Texas Abortion Fortune Hunter’s Bill and an Impotent SCOTUS
Listen, I don’t generally debate abortion, ok? The issue is too fraught, my own thoughts on the subject too fluid, and there are no winners in that fight. I leave it alone. But this decision on the Texas abortion ban1 deserves some scrutiny.
First, the law: The statute challenged in Whole Woman’s Health v. Austin Reeve Jackson, Judge outlaws abortion once there is a detectable heartbeat2, which occurs at roughly 6 weeks of gestation. There are no exceptions for products of incest or rape. But the law prescribes no government-imposed penalty to violators; there is no fine or jail time attached. Instead, the law allows for any private citizen — any private citizen, whether or not they have a stake in the pregnancy, whether or not they even know the woman — to file a lawsuit against anyone they believe to have performed or “aided and abetted” an abortion.
The law excludes the actual pregnant person from the category of persons who can be sued. But the doctor can be, as well as anyone who pays for the procedure. The list of who may be sued is left open, but potentially could include those providing transport, those acting as clinic escorts, and others.
Who can sue? Anyone except a government official in his official capacity, or anyone who impregnated the female via rape, sexual assault, or incest (it is silent on whether the woman’s allegation is sufficient or if an actual conviction is required, but one can probably guess.) The plaintiff in a lawsuit under this bill does not have to have any relationship to the fetus or the mother.
A person who wins a lawsuit brought under the statute can collect from the defendant $10,000 or more, plus attorney’s fees and costs. A defendant who manages to win can collect nothing, so the chance of having to pay attorney’s fees is not going to be a deterrent to the abuse of this statute.
This is the gist of the Texas abortion ban that is not really a ban but really is a ban. The petitioners, Whole Woman’s Health and others, are abortion providers; the named respondent is a Texas District judge, as a stand-in for all judges who might be tasked with overseeing a lawsuit under the new statute. Also included among the respondents is Mark Lee Dickson, a private citizen who had previously indicated his intention to file suit under the law, various heads of state health agencies and medical boards, and the attorney general, Ken Paxton. The applicants argue that an injunction is necessary and proper under the three part test: 1) applicants are likely to prevail on the merits; 2) failure to enjoin the law would cause irreparable harm; and 3) the injunction would not harm the public interest. The arguments for each are straightforward: They believe they are likely to prevail because longstanding precedent (Roe and Casey) holds that laws prohibiting abortion prior to viability are unconstitutional. Failure to enjoin the law from taking effect will result in those seeking abortions losing the ability to receive one and may subject providers and others to lawsuits with hefty monetary consequences; and the injunction preserves the status quo and thus no harm to the public.
The Court issued no ruling prior to the law taking effect on September 1. The Order was issued the next day letting the law stand as pro-choice advocates feared. The decision was 5-4, with Chief Justice Roberts joining the liberals in dissent.
The majority opinion was unsigned, and none of the Justices in the majority wrote separate concurrences. The Court emphasized that its ruling should not be read as decisive on the merits, acknowledging the existence of “serious questions of constitutionality.” However, the Court states that it lacks the power to enjoin laws, only those who enforce them. The Court claims it is impotent to act because no Texas state official has the ability to enforce the law. Dickson, the private citizen respondent, signed an affidavit that he has “no present intention” of filing a lawsuit under the law. As to the judges, the Court says it is unclear whether they have the power to enjoin a judge from presiding over a lawsuit.
And that’s all the Court had to say about that. The bombshell Order took up less than a page and half, providing very little analysis or reasoning, much less than one would expect in what amounts to the upending of 50 years of settled law.
The Chief wrote a dissent joined by Justices Breyer and Kagan. Roberts acknowledges that Texas’s end run around existing precedent “is not only unusual, but unprecedented.” He would have granted at least a temporary stay to maintain the status quo while the parties fully develop and litigate their positions, because he recognizes the consequences of not doing so, consequences not only to those affected by the statute but from the future use by other state legislatures of similar private enforcement of controversial laws — consequences which the majority seems not to consider at all. Stated Roberts:
We are at this point asked to resolve these novel questions—at least preliminarily—in the first instance, in the course of two days… We are also asked to do so without ordinary merits briefing and without oral argument. These questions are particularly difficult…
I would accordingly preclude enforcement of S.B. 8 by the respondents to afford the District Court and the Court of Appeals the opportunity to consider the propriety of judicial action and preliminary relief pending consideration of the plaintiffs’ claims.
Justice Breyer wrote separately, joined by Sotomayor and Kagan. Breyer cites Planned Parenthood of Central Missouri v. Danforth from 1976, in which the Court struck down a provision of a Missouri law which required spousal permission before obtaining an abortion. The Court then held that state legislatures cannot delegate to private citizens authority that they themselves do not possess. Wrote the Court in Danforth:
Clearly, since the State cannot regulate or proscribe abortion during the first stage, when the physician and his patient make that decision, the State cannot delegate authority to any particular person, even the spouse, to prevent abortion during that same period.
Under the Texas law, the third party cannot give or withhold permission, but the ability to deter or punish through a civil suit arguably amounts to the same effect.
Breyer considers risk of “irreparable harm” that may result from failure to grant the injunction, noting that some clinics have already ceased to provide services and others indicate they will have to do the same rather than risk the financial burden of the lawsuits they would surely face, meaning denial of abortion care to women all over the state.
