Thursday Throughput: Billionaires In Space Edition
Billionaires…..in….SPAAAAAAAAACE!
[ThTh1] So last week, Richard Branson announced that he intends to fly into space aboard the VSS Unity, a space plane that launches from below a massive jet, goes to the edge of the atmosphere and then glides back to Earth. This announcement followed Jeff Bezos’ claim that he would be on the crew of Blue Origin’s first flight.
For some reason, this set off a wave of hand-wringing articles about how awful billionaires in space is, how inappropriate it is for billionaires to jaunt into space1 and even hysterical claims that the billionaires are going to emigrate into space, leaving the rest of us stuck on this hell rock.
This crosses me an over-reaction bred mainly by one of the defining emotions of our time: wealth envy.
First of all, the billionaires in space race is something that will benefit all of us. Mostly inadvertently, I grant you. But finding innovative cheaper ways of getting things into orbit (or even better, out of it) is a good thing. It means innovations in things like microminiaturization and electronics that will benefit other industries. It means ailing or dead satellites can be replaced faster and cheaper. It may eventually mean more bang for our taxpayer buck when it comes to space exploration and space science. It means more inspiring moments when humans do the impossible.
Second, we are a long long long way away from people being able to live in space. This Twitter thread goes over some of the massive technical support the ISS needs as well as the intense schedule astronauts are subjected to and the physiological stress it places them under. Now that is a situation that will improve over time, at least partially because of people like Bezos and Branson who want space to a destination, not just a dream. But the amount of innovation and investment needed to get there is substantial and well beyond the reach of even Earth’s richest people.
Finally, as always happens when the conversation turns to space flight, we find ourselves beset by the “why are we wasting all this money in space instead of solving problems on Earth?” naysayers. But, as I have been saying seemingly from the time I could crawl, this is not either-or. Both men have pledge billions of dollars to help fight climate changed. But more importantly, Earth-bound problems are far too large and far too complex to be solved by these men. Let’s pretend we could confiscate all of Jeff Bezos’ wealth. And all of Elon Musk’s. And all of Branson’s. And hell, let’s throw Bill Gates in there. That’s maybe $100 billion or so?
That’s about a tenth of what is spent to fight poverty by the United States government alone each year. That’s 0.1-0.2% of the cost the Green New Deal. That’s maybe two years of what we’re investing in alternative energy right now, let alone in the future.
This is a subset of an issue I’ve gotten into before: you can’t fund government on the backs of the rich. But it’s more an illustration of our need to not let wealth envy cloud our perspective. Social and environmental issues exist on a scale that is beyond the ability of even entire countries to solve. Global problems are…global problems. And however, much money Jeff Bezos may have, it pales in comparison to the $81 trillion global GDP. If you want to solve the problem of, say, global warming, massive tech investment by government (maybe a Bezos’ worth every year), regulation and international cooperation are the key. Cancelling a Blue Origin flight will contribute nothing toward that goal.
In the meantime, I don’t have a problem with billionaires hitching rides on spaceships they funded to get a few minutes in freefall. Maybe, if they enjoy it, this will inspire them to make the innovations we really do need to open up space to the human race, an arena where Bezos-scale money can make a big difference. Or, failing that, billionaires in space really will stay up there and we can go back to ignoring their press clippings.
[ThTh2] So what’s the deal with the COVID-19 Delta variant? Are we going back to masks and social distancing? Hard to tell at this stage. We’re still gathering data on how effective the vaccines are against Delta. The lowball estimates come from studies in Israel and Singapore, which suggest that the vaccines are about 65% effective in preventing infection but about 95% effective in preventing serious illness. When this entire mess began, I saw that as the optimistic case. However, it’s difficult to tease this out as Delta is mostly running rampant in unvaccinated populations. Almost all infections and all deaths are among the unvaccinated. Other studies in the UK and Canada indicate that the two-dose Pfizer and Moderna regimens may be 90% effective. The gripping hand here is that Delta is so infectious that even if the efficacy of the vaccines is 90%, that lucky 1-in-10 who contracts the disease can spread it like wildfire among the unvaccinated.
In the end, the advice has not changed. Get vaccinated. If you haven’t had your second dose, get it. Do activities outdoors when possible. It’s not clear what will happen with mask mandates — the science is clear that masks work but much muddier on whether mandates work. But masking indoors where people may not be vaccinated seems a reasonable precaution. (And no, they don’t cause you to choke on CO2.)
