The Virtue of Tuning Out

Alex M. Parker

Alex Parker is a policy writer in Washington, D.C. with 15 years of journalism experience.

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  1. Damon
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    As someone who lived for 30 years in a very blue state, where even the republicans are blue, my vote has never mattered much. It was the during the time when a republican state assembly person was running for reelection and stood in front of my door giving her pitch. My response was “so you voted for the largest tax increase in the state’s history (at that time true, but no longer) for a few million dollars to improve road x?” That was when I decided “let them drown in lakes of blood*”. Screw em. I’ll pay attention when I leave this state. Never looked back and never regretted it. YMMV

    * Conan the Destroyer movie reference.Report

  2. Jaybird
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    Huh. The Omnicause has an additional unintended consequence.

    “Yeah, I just can’t get incensed about Item 238. I was on board for the first 237! But… man. Mondays, am I right?”Report

  3. Fish
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    I got an early start on tuning out/disconnecting. I got rid of twitter. I’ve stopped participating in political discussions online, and do my best to be quiet and non-participatory when people I’m with want to talk about politics. I’m finding better uses for my time. I simply no longer care, though I leave myself the option to come back later. Meantime, I hope everybody has the future they deserve.Report

  4. Greg in Ak
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    I agree. For me it’s there is only so much information out there. There are things we need to think about, question, understand, research and figure out. Great. But we can only do so much of that AND, more importantly, most of what is out there isn’t information. It’s commentary, vague thoughts , bull shit or just random goat entrails about every little bit of information. Pay attention to the important stuff and ignore the fluff .Report

    • Koz in reply to Greg in Ak
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      In spite of some libs trying to flog the deadest of horses, to a significant extent this is already happening.

      Here’s a prediction that might create some perspective on the situation. It is widely expected that President Trump will pardon most or all of the January 6 defendants soon after he is inaugurated. My prediction is that the level of protest in public debate will be quite muted, even among libs. Not completely silent of course, but much much less that previous Resistance agitations.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Koz
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        The January 6th Attack was neither vague nor a difference of opinion. Trump’s desire to reward those doing violence on his behalf doesn’t mean we should all move on, and his abuse of the pardon power in this manor – if it happens – will still be wrong no matter who or how much protest erupts after it.Report

  5. Burt Likko
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    I tried tuning out for a while back in 2015. Here were my thoughts at the conclusion of the experiment.

    They make me sad to re-read today, but not because of the experiment itself, but rather because that post is just saturated with previous life circumstances that within fifteen months of the writing of that post were all gone, and the truth is I’ve not stopped mourning them even now. This is probably not good for my mental health. But for you all, my thoughts on finding happiness (and some of the resulting discussion) may well be worthwhile re-reading, whether you participated in that discussion or not.Report

  6. Saul Degraw
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    “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle. One thing that helps toward it is to keep a diary, or, at any rate, to keep some kind of record of one’s opinions about important events. Otherwise, when some particularly absurd belief is exploded by events, one may simply forget that one ever held it. Political predictions are usually wrong. But even when one makes a correct one, to discover why one was right can be very illuminating.”-George Orwell

    There seem to be a lot of Democrats and anti-Trump types who are looking at 2024 as an “okay, you need to learn the hard way situation.” But part of getting people to tune out is the authoritarian playbook.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Saul Degraw
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      But part of getting people to tune out is the authoritarian playbook.

      Steve Bannon’s 2018 quote comes to mind:

      “The Democrats don’t matter,” Bannon told Lewis. “The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with sh!t.”

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  7. Philip H
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    Tuning out is obeying in advance. It’s sacrificing a few fragmentary bits of peace (which aren’t peaceful at all) for a lack of clear eyed understanding of what’s happening and why. It’s allowing others to dictate your reality and your responses to that reality. It’s dangerous and morally lazy.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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      What if the whole “Trump is Hitler” thing of the last few years was performative politics?

      I imagine that there’d be a handful of true believers standing there like the people who believed Trump about the tariffs saying “but you said…” and then trailing off.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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        I still think he’s a fascist, and will use the powers of his office thusly. I have maintained he’s more like a South American tinpot then a Na.zi and I think the analogy holds up. I also think the true believers he has assembled for this round of Cabinet Secretaries and White House senior staff will be very much fascist/authoritarian in how they operate. Especially with respect to their opponents.

        They won’t do any of the things they promise d their constituents in order to get elected – fascists never do. They are already walking back the “Make Groceries Cheaper” promise afterall.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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          Should I be surprised if the “Trump == Hitler” people start walking their statements back?Report

          • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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            My experience around here is you will do whatever you want whenever you want regardless of how any of us predict you might respond. And you will do it because it amuses you. Not because you are actually clinging to any set of principles. The folks you reference are not likely to do that walk back in any meaningful way because the principles they cling to won’t let them.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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              No, I actually *DO* have principles, it’s just that they’re at odds with different stuff than you’re at odds with.

              A lot of the things you think are matters of morality strike me as being matters of taste (or of aesthetics) and I’m more than happy enough to treat them as such.