Breyer also pointed out that the Court has granted pre-enforcement injunctions in the recent past in a case in which the enforcement was by private citizen rather than by the state. In 2014 the Court decided Susan B. Anthony List v. Driehaus, a case out of Ohio. In that case, the appellant organization wished to erect a billboard proclaiming that the respondent, then a member of Congress, had voted for “taxpayer funded abortions” because he voted in favor of the Affordable Care Act. Driehaus threatened to sue, and the billboard company refused to erect the sign. He then filed a complaint with the state Elections Commission, claiming that SBA List violated campaign laws by making false statements about his voting record. SBA List countered by filing a federal lawsuit asserting that the campaign law violated their right to free speech. The case was dismissed in the lower court because Driehaus lost the election and moved away, but SBA List appealed, claiming they were still at risk of harm from the unconstitutional campaign law, because the statute allowed “any person” to file a complaint.
The Court in SBA List ruled in their favor, 9-0, finding that there was a substantial threat of future enforcement of the law the organization claimed violated their freedom of speech:
The credibility of that threat is bolstered by the fact that authority to file a complaint with the Commission is not limited to a prosecutor or an agency. Instead, the false statement statute allows “any person” with knowledge of the purported violation to file a complaint. Because the universe of potential complainants is not restricted to state officials who are constrained by explicit guidelines or ethical obligations, there is a real risk of complaints from, for example, political opponents.
The majority here does not concern itself with the likelihood of future enforcement of Texas’s new law, relying on the respondents’ claims of no imminent actions to support the Court’s refusal to act. To imply that the mere threat of a lawsuit will not impede the availability of abortion in Texas is to imply that providers can and should properly ignore the letter of the law, which no officer of the Court can seriously suggest.
One difference between this case and SBA List is that once a complaint was filed under the campaign law in question, the Elections Commission became its arbiter and enforcer. If the commission found the complaint credible under “clear and convincing” standards, the complaint would be referred to a local prosecutor for possible criminal charges. No criminal liability flows from the Texas statute; however, the SBA List Court also opined that “the threat of Commission proceedings” was a substantial one, suggesting it may have been justiciable even without the threat of criminal prosecution.
SBA List is also distinguishable in that the petitioners sought to enjoin government officials — the Elections Commission — rather than private individuals. But the case still provides support for an injunction based on the threat of future action.
Justice Sotomayor’s dissent calls the Court’s actions “stunning”, accusing the majority of “burying their heads in the sand” and ignoring a “flagrantly unconstitutional law.” Joined by Breyer and Kagan but not Roberts, she denounces the Order as “rewarding tactics designed to avoid judicial review”, calling it a “breathtaking act of defiance — of the Constitution, of this Court’s precedents, and of the rights of women…”
Her dissent is admittedly heavier on passion than on case law or legal analysis (and the Court’s Order is light on both), but she provides some bluntness about the reality of what the law does:
In effect, the Texas Legislature has deputized the State’s citizens as bounty hunters, offering them cash prizes for civilly prosecuting their neighbors’ medical procedures.
In a footnote, she points out the immediate fallout of the Court’s failure to act:
The Court’s inaction has had immediate impact. Two hours before the Act took effect, one applicant reported that its waiting rooms were “ ‘filled with patients” ’ urgently seeking care while “ ‘protesters [we]re outside, shining lights on the parking [lot].’ ”
Sotomayor stated that the District Court issued a “thorough, well-reasoned opinion” in favor of Whole Woman’s Health that would have justified the Court’s granting of an injunction, rather than rewarding Texas for its creative end run around judicial review.
Finally, Justice Kagan weighs in with her own separate dissent, also joined by Breyer and Sotomayor. She decries the use of “the shadow docket,” and calls the Court’s consideration of the case “cursory” and “hasty”. She criticizes the lack of explanation set forth by the majority in its Order as to how it came to the conclusion that “a challenge to an obviously unconstitutional abortion regulation backed by a wholly unprecedented enforcement scheme is unlikely to prevail.”
As I discussed in Wednesday Writs, I’m somewhat of a Supreme Court apologist. However, I find this particular decision hard to justify objectively. It’s difficult to assume good faith when the Court declines to stop the effectuation of a law that is inarguably unconstitutional based on precedent — unless, of course, that’s because the Court has future intentions to overturn that precedent and decide that it is not.
The caselaw cited by Justice Breyer is persuasive and lays bare the weakness of the majority’s half-hearted attempt to explain itself. The Court engages in the absurd legal fiction that the state bears no responsibility if individuals are harmed by the intended effects of this law. They may have put fellow citizens between themselves and the woman who is now unable to obtain an abortion, but the state is still the reason she can’t.
The fact that the patient may not be sued is a worthless concession. Assuming she is even able to obtain an abortion, she is then subject to having her very private medical decision become fodder for a lawsuit in a public courtroom. There are no provisions for privacy or anonymity in the statute. Conceivably she may be called as a witness and forced to go on record about her experience.
There are many who find nothing concerning about the above, considering it just another consequence she has earned through her choices. There are undoubtedly some who are disappointed that the person who aborted or attempted to abort is not the one being sued. Those folks should take heart in knowing that the law, for as long as it stands, will reduce the availability of safe abortion options and deter some (but surely not all) from seeking to end their pregnancies.
The Court will consider the more substantive issues of abortion this fall when it hears Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, a case out of Mississippi. The Court will decide whether states may ban all elective abortions prior to viability; Mississippi’s current cut-off is 15 weeks. If the Court answers affirmatively, it will have overturned Roe and Casey.
In the meantime, we can expect other states to take a page out of the Texas playbook and draft similar privately enforced laws. Liberals, having decided two can play at this game, suggest they will try to enact a few of their own. Personally, I think the Texas scheme is untenable in our system, but unfortunately the Court was unwilling to take that stance.
