The Joy Of Opening Time Capsules: The 2024 Presidential Election

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  1. North
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    I’ll start us off!

    Harris/Walz win with the blue wall: MI, PA and WI. I’m not confident about the new purple AZ or GA to be able to even to predict anything but red for them. https://www.270towin.com/maps/KmypG

    I’d say the big surprises are that there aren’t any big surprises.

    Dems take the House but the GOP seems very likely to take the Senate 50-49. Tester needs a miracle to win and we don’t have a replacement pickup for his seat.

    No further assassination attempts- the SS has been tightening up and the two moronic loons who made the attempts didn’t get the kind of media attention or adulation that might encourage more moronic loons to try.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to North
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      Interesting!

      My thoughts are still percolating (though I stand by both of my “Let’s Face It” posts).

      If I were going to make a bet about The Blue Wall, it’d be that two of the three states would go one way and the third would go the other. I don’t know which two and I don’t know which way. But we’re going to have two one color and the third will be the other.Report

      • North in reply to Jaybird
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        Well right now, polling wise, it looks like PA would be the most likely to flip red which also makes intuitive sense since Wallz is popular in MN and a lot of people in WI commute into MN to work so that support may well bleed over. I still think the blue wall states will hold though.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to North
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          Yeah, maybe. I think I had PA and WI red and MI blue, in my head. But I failed to take into account commuters.

          So here. I think I think that Trump wins due to PA and NV flipping. BUT DANG IT IS CLOSE.

          Republicans pick up 2 in the senate, pick up 8 in the House.

          https://www.270towin.com/maps/jPvkEReport

          • North in reply to Jaybird
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            Thanks, I hate it! Also, it’s basically next door to my own prediction, just one tick to the right.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to North
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              There’s this weird undercurrent of “we don’t know anything”.

              Even as we look at the polls, we don’t know anything.

              Even as we look at North Carolina, we don’t know anything about North Carolina.Report

              • North in reply to Jaybird
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                Yes, polling has just been thumped around the last couple electoral cycles- it gets close in hindsight but is always close enough that the margin of error of the aggregate predicts either outcome without hindsight.

                So, the polls say, to the educated reader, “it could go either way” and the educated reader says “we already knew that!”

                The question is, is it 2020, in which case Harris is in trouble, or is it 2022 in which case Trump unambiguously fished. Or is 2024 new?Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to North
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      That’s kind of my expectation as well; the electoral map will be “Obama 2012” and the popular vote will be 53-46 with a higher turnout than the past two years. Less some new mandate for a future and more A Return To Normalcy.Report

      • North in reply to DensityDuck
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        I’m good for a Return to Normalcy personally. It’d be fascinating to watch when the GOP/right does if Trump loses. They obviously wouldn’t “want” to go Trump again but how the getting there happens would be very interesting to see.Report

        • InMD in reply to North
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          I think if he loses chances are high he does at least some prison time, maybe remains a cause celebré in the alt/hard online right, but is quickly memory holed anywhere that butts up against the mainstream.

          I can already read the quizzicle piece at WSJ or wherever that treats the everything Trump as if it was somehow a creation of the left wing media.

          If he loses.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to North
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      Harris is up +2 in North Carolina and Josh Stein is up a whopping +13.

      https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/north-carolina/

      If this continues, it is not a good trend for Republicans.Report

      • North in reply to Saul Degraw
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        from your lips to God(ess?)’s ear Saul me lad. what is your prediction?Report

        • Saul Degraw in reply to North
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          I think Harris probably wins and it is probably pretty apparent on Nov 5. I can still have moments of anxiety of Trump getting a 2016 victory again. Democrats probably retake the House and do fairly well in the Senate. Tester is a almost likely a goner. Brown and Baldwin get reelected. Hogan is not a contender. Slotkin wins. There is a plausible but outside chance Allread wins. A less likely but not completely implausible chance Scott gets taken down.Report

  2. Saul Degraw
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    I wrote this yesterday but I think the polls are over weighing Republicans and we have already entered the Republican partisan “polling” outfits flooding the zone with S##T stage.

    The most recent polling from Pennsylvania already comes from three Republican Partisan outfits. One of which is run by two college students. Patriot Polling and the Trafalgar Group were part of the outfits that predicted 2022 very poorly.
    Atlas Intel is run by a right-libertarian think tank called The Atlas Network. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/pennsylvania/Report

  3. Saul Degraw
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    You can see the same flooding of the zone with s*@t in Michigan at both the President and Senate level. Senate polls have had Slotkin, the Democratic candidate consistently up by +4 to +6. Trafalgar group declared the race EVEN. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/michigan/

    Another poll taking by Mitchel Research at the same time had Slotkin up by 5. Mitchell Research was started by a Reagan-Bush guy and also has a partisan lean but not as obvious as Trafalgar or Patriot Polling and they try to be a bit more accurate. Trafalgar could be correct theoretically but it looks more like an outlier and outliers require extraordinary evidence.

    So we might be at a point where individual polls are more reliable than the aggregates.Report

  4. Greg in Ak
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    Harris takes the “Blue Wall” states and at least one of NV, AZ or NC. Maybe 2 of those 3. Wins popular vote easily of course. R’s take senate, D’s take house. Nothing really surprising

    Big questions are:
    What does trump try to sell after his loss?
    Where will his riot/coup attempt be this time?Report

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