              But I can appreciate that that must look like amorality to someone who is deeply devout.Report

          • Ken S in reply to Jaybird
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            Name me five people who matter — not Twitter bots, but identifiable humans with an epsilon of influence — who said “Trump == Hitler.”Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Ken S
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              Would a Politico article from late 2023 talking about Biden’s campaign doing it count?

              Does the “campaign” count as five people? Or just one?

              I suppose if you argued that Biden’s Campaign doesn’t matter, I wouldn’t have a counter-argument…Report

              • Ken S. in reply to Jaybird
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                Typical Jaybirdism. You don’t explicitly claim that such an article exists, you don’t tell us what form the “doing it” takes (an actual campaign statement, or some internal watercooler talk, for example), and you don’t identify the article so we can read it for ourselves. Why?Report

              • Philip H in reply to Ken S.
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                You must be new around here …Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Ken S.
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                you don’t identify the article so we can read it for ourselves

                I thought I linked to it? Lemme check. Yep. I just clicked on the link and opened it.

                Now, I’ll grant, the article doesn’t say “Trump == Hitler” as much as it says “the campaign is comparing Trump’s statements to Hitler’s statements”.

                Here’s an excerpt from the article you didn’t click on:

                It was the fourth time in the past six weeks that Biden’s campaign has likened Trump’s remarks to Hitler’s in written statements and probably not the last.

                But there you go.Report

              • Ken S in reply to Jaybird
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                Sorry — I didn’t know that red type signals a link. Now I’ve read the article. This is my reply. It is simply a fact that calling people “vermin” and claiming that they are “poisoning our blood” really is Nazi language. I believe that “Trump == Hitler” is gross hyperbole, while “Trump sometimes talks like a Nazi” is an empirical fact. Are you telling us that these two statements are equivalent? If so, then you are asserting that “Trump == Hitler.”Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Ken S
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                Well, I also read the opening line to the essay:

                In most situations, comparing a political opponent to Adolf Hitler might seem like an extraordinary step. For Joe Biden’s campaign, it has become part of the routine of running against Donald Trump.

                If we want to run with “it was a *SIMILE*, not a *METAPHOR*”, I will cheerfully concede the point and you can feel like you’ve made an important point and I can feel like you’ve made a distinction that doesn’t really address much of anything about my original criticism.

                (And, for the record, when asked for cites, I usually answer with red links. Click on them! Double-check my work! Make sure I’m not stealing a base!)Report

              • Ken S in reply to Jaybird
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                I’ll say it one more time. That Trump sometimes talks like a N-zi is an empirical fact. There are no honest grounds on which to criticize his opponents for drawing attention to that fact. The claim that “Trump == Hitler” is, on the other hand, preposterous. Go ahead and claim that the distinction between truth and foolishness is piddling if it makes you feel good.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Ken S
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                They’re not comparing Trump to *HITLER*, they’re just *COMPARING* Trump to Hitler.

                I gotcha.Report

              • Ken S in reply to Jaybird
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                I got it, too. When Trump behaves like Hitler, they are required to pretend that he doesn’t.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Ken S
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                So why in the hell were you asking me for sources of people who were comparing Trump to Hitler?

                Was it because you didn’t think that there were enough of them and you were hoping that I had happened to catch some that you missed?!?Report

              • Ken S in reply to Jaybird
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                Neither of us were using the phrase “comparing to Hitler.” I asked who was equating Trump with Hitler. You may think that this is a trivial distinction. I don’t. It’s the difference between honesty and foolishness.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Ken S
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                Again, if we want to run with “it was a *SIMILE*, not a *METAPHOR*”, I will cheerfully concede the point and you can feel like you’ve made an important point and I can feel like you’ve made a distinction that doesn’t really address much of anything about my original criticism.Report

              • Ken S in reply to Jaybird
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                More nonsense. Trump uses N-zi language. That’s not a metaphor (like “Trump == Hitler”). It’s not a simile (like “Trump is like Hitler.”) It’s an literal, observable fact. You and your article object to democrats telling the truth. Too bad.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Ken S
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                The article doesn’t object to Democrats telling the truth. It’s something I posted in response to your asking for it.

                As for my objections, they’re more of the form “you’re trivializing Trump, you’re normalizing Nazism, and you’re making a Type I error that makes future Type II errors more likely”.

                My objection is not “stop doing damage to Trump!”

                It’s “you’re not damaging him as much as damaging yourself”.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Ken S
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                You must be new around here.Report

    • Damon in reply to Philip H
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      “Tuning out is obeying in advance” No it’s not. Frankly, my vote literarily does NOT matter in my state. The state is reliably blue and very liberal. It’s more “under the radar”. You know, the nail that sticks up gets hammered.

