein type, certainly not as a Democrat) and Manchin is just a preening moralist. If the U.S. had stronger political parties, actual punishment might be an option but we do not and here we are.*

      *The U.S. does seem fairly weird in the democratic world for having such weak political parties where it is nearly impossible to keep stray members in line. There are no real Youth Wings here. College Republicans kind of count. College Democrats are barely a thing. The other orgs like the Federalist and “Young Americans for Freedom” are youth wings in name but officially not connected to the GOP and most members do not go far in electoral politics or high-level civil service.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        and Manchin is just a preening moralist.

        From the Reddest of the Red states.

        Manchin backs, and has always backed, the GOP on the issues of abortion, immigration, energy policy, judges, and gun control. He’s been mixed on gay rights.

        Reading over his positions, to my eye he’s liberal on broadband, the various wars we’ve had, and maybe housing.

        He’s rated as being 55% conservative and 45% liberal. I don’t understand how he gets that much liberal, presumably they’re including standard party line votes.

        He’s old and started his political career when Reagan Democrats and Dixiecrats were a thing.

        It’s real easy to picture him simply switching parties. From his positions he’d be real comfortable there.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        Yeah, preening moralists suck.

        I prefer people who can just discuss issues without wandering off into “morality”.

        This is an engineering problem tied to an economics problem. Getting all emotional doesn’t help anything.Report

    • Philip H in reply to North says:

      Heck, just write everything Manchin has said he’ll support in a bill and run it through. Who the fish would oppose it within the party?

      Democratic leadership allowed him to do just that. He balked and ran away because the White House had the temerity to publicly say they were tired of endless negotiations and they didn’t think he was sincere. He wasn’t sincere. In addition to trashing his own bill because he’s apparently thin skinned, he spent months “negotiating” a watered down voting rights bill, allegedly with Republican support, which Republicans then failed to support.

      Your mileage may vary, but neither of those outcomes suggest a man willing to actually carry his party’s water.Report

      • North in reply to Philip H says:

        They did not Philip, they tried to shape their specific policy goals and bill language to Manchins general outlines. BBB tried to meet those goals by keeping every single policy proposal progressives wanted and then phasing them out after a very short period of time. That did technically meet his broad contours but Manchin had at least half a point when he cried foul.

        Regardless, there’s no harm in putting his exact suggestions down in a bill and daring him to vote against it. If it passed the Senate you and I both know the progressives would swallow hard but pass it. We have a better quality of wingers (at least in congress) than the right does.Report

        • Eric Medlin in reply to North says:

          Remember how the progressives in the House were going to hold up the infrastructure bill until BBB passed? How many hours did that last?Report

          • About eight weeks worth. Pelosi struck the deal between her two party wings early in September: the moderates/conservatives would approve the $3.5T budget resolution immediately and in exchange got a guarantee of a vote on the infrastructure bill the last week of September. Pelosi finessed them along, but after about eight weeks had to admit they weren’t going to get Manchin/Sinema on board and held the infrastructure vote. Some careful vote counting in that, letting some of the progressives vote no offset by a few Republican ayes.Report

          • North in reply to Eric Medlin says:

            As Michael notes it was longer than hours but in defense of the wingers it was the Dems House moderates who reneged first and over removing fishin tax cuts and re-instituting SALT deductions. It’d be wildly unfair to blame that mess on the progressive wing.Report

            • Michael Cain in reply to North says:

              The other side of that argument is the House moderates saying, “If we’re going to cut from $3.5T to $1.5T, Manchin shouldn’t be the only one who gets a say.” They were wrong (in practice, at least), but the feelings are understandable.

              My recollection is that the moderates gave the progressives the four weeks in the deal Pelosi struck, and the progressives had moved Manchin/Sinema not an inch, before they started in specifying their own version of what the cuts should be.Report

              • North in reply to Michael Cain says:

                Sure, there’s a lot of inside baseball in the matter but anyone who thinks the congressional moderate wing came out of this looking good is deluded. And -I- am a moderate, I hate typing it out. My fingers feel all dirty, bleck!Report

        • Philip H in reply to North says:

          The harm is he does it again. And again. And again. Plus he can introduce legislation – he did so on his voting rights alternative. Which the Republicans he kept negotiating with promptly filibustered.Report

          • North in reply to Philip H says:

            If we put precisely what Manchin says he’ll support in a bill and he flips and opposes it then there’ll be no again. The opportunity cost for making such an effort is very low, the reward for passing something is commensurately high.Report

            • Dark Matter in reply to North says:

              Maybe. Put enough pressure on him and he could just switch parties so his positions line up.Report

              • North in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Putting exactly what he wants in a bill and seeing if he’ll actually vote for it is not, in any universe, going to cause Joe Manchin to flip parties. There’d be no again because if he reversed himself on that matter then you’d simply know not to try anymore with him and make do with your existing majority. If Manchin was going to flip parties over something like that he’d have done it already.Report

              • Philip H in reply to North says:

                In this you and I agree – and no matter what Mitch McConnel hints at there won’t be a warm welcome for him the today’s GOP.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

                there won’t be a warm welcome for him the today’s GOP

                Why not?