There are no winners in the abortion debate, but the Court seems to have forfeited.
- Don’t tell me it isn’t a ban. In addition to most women not knowing they are pregnant at that point, even if they did, it isn’t like you can just call and get a next-day appointment. Ob-Gyns typically won’t do an ultrasound until 8 weeks or more. And many abortion providers won’t do the procedure that early, as the embryo (it is not yet a fetus at this stage) is so small it can be missed by the equipment. The statute may not outright “ban” abortion, but it makes it all but impossible to get one.
- Or “vibration of cells” which will potentially become a heart, as some are describing this stage of development.
I agree wholeheartedly with your conclusions but I’m going to quibble with you very slightly on the ‘it isn’t a ban’ point. I only do this because I think calling it a ‘ban’ is an oversimplification of what’s happening that makes it harder for laypeople to grasp. Obviously the intent is to make the cost of exercising a right so high as to render it untenable for people to actually do it, without imposing a ban. If it were just a ban, this would be easy. This is more insidious and people need to understand the why and how.
Anyway my hope is that this is eventually corrected. I’ve been asking people to imagine a law that grants a cause of action against others by private parties for attending church. Or a protest. Or owning a handgun. Or telling the police they can’t search their home without a warrant. Sure the government isn’t imposing a sanction itself, but we all understand what the outcome would be for all civil liberties if such an approach were allowed to stand. That to me is the point that needs to be hammered home, and it stands no matter wherw anyone is on the specific issue of abortion.Report
I’ve said before that the parallels between Anti-abortion and Anti-gun people are striking, so I agree. Imagine if the fact that you own a gun potentially opened you up to civil lawsuits for whatever reason? Are you the kind of person who keeps a gun in your nightstand? You could get sued! Do you have more guns than hands? You could be sued! Etc.
Once again, people fail to even try to understand the long term unintended consequences of their actions. If this is allowed to stand (& I seriously hope it isn’t), I fully expect it to be something other states employ against the exercising of a right in ways others find offensive.Report
Listen to a podcast your local legislative representative thinks is ‘hate speech’? Well we can’t sue the podcaster and we won’t ban the podcast but your neighbor can sue if they overhear you listening to it.Report
As a lefty gun owner, I don’t want to be sued for owning guns. Doesn’t fly. But I still want to be required to show proficiency regularly, and to be required to carry additional insurance and be subject to additional civil scrutiny if I use said weapon in anything that’s not hunting, shooting sports involving targets, or clear self defense.
That aside, state punting enforcement responsibilities to private citizens has all sorts of nasty consequences. Hell, “Stand your ground” laws fit into that category, and those don’t seem to be going well for the people erroneously shot.Report
Sure, and my point is that such enforcement of gun restrictions is not left to the civil courts (except perhaps a wrongful death suit, where those bringing suit have actual standing to sue).Report
The analogy illustrates why this will not spread beyond abortion and maybe one or two other pet issues for the Right.
There isn’t any issue that has so warped a party as abortion has for the right. It has become for them the devil in whose pursuit they are willing to cut down the forest of laws.
The idea that the Roberts court would decline to stay a California gun ban like this is preposterous.
The modern conservative movement views laws as merely arbitrary tools to accomplish a goal, nothing more.Report
This is very true. Reading Heather Cox-Richardson’s great daily blog, one finds that most moderate Republicans were in support of a well defined right to abortion in the early 1970’s. Nixon, desperate to win reelection in 1972, began to peel them off, and to acquire moderate Catholic votes, by adding abortion to his characterizations of McGovern. It worked, and Republican politicians and grifters have used it ever since, mostly as a marker for “keeping women in their place.”
Much like all the other Republican excesses of the last 40 years, they don’t care about how it looks to anyone else – it is a means to their end, which is permanent minority rule by rich, conservative white men.Report
It worked, and Republican politicians and grifters have used it ever since, mostly as a marker for “keeping women in their place.”
One thing we would expect to see, if this were true, is a very large gender gap in support for abortion rights. Surely women would be much less interested than men in passing laws to keep women in their place.
But we don’t actually see that. Time after time, polls show a very small gender gap in views on abortion. I’ve seen many polls that actually show men more in favor of abortion rights than women, but regardless of which way it goes, the gap is consistently on the order of a few percentage points.
What could explain this? Might it be that the disagreement is not about women’s rights at all, but about fetal rights?
Look, I’m as shocked as you are. The only way anyone could possibly have guessed that this might be true is to look at widely available public polling data, or to listen to what literally every person who opposes abortion has been saying for decades instead of just assuming that everyone who disagrees with us is an actual cartoon villain.Report
You are really surpsied that there are plenty of women who prefer the patriarchy?
Women who gain benefits from putting [other] women in their place?
For example, Barry Goldwater’s daughter, whom he personally drove to her abortion appointment. Or Republican DesJarlais’s mistress, who had an embarrassing unexpected pregnancy.
These women and millions like them, are able to enjoy the benefits of both the system which elevates them above other women due to class and money, while also availing themselves to freedom to control their own bodies as they see fit.
Which is the point people keep making over and over.