      Some of my opinions and views have moderated over time from when I moved here, but is that getting older and seeing other perspectives or absorbing some of the culture where I live, I can’t say for sure. I do know this, no matter which way I vote, in the national perspective, it don’t matter. Does it matter locally? Yes. But local is basically schools. I don’t have kids, so frankly, other than my taxes going up, I don’t give a F. The peace of mind is a very nice thing. Again, if the world is going to hell in an handbasket, well, it only needs to last another 40 years or so and I really won’t care then at all.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Damon
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        One could argue my vote doesn’t matter in a deeply red state, even in local elections (where no one has run as a Democrat in what I am told is decades). Unfortunately my obligations as a citizen don’t allow me the conclusion you have reached. Your shouldn’t either ad it’s all the more a pity that you believe as you do.Report

        • Damon in reply to Philip H
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          I believe what I believe. I have no children, so when I’m dead, the sun can vaporize the earth for all I care, and frankly, since I don’t believe in an afterlife, once I’m dead, nothing matters. “let the word burn, I don’t care anymore.” sums it up nicely. Pity me if you like…that’s on you.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Damon
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            So you have no obligations outside yourself in a society and society has no obligations to you?

            That’s morbidly fascinating, and pitiable all at the same time.Report

            • Damon in reply to Philip H
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              “So you have no obligations outside yourself in a society and society has no obligations to you”

              My obligations to society are few. I pay my taxes, and I generally obey the law. I have obligations to family and friends who I like in my life. Otherwise, no. All other “obligations” are on an “at will” basis.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Damon
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                That’s what’s weird. If you pay your taxes and obey the law and just hang with your friends and family, the question is “what about your obligations to society?”

                Criminals? These questions don’t seem to come up as often.

                Teachers who fail to teach their students? Well, we must have failed in our obligations to these teachers. More funding! More support!

                The guy who pays his taxes and wants to be left alone? He’s the guy who isn’t meeting his obligations.

                It’s never the public servants who fail. It’s never the criminals.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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                Criminals by their nature are ditching their obligations to society. Problems arise, however, when things beyond a person’s control (like lack of employment opportunity or economic homelessness) are criminalized.
                A different problem exists for teachers and other civil servants who are stretched too thin and woefully underresoruced against their required actions. They are bending over backwards to meet societal obligations but stymied by forces beyond their control.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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                Just define everything as being beyond a criminal’s control.

                And focus on non-criminals not doing more to meet their obligations to the criminals.

                What could possibly go wrong?Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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                I didn’t say that. I said we start to cause problem when we criminalize certain types of things. Economic homelessness is not usually in the control of the homeless person – if it were they would have avoided it. But making their actions of seeking stable shelter in public spaces criminal (which is what camp clearing does) worsens their situation, and breaks the societal bonds they need most as their economic situation deteriorates.

                Simply paying taxes and wanting to be left alone is nice, but it doesn’t prevent criminalization of things like economic homelessness, nor does it help society remain cohesive. It fact, I’d argue its a driver of declining social trust.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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                And I’m saying that once you carve out that exemption, it’s not particularly difficult to define everything as being beyond a criminal’s control.

                Shoplifting? Hey, people need to make money.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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                You really don’t like nuance do you?Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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                In theory, I love it!

                In practice, I see people explain away shoplifting, homelessness, and pooping in the middle of the sidewalk while, at the same time, yelling at non-criminal people experiencing housedness that they’re not doing more to meet their obligations.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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                I’m yelling at us about not meeting our obligations to the homeless. Of course you knew that already and went down your road anyway, because perish the thought that someone else gets to set the terms of the debate around here.

                Like Koz you seem to think you get to decide who plays and who doesn’t and what they say and what they don’t. When Mike Dwyer brought me round here I was convinced I had found decent place of caring if politically opposite people. All these years later he’s gone and I’m left with a bunch of conservatives who think parading as libertarians would have made them cooler in middle school.

                meanwhile our nation is literally burning, and it’s more important to you to try and derail everything anyone says then admit they might be right.Report

    • Koz in reply to Philip H
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      Tuning out is obeying in advance.

      You should obey in advance.Report

  8. Saul Degraw
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    On a certain emotional level, I get the idea of tuning out. Like a lot of Democrats, I am deeply upset about the 2024 results and a lot of my fellow Democrats seem to think “Okay, we tried to warn you. You didn’t listen. I guess you need to learn the hard way.” It has a certain aspect of self-care to it. Things look like they could be dark for a while and I have mixed opinions on whether it is wise or not for the Democratic Party to become a total opposition party. I generally think the only way to win with Trump is not to play but Democratic Party politicians are pathologically incapable of just sitting back even if there is a part of me that thinks “Okay, you say you can work with Trump on kitchen sink issues but how is that going to help when he puts Congress in permanent recess like a would be Charles I.” But on the other hand, Trump is not President yet and doing that now just looks chicken little and again, Democrats are pathological towards trying to wrassle something out anything

    But checking out is still obeying in advance in some or many ways.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Saul Degraw
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      I generally think the only way to win with Trump is not to play but Democratic Party politicians are pathologically incapable of just sitting back even if there is a part of me that thinks “Okay, you say you can work with Trump on kitchen sink issues but how is that going to help when he puts Congress in permanent recess like a would be Charles I.”

      We are already seeing this play out with Democratic support of the horrible immigration bill that is moving from the House to the Senate.Report

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