A lot of scientists I’ve spoken to expect a big COVID-19 surge in the fall, followed by the virus finally dying down to manageable levels (i.e., occasional outbreaks that we can keep at bay with vaccines). I hope they’re wrong about the former but right about the latter.
[ThTh3] Also on the vaccine front, a new study may show why some COVID vaccines cause an extremely rare blood-clotting condition. This is a critical step toward making the vaccines even safer. It’s also becoming clear that the China-backed Sinovac vaccine is becoming nearly useless, assuming it was ever useful. Singapore, for example, is no longer counting people as vaccinated if they received the Sinovac vaccine.
In related news, several scientists have resigned from the editorial board of the journal that published the garbage study claiming that vaccines kill two people for every three they save. You can click within Retraction Watch to see why the study is so badly wrong.
[ThTh4] Phil Plait has a great rundown of what’s going on with the Hubble Space Telescope. The short version is that they’re having computer issues and they want to be very careful about how they solve them, since we can no longer service the telescope with the Space Shuttle. Hopefully, it will be back up and running soon.
If and when the end comes for Hubble, it will be the end of an era. Right now, there is nothing on the books to replace it. James Webb is a magnificent telescope, but will work in the infrared. Our eyes in space be very darkened in the optical and ultraviolet.
[ThTh5] The story of human evolution just got messier.
[ThTh6] This study, suggesting that people must cut their energy needs by 90% to meet global warming targets is a good illustration of why we can’t conserve our way out of this. No one will accept that standard of living. We have to innovate. And the recent record-shattering heat wave is as good a reminder as any that we to innovate radically and now.
[ThTh7] A new paper suggests that decreasing pollution has resulted in increased crop yields. Just one more data point showing that cleaning up the environment and having a strong economy are not opposed to each other.
ThTh2: I am trying to negotiate with myself the whole “should I mask in class this fall”? thing. Our mask mandate has been lifted, and selfishly, I’d love to be able to teach without a mask (especially on our super humid days, especially in the rooms where the AC has the tendency to go out). But I also know that even though I’m vaxxed, I could be one of the “lucky” (as you put it) 10%, and I’d feel terrible to learn that I had an immunocompromised student I made sick.
Then again: I have faith in the vaccine protecting me, and also – I don’t GO anywhere. I don’t hang out in crowded clubs, if I go to a store these days it’s at a slow time and I wear a mask in the store. So I don’t know.
this is all a giant What We Owe To Each Other problem, I guess, and my bar for What I Owe seems to be higher than that of a lot of my fellow citizens.
I suppose also my continuing to mask might help morally support those who feel they have to in class? I can’t quite imagine any of our students being big enough jerks to harass a mask-wearer, but it’s a bit world and I’ve learned this past year there are more a(pple)holes in it than I had thought possible before.
As for improving ventilation, which I would love to see? There’s no money for that. There’s never any money for anything like that.
(Frankly, I wish that I had someone much wiser than I am tell me either to mask or not. I have had to make too many hard decisions this past year and I am burned out on these kind of “there is no clear best choice” choices)Report
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293495/
No masks.
Have class outside where possible.Report
Why ever shouldn’t the ultra-rich fund and personally participate in aerospace ventures? They’ve been doing it ever since there was such a thing as aerospace in the first place!
Branson and Bezos and Musk want to go to space and spend their money on making that possible? Awesome! They want to try monetizing space tourism? Cool! No skin off my nose, and frankly, not a particularly big opportunity cost to the rest of society. At least someone is dreaming, innovating, developing, and exploring, which is a necessary thing if we are to grow as a society and as a global culture.
Full disclosure: my ex-wife worked for one of Branson’s space development companies for a time while she and I were together. I am not comfortable divulging all the information she brought home because it’s not mine to divulge and I don’t know what’s been made public. I wouldn’t be surprised if in ten years Virgin Galactic and its related projects have become a profitable commercial venture for which space tourism is simply the public face. Likely the same is true for Bezos’ and Musk’s ventures too.Report
See also ThTh6. Portland’s new temperature records will fall. With a non-zero probability, the opening of The Ministry For the Future will happen within 50 years. If the billionaires want to drop a billion or two on tech, affordable small modular fission reactors, and safer ways to address the spent fuel problem, are save-the-world sorts of efforts that would put them in the history books*. A few billion dollars to mitigate the miserable massive-fire-prone condition of the US national forests is another, given how much CO2 wouldn’t be released. Yet another space-tourism launch vehicle, not so much.
