Throughput: The Kids Are All Right but the Surgeon General Isn’t Edition

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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  1. Pinky
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    ThTh1 – Your position seems to be that we should stop scaring our children with dire predictions before we address the possible problem of dire-prediction-injectors. As for me, while I can recognize the weaknesses in testing people for their opinions about their moods, the more time I spend with young people the more concerned I am about their socialization skills.Report

    • InMD in reply to Pinky
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      From a purely anecdotal perspective I think you’re right. The good news is that, also from a purely anecdotal perspective, I think the pendulum is swinging back in a better direction. At minimum I think parents are starting to better understand that socialization that used to happen by osmosis is now something you have to put some effort into. Of course I could also be self selecting into groups of people that want to do that.Report

  2. fillyjonk
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    ThTh1: It seems to me this is just more of the same. There’s a problem, it has complex causes and complex aspects, and it’s hard to attack, but there’s one comparatively minor side to it that is susceptible to sound-bites and “something must be done,” so that side of it is blamed for most of the problem.

    One of the problems with kids and social media is that bullies have a further reach now. But bullying will never be extirpated; it’s very complicated to teach kids not to bully (especially if their parents see nothing wrong in it, as was the case when I was a bullied kid – the worst bullies had parents who thought it was ridiculous the school might ask their kids to rein in their behavior). And the pandemic, as you noted, will have far-reaching effects on people. I can see now that even though I was comparatively safe, didn’t lose my job, didn’t lose any close loved ones, etc., I still had a certain level of trauma that’s still not totally healed.

    But banning kids from social media? We can (try to) do that! And so New York state is working on it.

    Nevermind that a gay friend of mine (who is also younger than me and grew up with the internet) commented that being able to find other kids like him online may have saved him as a teen.Report

    • DavidTC in reply to fillyjonk
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      Nevermind that a gay friend of mine (who is also younger than me and grew up with the internet) commented that being able to find other kids like him online may have saved him as a teen.

      Yeah, I’ll second that.

      Social media provides a place that bullying can happen even farther out of sight of adults, which is not great, but it also provides a place for teens to actually interact with other people besides those bullies.

      And of course, while we’re talking about bullying, there’s the issue we will never talk about: A huge chunk of bullying is merely the reflected prejudices of the parents, and a lot of that is coming from the conservative direction, a huge amount of it.

      For some reason we feel like we shouldn’t politicize this issue at all, but it really does actually get kind of political. Kids pick up on how parents really think about disabilities, how they really think about queer people, how they really think about people with funny accents…and bullying happens based off of that.

      If it didn’t, if bullying was just based on random chance or social ineptness of kids, we wouldn’t have groups that get bullied way more than other groups. But we do, statistically.Report

  3. Jaybird
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    ThTh3: Without disagreeing one iota, I’d ask how unfair it’d be to describe human beings as “plagiarism machines”?Report

    • Andrew Donaldson in reply to Jaybird
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      Anecdotal, but as far as human beings being “plagiarism machines”:

      One of my oldest friends I’ve known since 6th grade currently lives in Costa Rica, and teaches English there to Spanish school students. The biggest issue he has right now down there is all the students using ChatGPT and other assorted AI’s to try and cheat like they understand the language when they don’t.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Andrew Donaldson
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        Yeah, we were discussing the AI thing in front of my buddy’s kid and he turned to us and said “Watch This!” and generated an 800 word essay on The Underground Railroad while we sat there.

        But I was asking a much wackier question. Aren’t humans in general just lifting and laying back down with the only difference being the amount and quality of the remixing?Report

  4. Michael Cain
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    ThTh3: I assume that the generative forms of large neural net models will be useful for things eventually. I’m much more interested in the recognition sorts of things that are already useful. For example, significant improvements have been made in optical character recognition accuracy. And stuff that can be built on top of high-quality recognizers.Report

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