These moral codes tend to be gamed by powerful people, selectively enforced only against the poor and powerless to keep them in their place.Report
Chip, don’t be naive. Obviously the right would never do this with respect to rights it values, and if it holds the left would of course be willing to respond in kind with respect to rights it doesn’t value.Report
“right would never do this with respect to rights it values”
I assume this was sarcasm?Report
Just because your understanding of rights is different from theirs (and to be clear, so is mine) doesn’t mean they don’t have one.Report
Based on their observed behavior, the right doesn’t even accept the concept of “rights”, but merely privileges, which are different depending on race, class, and gender.Report
This is why “multiculturalism” is doomed to fail.Report
This is a perfect example of what I mean.Report
Rights accrue to rich white conservative men. privileges accrue to everyone else.Report
The problem with your conclusion is this has never been a fight about the actual right to an abortion. Its been about stuffing the genie of woman’s liberation back into the lamp, much like judicial appointments are all about dismantling the regulatory state in service of greed, and nothing else.
Republican politicians will happily do this to rights its claims to value if doing so means they get closer to their actual goals.Report
You can tilt at your preferred psychoanalysis of your opponents or you can fight policy battles. One has a chance at moving the ball, maybe even winning. The other will make you feel good and right and accomplish nothing.Report
I am fighting policy battles based on actual voting patterns and action, not rhetoric.Report
Both sides hypothetically do it!Report
Better than preferring purity to winning.Report
The law is EVEN MORE INSANE than that.
You can’t actually sue the person who gets the abortion under it, the lawmakers excluded them in an attempt to screw with legality more.
Instead you can sue _anyone_ who assists the abortion in any way.
…So, this isn’t introducing a private cause of action to sue someone for having a gun or going to church. It’s even insaner: This is allowing a random person to sue someone for driving a bus that vaguely goes near a church or gun store.
Yes, seriously. Lyft and Uber just issued a promise that if one of their drivers is sued for transporting someone to an abortion clinic, they will cover the legal costs. This is…not a crazy hypothetical. Transportation to an abortion is _explicitly_ allowed as one of the things people can be sued for.
Note this does not even appear to apply mens rea, or maybe it does, but notable _even if you are innocent_, you end up paying court costs.
This is utterly f***ing insane, as a law. It essentially invents the widest possible concept of ‘conspiracy’, and applies it to actions taken without any intent, or even knowledge, to accomplish something that isn’t a crime. If you do anything that even vaguely might have helped an abortion, you are liable.
And _even if the lawsuit is without merit_, aka, if the person you helped whatever manner did not actually get an abortion, if there was absolutely no case…even if the lawsuit is completely frivolous…you still cannot recover court costs.
Which, honestly, is going to cause the law to rather quickly collapse into a singularity as people accuse Republican lawmakers of assisting abortions. We really need thousands of pro bono lawsuits filed in Texas making random accusations about Republican politications. Apparently, that’s how courts work now.Report
As a practical matter, seems like a Cardinal rule has been ignored, when in doubt, sue them all.
The majority does not believe a case can be made against the people sued. Roberts essentially concedes this might be correct, but wants a stay to give the court an opportunity to fully reflect on the complex issues. Kagan makes similar points without any concession.
Breyer points to Planned Parenthood v. Danforth as the most analogous decision involving the interplay of law and private actors. Danforth was the Attorney General of Missouri. He also cites to Planned Parenthood v. Casey, and Casey was the Governor of Pennsylvania. The plaintiff should also have sued the Governor and the Attorney General to avoid what appears to be an empty chair problem.Report
Texas seems to have structured this law to keep the chair permanently empty. It was a nefariously clever move.Report
Texas has a long history of solicitor generals who like to pull evil-clever stuff like this.Report
Whole Woman’s Health also included several state officials as respondents, including the attorney general.Report
Why is that not mentioned in the opinion anywhere? That certainly undercuts my points, but at least as a matter of my state’s law, the Attorney General is the chief legal officer of the State charged with enforcing the laws of the state, even those in which the AG is not given a remedy. If a litigant in private litigation seeks a court order that a law is unconstitutional, notice has to be given to the AG to allow an opportunity to intervene and defend the law. I think the focus on the remedy provided by the statute here is a cribbed interpretation of what enforcement means.Report
The plaintiffs make this point in their briefs: “Applicants sued certain State licensing officials and the Attorney General of Texas (the “State Agency Respondents”) because, although these officials cannot directly enforce the Act’s ban on providing, aiding, or abetting abortions, they are authorized and required to bring administrative and civil enforcement actions under other laws that are triggered by violations of S.B. 8. App.17–18; S.B. 8 § 171.207(a); see also, e.g., Tex. Occ. Code § 164.055(a) (requiring the Texas Medical Board to “take an appropriate disciplinary action against a physician who violates . . . Chapter 171, Health and Safety Code”).
Sounds good to me. Also, I don’t believe the Attorney General cannot indirectly enforce this law, by cobbling together authority to bring injunctions and public nuisance law, but it would be hard to prove when the AG denies it.Report
You’re right, and I should have addressed that more in the piece. In fact I may edit to include that at least in a footnote.Report
Certainly nothing wrong with your piece. I think I read an explainer elsewhere that only identified a judge and a court clerk as party defendants, and that didn’t make sense to me. I rambled on about it here yesterday.Report
There’s. no point suing Paxton; he would just find himself not liable.Report
Why do you think they are impotent? This is what Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and ACB think they were put on the Bench for. The Supreme Court, more often than not is a reactionary institution. The right wing has spent nearly 40 years trying to take over the judiciary and they have succeeded.