* Note that Bill Gates appears to have finally figured out that no one else, including the federal government, is going to take all those TerraPower simulations and drop the few-to-several billion it will cost to get a license and build the first one, and that he’s going to have to take the risk himself.Report
When I hear people complaining about billionaires making speculative investments in pushing the technological frontier, or donating to charity (yes, complaining about this is a thing; see Rob Reich on billionaire philanthropy) because it’s not under democratic control, what I hear is that we should put all our eggs in one basket. That only people small-minded enough to be elected to Congress should have any say in what approaches we take to solving technological and social problems.Report
Vaccines are not supposed to stop you from ever getting the disease, they’re supposed to give your immune system a serious leg up.
I’m not shocked the vaccine is less than perfect against Delta but remains REALLY good at stopping people from getting killed. The idea vaccines are supposed to be perfect is absurd, it showcases just how great a job Pfizer (etc) did.
We have multiple states where, in a given month, all the deaths are from unvaccinated people. The overall mortality rate is holds steady at 100% so some people who have been vaccinated will die, but mostly they’ll be corner cases.
Math-wise, getting vaccinated is an easy choice.Report
If I remember my immunology (spoiler: I don’t), the way this works is that when the immune system encounters an unknown protein, B cells with antibodies that kind of match it start proliferating and mutating like crazy until a good match is found.
As you might imagine, randomly finding a match for a three-dimensional structure takes some time, but the closer the antibodies you already have match an invading virus, the less time it takes, and the less time the virus has to reproduce before your immune system eradicates it. So even having a kind of close match can dramatically reduce the severity of infection.
I do wonder if the mRNA vaccines are less helpful against variants, since they only train your immune system to recognize one part of the virus, rather than the broader recognition you’d get from infection or a whole-virus vaccine, but that’s wholly speculative. Again, I don’t really know what I’m talking about.Report
you’d think the math would be persuasive, but on a day where the Mississippi health officer announced 10 of 11 deaths in the sate were unvaccinated, people responded to the news with wailing about how this isn’t a vaccine its gene therapy and thus we were all guinea pigs in some sort of dark devious genetic experiment and they all pronounced themselves glad they were not getting the shot.
Math will not save us in this instance.Report
Philip,
It’s all about the ACE sites, honestly.
People are forcing their children to get injections for a virus that they cannot catch.
2000-3000 dead American children, by our best estimates.
That’s a 9/11’s worth of dead chillun.
Not counting all the kids who “can’t do sports no more.”
And we aren’t even getting into the dead unborn. 6 per 1000 women.Report
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 331 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,946 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
In terms of realistic risks we have Anaphylaxis (allergic reaction), which is 2-5 people per million in the US, and blood clots, which was limited to J&J and which we have a good idea how to treat now.
The US has 75 million children. 75*(2-5) implies 150-375 cases of Anaphylaxis in children (not thousands).
If the rate of 0.0018% held true then we’d be looking at 1350 children. VERY likely this is an absurd over estimate since it includes very sick people (old age, etc) who then die from unclear sources. The overall death rate holds steady at 100%, so we should expect that we give the vaccine to people who then die of random stuff.
For comparison, in December we had 2+ million children who had had Covid, 172 of them died, so their death rate is something like 0.01% (something like 5x even our absurdly high for children rate of 0.0018%).Report
You’ve kindly forgotten “skin melts off” (acute version) and “heart-enlargement related deaths.”
Famous people conveniently “die of covid” less than two weeks after being jabbed…Report
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/preliminary-data-indicate-that-covid-19-vaccines-dont-increase-the-risk-of-pregnancy-related-adverse-outcomes/Report
I find it cute, and quaint, how you assume that the FDA/CDC is publishing everything immediately and accurately.Report
You claimed 6 out of 1000. That’s a very high, very impressive number. Should be lots of serious players finding it.