                He’s been a DINO for decades. I don’t see any serious policy differences between him and the GOP. The war is over, no one gets spun up over him being a liberal on broadband.

                I can’t tell where he is on Trump so he’s probably being quiet.Report

              • North in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Manchin voted to impeach Trump. If he switched parties he’d be primaried and he’d lose. More importantly if Manchin intended to switch parties he’d have done it already. Writing exactly what he says he wants into a bill and putting it up for a vote is not going to cause him to switch parties- why on earth would it?Report

  4. Pinky says:

    I’m curious, who would make most people’s list of post-WWII transformational leaders? I think LBJ and Reagan have to be on the list. I want to say Obama, but I’m not sure if that appraisal will hold up with time. I have mixed feelings about Nixon. Any other possibilities?Report

    • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

      JFK made LBJ transformative.

      You could argue Eisenhower in the sense that he did not attempt to undo the New Deal. It solidified a new baseline.Report

      • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

        It seems weird to me that I don’t consider JFK transformative, as someone who grew up witnessing the adoration given to his memory. And I think you’re right about JFK teeing up LBJ. Thinking about Johnson in the context of this article, I can’t help but think that his bulldozing of Congress didn’t work out as well as it seemed. I don’t know if this is just me being a conservative who hates the Great Society. It seems like everything he did went a step too far and failed in the way his critics predicted.Report

        • Dopefish in reply to Pinky says:

          What part of a stolen election ought to be considered transformative?
          I mean, we didn’t start a civil war over it, or get a West Virginia, so…

          Camelot was a monkey’s paw, just ask JFK Jr.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Pinky says:

      One hopes not Trump but maybe.

      Depends on whether his refusal to accept election results was a one off.Report

      • Pinky in reply to Dark Matter says:

        I see it as a pattern starting from the Democrats in 2000 and 2004, then the Democrats in 2016, then Trump in 2020. For those of us who think that Trump thinks like a Democrat, it makes for a strong and disturbing pattern.Report

        • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

          Trump was a registered Democrat until 2011. He raised funds for Bill Clinton. It may be his ultimate Grift that he got Republicans to elect a Democrat to the White House.

          And lest be clear that Al Gore conceded in 2000. Kerry conceded in 2004. and Hillary conceded in 2016. Trump has yet to concede.Report

          • Dopefish in reply to Philip H says:

            Hillary conceded in 2016.
            Then she let loose the paramilitary wing anyway (which was rustled up with the idea of a far closer election).

            We should be more disturbed that the Democrats think that the way to conduct democracy is with brownshirts in the streets during “Peaceful Protests.”

            This is why the Rittenhouse trial was so important — it is vital to our democracy that we remind the footsoldiers that “Folks Got Guns, you might Die.”Report

            • Philip H in reply to Dopefish says:

              Democrats shoot too.Report

              • Cleveland in reply to Philip H says:

                Yeah, and then folks rig elections to get them out of office, for “betraying the party” by siding with Trump and not letting their cities burn.

                I don’t believe in Angels or Angel Dust — a miracle election is evidence of more “behind the scenes” activity than normal.

                Now, in terms of private citizens.

                I believe that if you have white boys coming to Philadelphia to shoot black boys, anyone in their right mind should be shooting the foolz (Citing Field Negro on the “Yes, there are dumb people who do stuff like this.”)Report

          • CW Jeepers in reply to Philip H says:

            It’s Trump. He got tons of Obama voters to switch parties to vote for him.
            This is important. If the Democrats want the Obama voters back, they’re going to need to do better than Biden or Harris.

            Jehosphat! If they want Donors back, they’re going to need to do better than Biden or Harris. Major and significant donors have “given notice” that they will not be giving money (to anything Democratic) until Harris and Biden step down from a 2024 campaign.Report

          • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

            You can see a trend line pass through 2000, 2004, 2016, and 2020. I hope the trend doesn’t continue, but you can see it.Report

    • North in reply to Pinky says:

      I think Obama makes it, barely, over the baseline of transformational leaders when you combine his identity with the legislative fact that he signed the ACA (now that the GOP has failed to, and generally abandoned efforts to, repeal it). Otherwise I’d agree LBJ, Reagan and, maybe, Eisenhower.Report

      • Pinky in reply to North says:

        Eisenhower seems significant to me, but only because he wasn’t transformational. The country changed, but he was a straightforward non-partisan anti-Communist. It’s the same difficulty I have appraising Truman. He was involved in the creation of the whole postwar world. I feel like you could write a rich history using only events with him, Bush 1, and Bush 2 in the White House. But I just can’t get to “transformational”.Report

        • Eric Medlin in reply to Pinky says:

          I wonder if any other president in the 1950s, except for maybe Henry Wallace, would have done much differently than Eisenhower. Maybe Truman enacts the Fair Deal, but does he go further than the Supreme Court with school desegregation? And would Taft have actually gotten rid of the New Deal? I don’t think so on the latter.Report

        • North in reply to Pinky says:

          My take is that setting aside his many laudable characteristics (and there were many) Eisenhower got us started in our entanglement in Vietnam and the Vietnam War ushered in an ocean change in the way that the American Public interacted with and viewed the government. So I consider that transformational.Report

      • Eric Medlin in reply to North says:

        Good take.Report