The impotent ones are people like Noah Feldman who triple down on their institutionalism and think Roe is still safe. Roe is not safe and there is no such thing as settled law. Never think anything is settled, it just breeds complacency.Report
Another case where the Democratic-appointed justices march in lockstep and the Republican-appointed justices entertain independent thoughts.Report
Democrats: Sane
Republicans: Mostly batshit
But which party is more diverse?Report
Umm….no. The Federalist Society hacks march pretty lockstep. Do you really think your biases do not show? You are one deluded fellow. The 5 justices who kept the law in play are lock step Federalist Society hacks.Report
Do you really think your biases do not show? You are one deluded fellow.
It’s the lack of theory of mind that gets me.Report
Whose?Report
The eyemote guy.Report
Jaybird, I know you like to throw words around rather than say what you mean, but the answer seems to be a name, not a concept. “eyemote” could easily apply to either, depending on one’s point of view. Maybe you mean both. Maybe you mean one rather than the other, which would make the next question “Why X instead of Y?”Report
So, dig this:
Person A (who is partisan): “Partisan statement!”
Person B (who is partisan): “THAT’S A PARTISAN STATEMENT!”
My complaint is not that partisans make partisan statements. Indeed, partisan statements are one of the things that partisans make.
My complaint involves the blindness involved in the criticism of a partisan making a partisan statement.
The complete absence of “how much of the apparent truth of my assertions is founded on my own partisanship?” in the accusation.Report
First speaker privilege? So if Saul had said the 5 conservatives voted in lockstep first and Pinky had responded that the three liberals did the same thing, you’d have said the same thing?Report
I’d have wondered about the sixth justice.
Who was the sixth?
Then I could say something like:
Who was the sixth?
Maybe there’s an error of fact in there that we could use to clear up misunderstanding.
Who was the sixth justice? How did he or she vote?Report
Just my opinion, and I’m not trying to convince anyone of it, but I believe that Roberts votes the way he does sometimes because he’s afraid of going into history as the CJ of the SCOTUS when the wheels came off.Report
Oh, I can totally see that interpretation of how he votes.
He’s pretty conservative.Report
There does seem to be a very concerted effort to avoid the obvious and direct conclusion of their rhetoric.
I notice the constant theme of “Don’t take them seriously!” whenever a rightwing figure speaks forthrightly about their desired outcome.
Not just from other rightwingers, but mostly from comfortable people who feel unthreatened by the outcomes.
So we get treated to all sots of head-patting and shushing and tone policing whenever we describe rightwing goals as fascism or apartheid or a caste society, like we are making a Kinsleyan gaffe of saying uncomfortable truths aloud.Report
Niven or Pournelle?Report
Don’t be bringing God into this!
Or large interstellar dust clouds that vaguely resemble god.Report
This law is bad enough, and the sequels are always worse.Report
What about Roberts? As I count it, the Republican-appointed justices split 5-1, while the Democratic-appointed justices were in fact in lockstep. This is the pot calling the dishtowel black.Report
5 conservatives voting the same way is independent thinking; 3 liberals voting the same way is lockstep.
Interesting world you live in there Pinky.Report
Interesting theory of mind, too.Report
5/6 < 3/3 in my world.Report
and in SCOTUS World 5>4. The Denominators aren’t worth much of anything.Report
OK, then why did all of us know that the Democratic-appointed justices would act together? If they’re so capable of independent thought and all, and the liberal side couldn’t outnumber the conservatives. You think you’d see an occasional split. But when the evidence supports my theory, it doesn’t matter, and the evidence never supporting your theory doesn’t concern you.Report
We see lots of splits in all sorts of cases, but when you’d have to be batshit insane to vote one way, we see only Republicans go there. You’re congratulating yourself the the Republicans aren’t all batshit all the time.Report
See? That’s a *MUCH* better argument than the dumb “lockstep” one.Report
If the “conservatives” differ and the “liberals” agree, there are two ways to play this:
1. The conservatives are not in lockstep
2. The so-called “conservative” who was not in lockstep is not really conservative.Report
3. Neither of the above.
4. Small sample size.
There are probably other ways to play it, but playing may not be worth doing.Report
I would be interested in seeing how #3 plays out (if it doesn’t turn into #2).
#4 might be a good play if it wouldn’t also knock down the house of cards entirely. I mean, I might be willing to accept it, if we could appeal to it again tomorrow, or the day after that, or the day after that.
If it just becomes something like “I don’t know how to have opinions on things that don’t directly affect me!” for temporary argumentation advantage that evolves into “I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ON THIS THEORETICAL THOUGHT EXPERIMENT!” 10 minutes later, that sort of gives away the game.Report
3. The conservative is using the fact that his vote doesn’t matter to attempt to appear respectable.Report
So he’s only not acting in lockstep to undercut “they’re in lockstep!” arguments?
That sneaky, sneaky, duplicitous person.
Perhaps the best way to fight against that is to point out that not being in lockstep does nothing to negate the observation that they’re colluding (and, therefore, in lockstep).Report
Why would Roberts care about lockstep? Do you think he frets over the OT comment section?Report
Wait, what proposition are we arguing?
If the argument is that they’re not in lockstep BUT THAT DOESN’T MATTER, then sure.
At least we agree on *THAT*.Report
Some justices prefer this method to enshrine white supremacy, while others prefer that.
Truly, a diverse and heterodox group!Report
It’s shameful that we have given them so much power.Report
The bleak silver lining is that the GOP can’t really do the pro-life two step anymore. They can’t say they’re pro-life while RvW and the Supreme court keep them from doing something substantive on the matter. The bleak reality is that red states are going to become a lot more restrictive on abortion rights in the immediate future. The upside is that they will have to actually govern that way and voters will have to reassess their priorities accordingly.Report
Hmm, they probably will do the two-step and a good chunk of the media will let them get away with it and people might still believe it. There was a time during 2012 when the Obama campaign showed a focus group, the Ryan budget. The focus group refused to believe that any group can be so callous.