If you can back that up with a link go ahead. I suggest you check if the source isn’t some quack, there’s a lot of disinformation around.Report
As opposed to pulling things directly from our backsides, as you are?Report
If you get to cite sources as “The Scientists I know”
I get to cite sources the same way (my friend cast the deciding vote for the WHO to declare COVID-19 a pandemic. Don’t think I’m saying he’s a big fish, it was a timezone issue).
I’ve cited sources. Will continue to cite sources.Report
I see no links from you in this exchange. I thought you had posted one at some point and it had a three digit claim (which is small in this context).
However I don’t see it now so I may be misremembering things or that may be a different conversation.
The WHO certainly didn’t cover itself with glory at the start of this, however you’re disputing the WHO, the CDC, and FDA. Where do your numbers and claims come from?Report
You haven’t cited a single source for your claims that thousands of children are dead and faces are melting off and all your other nonsense. We’ve cited CDC data, refereed papers, etc.Report
Projected deaths at 2000-3000 dead children (This is the correct figure to use in discussions of public policy decisions). Given current rates of vaccination, we shouldn’t expect to see all of them occurring at this time.
https://nypost.com/2021/03/30/mans-skin-peeled-off-in-reaction-to-johnson-johnson-covid-vax/
Skin melting off (acute version, which is MUCH MUCH easier to treat — chronic version does NOT have a good life expectancy. As in two people ever have survived it, and one of them has naked bone where flesh used to be).Report
Nice hyperbole. That isn’t ‘skin melting off’, it’s more akin to a nasty sunburn without the added benefit of a day at the beach.
It’s also a very rare reaction.Report
It’s an allergy rash.
I got one from some over the counter med I took. Spreads FAST, over a couple of hours it went from red dots to a red welt covering my entire chest.
Now with a couple of dollars worth of medicine (a steroid pill in my case) it goes away as fast as it came.
This guy’s problem is he left it untreated for 4 days. I can easily believe you lose your skin like a bad sunburn if you do that.
This is very rare, but very well understood, and very treatable if you actually get it treated.Report
Heightened immune system is attacking it’s own body is the fecking definition of an allergic reaction.Report
To be clearer, when I phoned this into the Doc he treated it like it was a BIG deal. The questions he kept asking where about whether I was starting to have problems breathing, and his instructions where on how to deal with that.
People die from this… although in my case it showed no signs of spreading to my lungs. I could have ignored it for days and I expect I’d have been where that guy was.
The good news is massive, full body rashes from the immune system running amok are treatable with state-of-the-art 1970’s medicine, so it’s really cheap.Report
Please link to “2-3k dead children” rather than “one guy got a rash” with lots of clickbait title spin.Report
This entire exchange is a good example of the conspiracist mindset.
There is the discarding of authority like the CDC and NHA, combined with the credulous appeal to some other authority (the New York Post).
We can’t trust the government authorities, they are lying to us.
But the New York Post tabloid? You betcha, that’s the straight scoop right there!
This is combined with the autodidact’s appeal to their own authority in tossing out technical jargon and statistics as if the speaker were an expert in the field.
This is what I was talking about on the other thread, about the collapse of faith in institutions being so dangerous for a democracy.
The quote about those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities comes to mind.Report
The “billionaires are going to space to escape the collapsing earth” narrative is one of the most visible signs of how politics can really rot people’s brains. And this is from a science journalist writing in one of the premier prestige publications.
There is no place on the surface of planet earth, save for maybe the floor of the deepest ocean trench or inside of a volcano, that is anywhere near as inhospitable to human life as outer space. It’s not even close. And climate change may be making a lot of places noticeably worse, but it’s not going to make any place on earth worse than mars. If rich people wanted to flee climate change, they would just move to New Zealand or further north in Canada.
If you just think that space exploration money would be better spent directly on climate change activism or mitigation, that is at least a coherent argument. But the same argument could be made for money spent on any area of basic research.
I won’t touch the “please read the room” framing. Telling people to hold off on making investments that have potential long-term benefits to everyone because it makes some people who don’t have as much money feel bad is Peak Millennial in a way that doesn’t even feel real. It reads like satire.Report
The problem isn’t billionaires going into space. The problem is their coming back.Report
A few days back, there was a minor kerfuffle over Kodak Black throwing $100,000 into the ocean.
I generally get the feeling that the perception is that billionaires going into space is just doing what Kodak Black did with extra steps.