And there will always be people like Pinky who delude themselves on the diversity of the Republican party and that “Democrats are the real locksteppers.”Report
Media can say whatever they want as can political operatives. If every abortion provider in Texas closes shop the women in Texas aren’t going to have any illusions.Report
Impotent was meant tongue-in-cheek.Report
I thought you were channeling Peter Venkman.Report
Seconding my brother on this. Matthew Yglesias had a good article on the problem of fancy liberal lawyers back in late June on his sub stack. The Federalist Society exists for a reason and they aren’t ashamed of it.Report
I was in law school when the Federalist Society was being formed. I pegged it then as an organized job-referral organization, gussied up with members and sympathizers and aligned judges quoting each other in an endless circle jerk to create greater reciprocal visibility. The leftish end of the spectrum and mine-run liberals aren’t wired for this sort of thing, preferring the individual scramble for prominence, and I figured it would eventually bite them in the ass. I hate it when I’m right.Report
“The leftish end of the spectrum and mine-run liberals aren’t wired for this sort of thing, preferring the individual scramble for prominence, and I figured it would eventually bite them in the ass. I hate it when I’m right.”
Would bite the leftish ones in the ass, you mean? Yep. We seem incapable of forming the liberal equivalent of the Federalist Society.Report
Yes.Report
The liberal equivalent of the Federalist Society is the entire legal academic world except for members of the Federalist Society.Report
This, right here, is the core of my argument.
Conservatives correctly point out that they and their ideas are a minority viewpoint, held by a shrinking number of citizens.
Yet they demand on holding majority power, using coercive power and even violence to force the majority to bend to the will of the minority.Report
You equate the views of academics with the views of all citizens? Weird.Report
Actually, without conceding your point (because it’s wrong), I’ll give you this much: the interpretation of the Constitution isn’t supposed to be a matter of majority viewpoint. If you want to portray that as a coercive position, feel free, but only if you first apologize for everything that happened under Warren and Burger, and also acknowledge that the will of the majority in Texas was where this bill came from.Report
Nationwide, only a minority of the electorate prefers Republicans as a brand.
And if you drill down issue by issue, almost none of the major policy preferences of Republicans have majority support.
There are pockets where they are preferred- but even red states like Texas, Georgia, and Wisconsin are mostly blue.
If those states elected their legislatures in statewide at-large elections, Republicans almost certainly wouldn’t hold a trifecta and would need to share power.
Republicans themselves have said this, in court as a defense against partisan gerrymandering.
So its pretty much inarguable that Republican political ideology is unpopular, and shrinking.
The only question is whether counter majoritarian mechanisms are justified. In which case, the burden is on the affirmative side.Report
Except they don’t:
https://www.kxan.com/news/political-news/nearly-half-of-all-texans-support-abortion-ban-after-6-weeks-new-poll-finds/
I also note the same story says the majority of voters don’t back the unrestricted firearms carry law that went into effect as well.Report
Matt Yglesias wrote in his substack wrote that a lot of fancy liberal lawyers knew that Obama was going to nominate Sonia Sotomayor and were disappointed in the choice. They weren’t disappointed because of her opinion but because she did not have a “sparklling mind.” Many liberals do not like legal realism or the idea that we should promote reliable liberals rather than the most brilliant is really distasteful to them.Report
I will say that my FB feed as of late is full of calls to spam the hell out of the abortion whistleblower site, such that to noise to signal ratio becomes just noise.Report
That’ll bork up the whistleblower site but won’t change the overarching dynamic a whit. Individual actors will be able to spin up the necessary lawsuits to functionally discontinue operations for most abortion providers in Tx via lawsuits without the coordination from any website.Report
While they physically pursue said providers and “aiders and abbeters” wearing guns that they can now carry with no permits or background checks.Report
One does what one can…Report
“The Court claims it is impotent to act because no Texas state official has the ability to enforce the law.”
But… how can that be?
Joe Blow sues. Someone somewhere has to make that all happen. Who compels the defendant to attend trial? Who compels them to pay? Etc, etc, etc. This has been framed as a form of vigilantism but it really isn’t because it only empowers folks to use existing powers of the state. So… why aren’t those who are ultimately behind those powers of the state who can be targeted in the challenge?Report
That’s why the judge (and clerk) was sued. But the Court is saying they are not prepared to say they have the ability to enjoin the judiciary from performing its core function.Report
Which is HILARIOUS in that things like remand are SCOTUS telling lower courts how to do their jobs.Report
I don’t necessarily agree with the decision, but the issue is this: The Eleventh Amendment bars lawsuits against states in federal court. The Fourteenth Amendment bars States from depriving any person their due process rights.
The two of these were harmonized in a case called Ex Parte Young (1908), in which Minnesota passed a law limiting what railroads could charge passengers, subject to fines and even jail time. Railroad stockholders sued the Attorney General in federal court for fear that he would enforce the law against their corporations.
The Attorney General resisted the lawsuit, stating that Minnesota had not consented to federal court jurisdiction, and he was merely being sued in his capacity as a state official, thus immune from suit under the 11th Amendment. The trial court entered an injunction similar to the one sought here to prevent the Attorney General from enforcing the law pending the resolution of the case.
The case made its way to the Supreme Court, which resolved the 11th/14th Amendment issues by adopting a fiction. Minnesota is required to comply with the U.S. Constitution, and whenever a state official acts in violation of the U.S. Constitution, he or she is not acting in an official capacity, but is acting without authority as an individual. Thus, the state official does not enjoy sovereign immunity. But the fiction is that for purposes of the 14th Amendment, the state official is acting on behalf of the state, even though he is not for 11th Amendment purposes. Sort of like a tax is not a tax sometimes.
The law challenged here precludes the Attorney General from enforcing the law, only private party enforcement is allowed. It does not appear to have any precedent, or at least the dissent does not point to any. I personally think the Attorney General, as chief legal officer of the State, is a meaningful proxy for the State.
In your hypothetical, Joe Blow is a private party acting under color of state law, and his lawsuit can be the vehicle to challenge the Constitutionality of the state law.Report
You clearly know more than me so pardon my ignorance but…
Joe Blow sues Dr A.
Dr A doesn’t even appear.
Joe Blow wins.
Dr A doesn’t pay. Dr A doesn’t change his practice.
What happens?Report
My in-expert opinion:
State attempts to enforce the judgement and Dr. A. immediately sues the state / state official attempting to enforce the judgement.Report
That’s my hunch? Hope? A vigilante is only as powerful as the rule of law makes him. If the rule of law empowers him, somewhere there is a ruler of that law to sue.Report
Not confident about that. Kazzy has Dr. A allowing a default judgment to be entered against him, which probably waives all defenses he would have had against the judgment if he had appeared in court. Bad things happen when you don’t appear in court.Report
A default judgment is entered against Dr. A, and Joe Blow pursues whatever collection procedures that are available under Texas Law (putting a lien on Dr. A’s property; garnishing wages; auctioning his car) and if Dr. A does not appear in court to explain why he isn’t paying the judgment, he might end up in jail for contempt and part of his bail used to pay off some/all of the judgment.
To the extent he doesn’t change his practice, he is subject to more lawsuits.Report
Okay then… assume he shows up to court, represents himself (no attorney fees), loses, and doesn’t pay.
At some point an officer of the state gets involved, no? Is that person not subject to suit?Report
Just to step back a bit. What the plaintiffs want here is to temporarily stop enforcement of the law pending resolution of their case. Who does the court order to stop enforcing the law? And are they a party to the lawsuit?
If they knew Joe Blow would enforce the law against them, Joe Blow would have been made a party and the injunction would be against him.
The plaintiffs here sued a private party that apparently expressed an interest in enforcing the law as a general matter, but filed an affidavit stating that he has no present intention to enforce the law. Even if they ordered him not to enforce the law, it would not prohibit anybody else.
I agree with your point above that there is a lot of state action in litigation, but if a court is going to order someone not to do something, they generally need to be a party to a lawsuit with an opportunity of notice and an opportunity to be heard.Report
My understanding is that the “brilliance” of this law is it makes the potential litigants in an opposition suit, well, everyone. Sue Joe Blow and you stop him but John Bon steps up. Etc.
But if all the defendants in such suits just ignore all that and carry on… then what?Report
Too many hypothetical variations for me, I’m not sure who the defendants are and what they are ignoring. If Joe Blow is ordered not to enforce the law and he files suit under the law, he is in contempt and subject to sanctions. The Ex Parte Young case got to the Supreme Court via a Attorney General Young’s challenge to the contempt proceedings against him.Report
Should add that according to the plaintiff’s brief, there also appear to be some licensing / regulatory actions that might be taken following a judgment. I’m not clear on this, but the Attorney General appears to be able to pursue civil penalties subsequent to the underlying judgment.Report
Fugitive Slave Act 1850
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A lawyer on another blog pointed out that the real meaning of this case is that reactionary Republicans have found a way around the Ex Parte Young problem. You can write perfectly unconstitutional laws by not having any named state official to enforce them. So if you write the law like the Texas abortion bill, everything is privately enforced, than there is this perfect mechanism to allows states to violate civil liberties.Report
I am 100% sure that is exactly the point.
Now I’d love to see any of our resident lawyers look at the newly minted Texas voting laws through this lens.
Go ahead. I double dog dare you.Report
The new Texas voting laws are in part because the Texas Republicans might still be self-aware enough that this bill could easily cause a big backlash against them, enough to bring the Democratic Party over the line. They are hoping that the new voting laws can keep them in power by making it hard for the opposition to get out and vote.Report
Is abortion as energizing an issue in the current year as it was in the 80’s?
It doesn’t feel like it but I don’t know that I have a good perspective on this.Report
We know from the Trump administration that the rule of law isn’t.Report
Yes. The Trump administration.
Personally, I’d have been delighted with an agreement that there is a right to privacy and this right to privacy extends pretty dang far.
But, you know. Woulda coulda shoulda. Morality, legislation, and all that.Report
GoDaddy is no longer hosting the whistleblower site.
An excellent move in this iterated game.Report
I actually love that they cited the prohibition on data harvesting in the TOU. That’s completely legit and I commend whoever their lawyer is for thinking of it.Report
My own guess — and that’s all it is — is that it dies in federal court when challenged on the basis of nullifying federal medical records privacy laws. Texas courts can’t put medical procedure records into the public domain w/o approval of the patient. Should it get appealed to the SCOTUS, the three liberals, Roberts, and Kavanaugh will not vote for nullification.Report
So if a defendant is accused of performing an abortion, they can demand proof in the form of medical records / billing? And when the records are subpoenaed, they can quash it in federal court?Report
No. Medical records are discoverable. Sometimes certain assurances are required for PHI and there may be some state privacy laws in play but they’re relevant to all kinds of litigation.Report
Yeah, seems discoverable, but I also think if someone gets sued in state court and removes the case to federal court that should stop discovery in state court.Report
Medical records _of third parties_?