If I shared that perception, I imagine that I would respond to the billionaires going into space thing the way that the intertubes responded to Kodak Black.
(Note: Kodak Black has since done stuff like “hand out air conditioning units to poor neighborhoods” so I think that someone pulled him aside and said that he looked like those billionaires going into space instead of actually helping people so… maybe he turned a new leaf?)
But the point is that billionaires going into space instead of, I dunno, buying AC units for people is something that billionaires aren’t particularly good at spinning.
And I say that as someone who looks forward to what private space exploration is going to accomplish.Report
It’s a question of opportunity cost. The vehicle is going to fly with X many people on board because it needs to have X many people on board for the flight (testing, certification, proving the concept, etc.).
The fact that one of those people is the person who funded the whole thing is largely irrelevant except as PR stunt. If the CEO wasn’t going, that seat would be filled with someone else, or perhaps with a sandbag or tank of water massing 90 kgs.
I mean, if it helps everyone sleep better, just remember that for the purposes of the flight, the billionaire CEO can easily be replaced with a human equivalent mass of inert matter.Report
Oh, I didn’t mean putting Branson on the flight too.
I meant “funding private space in the first place”.
“NASA ought to be doing this instead!” and that sort of thing. “The billionaires should be using that money to provide free false teeth to underprivileged elderly people!”Report
No, NASA shouldn’t. NASA has it’s strengths, but designing and building launch vehicles is not one of them, for the many reasons I and others have pointed out numerous times.Report
Pournelle said something to the effect of “I was delighted to have been alive for the first man to walk on the moon. I fear that I was alive for the last man to walk on the moon.”
Will the billionaires be the next ones up there?
“We found the flag. It’s been bleached. Probably by the Commies.”
Anyway, it’s not my criticism, but it is a real criticism out there asking why the billionaires are spending billions of dollars on things that cost billions of dollars instead of doing millions of things that cost thousands of dollars each.Report
That’s because those people have no idea how many thousands of dollars per kg it costs to lift a communication satellite, or a science probe, or just food for the ISS crew. Any money we spend on making the lift cheaper is money that is returned to us by making other things cheaper.
I mean, unless you see any effort to do any kind of work or science in space as a waste (and NASA is a money pit), in which case, I have no argument you’ll find acceptable.Report
And here there’s the question of whether Virgin Galactic even falls under “launch vehicles.” So far as I know, there are no plans to do more than suborbital with a flight plan that ends up back at the NM facility.Report
Back when it was still Scaled Composites, the whole thing was a proof of concept for using a carrier vehicle to reduce launch costs. What Branson is doing is (from what I hear through the grapevine, VG being a customer of ours and all) is trying to use tourism as a way to fund development of more ‘work horse’ carrier that can loft commercial payloads.
I mean, the rocket equation doesn’t have just one neat trick to avoid the requirements it computes, so any altitude, or latitude, you can gain by using a carrier is money in the bank.Report
Digging farther, they do have a separate company with a couple of successful launches to LEO. The business plan seems to be small payloads (300-400 kg max), lowish cost ($10M per launch) on short notice.Report
Short notice is a pretty big deal. Being able to get something up quick because you can shift your launch window to wherever the carrier can fly to, and be high enough that the FAA doesn’t have to create a massive exclusion zone (Musk just had to scrub a launch for that one) is a huge savings in time and cost..Report
NASA isn’t building and launching anymore:
https://www.cagw.org/thewastewatcher/private-companies-are-powering-future-aerospaceReport
Oh, I know, but there are still people who think NASA should be the only one designing and launching rockets because NASA officials aren’t billionaires looking to build and move to Elysium.
So the idea of Musk, Bezos, or Branson doing space stuff (beyond paying NASA to launch their satellites) is offensive at it’s core.Report
Our new masters disagree, sadly.
Next time you wonder why NASA sucks?
You voted for it.
NASA engineers are now running advertising companies.
Yep, that’s a DAMN good use of talent.Report
He’s fighting inflation!Report
Sinovac hasn’t been shown to be useless, far from that, as it’s being shown in South America(That’s in the middle of winter, unlike Europe or North America). In fact, I think that considering what I’m seeing in Brazil it might make sense to give Sinovac for women and Pfizer/AstraZeneca for men.Report