This law does not allow suing the person who hypothetically got the abortion. Only people who ‘assisted them’. Aka, the medical records are not those of who is being sued.
But it sets up a situation where, if the plaintiff prevails, it reveals that specific person _did_ get an abortion. By definition. And this appears to be public knowledge.
To repeat: This law appears to reveal the private medical information of someone _who is not a party to the suit_. At all.
That, itself, seems like a constitutional violation of privacy.Report
There are controls that can be
and often are put in place by the court to prevent sensitive records from becoming public, including records of third parties. Not sure I see a constitutional right to privacy issue.
But look I’m not really interested in defending this. I think it’s terrible for numerous reasons.Report
Yeah, I don’t think _any_ of us have any interest in defending this utter nonsense.
But my point is, once you actually look at the process, the facts _cannot_ be kept from becoming public. Let’s say I sue you for helping with X’s abortion, because you’re a Lyft driver who drove them:
The lawsuit is public record, and that the filed grounds of that lawsuit is that you helped with X’s abortion. So the public knows, when I file that suit, that I believe X got an abortion. Which is fine, that’s technically just an opinion, a claim, by me. I could randomly assert that anywhere I want. That’s not a reveal of medical records.
But then I win the suit, which again would be public information. There’s nothing under this law that keeps it secret, and in fact, there cannot be, because one of the premises is that only the _first_ winner of a lawsuit can get any damages, which means, by necessity, everyone has to know the outcome of previous suits.
And…this winning requires there to have actually been an abortion.
I mean, maybe I’m wrong, maybe there’s some way to hide some of that, but…the law doesn’t require filing under a seal! The claim of who got the abortion should be literally right there, in the court docket, as _part_ of the first filing. And if the plaintiff wins, we know the person listed did indeed get an abortion.
And even with hypothetical procedures to handle confidential medical information, and some ‘filing under a seal’ that does not appear to exist…who exactly is the side that is supposed to protect that access, to redact records and whatnot? It’s not the plaintiff, and it’s possibly not the defendant! In cases with those confidential records, it’s always _one of the parties_ with the records, fighting to keep them secret, and the court requires them to filter them and hand them over under specific rules. Here, it is not!
So now some third party (the doctor) has gotten entangled in this suit, about the confidential medical records of X, yet another third party.
And when you remember that the justification for the constitutional protection of abortion is _medical privacy_, and there’s no way to do these sort of lawsuits within any sort of framework that protects the medical privacy of a person who is not one of the parties of the suit…uh…I mean, it seems obvious which way this case should go under current precedent.
In addition to it being absurd in other ways.Report
“And…this winning requires there to have actually been an abortion.”
IIRC, it’s a civil case, which means preponderance of evidence. Which is explained to a jury as “more likely than not”.
That’s a fairly low bar, which many juries would convict on just because someone testified she’d been seen entering Planned Parenthood.
You and I know they do far more than abortions there, but we’d be struck from the jury pool ASAP.Report
I have to wonder if the politicians who passed this understand any of that.
I mean, what are we looking at? Right to Life comes to them and says “you will vote for this”?Report
I had thought (from watching Law & Order) that the State couldn’t hire someone to do something that it’s not allowed to do itself.
I’m also weirded out by the whole treatment of “standing” here. Everyone in the nation has standing to bring suit against some random person to “avenge” an illegal abortion? But abortion itself wasn’t made illegal here? So Right To Life was basically given law enforcement powers?
My basic expectation is Roe is overturned but this law is ruled unconstitutional because it’s such a cluster.Report
Standing is my thought too. I’m not a lawyer, but I always thought you had to have suffered some sort of injury to have it. So, how is some random stranger in TX in injured if Jane Doe gets an abortion?Report
Standing that didn’t exist before can be established by statute.Report
Abortion (after heartbeat) *was* made illegal:
“Sec. 171.204. PROHIBITED ABORTION OF UNBORN CHILD WITH DETECTABLE FETAL HEARTBEAT; EFFECT. (a) Except as provided by Section 171.205, a physician may not knowingly perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman if the physician detected a fetal heartbeat for the unborn child as required by Section 171.203 or failed to perform a test to detect a fetal heartbeat.”
They just didn’t attach criminal penalties… hence the private enforcement.Report
I’m curious: If the state has no role in enforcement, why they need a tip line? What are they doing with that info?Report
It’s run by a private organization, presumably one with deep pockets that’ll just sue everyone.Report
I have another question. It seems that the law gives every citizen of Texas standing to sue over every abortion. So what’s to stop 100,000 people from filing a lawsuit every time an abortion is performed, and each collecting $10,000 for each abortion?Report
Nothing. That is the point of the bill. Every abortion is subject to these lawsuits and then the clinic or sued individuals will have to affirmatively prove the abortion in question didn’t violate the liability enumerated in the bill at considerable legal cost. The point of the bill is to make abortion provision fiscally impossible to provide.Report
The law actually only allows the first lawsuit winner to collect.
Which raised the really weird idea that someone who supports abortion rights could just sue literally everyone involved in an abortion, win, and hand the winnings back to the people it took them from.
Or that they could sue _each other_, in a spectacularly absurd twist.
Yet another way this law is absurdly stupid.Report
Good news, Texas! Now you can go to Mexico for an abortion!Report