The Real ScamDemic
Have you ever answered a call from a number you don’t know and heard a recording telling you that you owe the IRS money, and the marshals have a warrant for your arrest? Or maybe you have simply heard about this scam, if they haven’t managed to find your phone number yet. Maybe you heard about it, but it seemed so preposterous that you thought “no way I or my loved ones fall for that crap.” That’s certainly what I thought.
My mother-in-law is 70. She normally lives alone, but has been spending the colder months of the year at my sister-in-law’s house to save money on heating bills. My sis-in-law and her husband are both teachers with a school-age child, so my mother-in-law (we’ll call her Colleen, not her real name) is alone during the day. This was not a concern, because Colleen has her faculties in order.
We thought…
And then the other day she received one of those calls. It was a number she didn’t recognize, but she answered it in case it was someone calling to tell her a COVID vaccine was available for her. Instead, she got a recording telling her she owed the IRS, was under investigation for money laundering, and that the US Marshals had a warrant for her arrest. If she wanted more information, she should press 1. She pressed one.
Piecing together details second-hand from my sister-in-law, I learned that Colleen was told the following:
She was under investigation for money laundering and drug trafficking in Texas (she has never been to Texas.) She owed a lot of money, and if it wasn’t resolved immediately, she would not get her social security next month. If she didn’t pay as much as she could right then, they’d be there to arrest her. If she hung up the phone, they’d be there to arrest her. She needed to get them the money by purchasing gift cards and giving them the numbers; she needed to go buy them immediately, but she had to stay on the phone with them the whole time, or they would be there to arrest her. No, she couldn’t talk to her daughter first; this was a confidential matter and if she told anyone, they’d be there to arrest her.
She believed all of this. She followed their directions, cleaning out the entirety of her bank account by purchasing gift cards (3 at $500 a piece at Target, and another $400 at Family Dollar, of all places) and reading the numbers off to them.
My sister-in-law, Tammy, found all this out when she got home from work yesterday afternoon and found her mom in obvious distress. She told her everything. By then, even the Target cards were emptied. And then these ruthless, pathetic, sleazebags called back. Tammy answered this time; much cursing ensued. This time the man said he was her “neighbor” — giving the name of the town where Colleen’s own house is, not where she is staying. Tammy told them to come on over. Apparently, they called back several more times through the evening, once while my husband was on the phone with his sister.
Tammy called the state police while I got in touch with my contacts at the state AG’s office. We both reached a dead end; we could file a report, but there was really nothing they could do. The small, local bank Colleen has used for 30-plus years was no help, either. She purchased those gift cards “of her own free will”, so there was nothing the bank could (or would) do to help her. Meanwhile, Colleen is still terrified the next day, convinced someone is coming for her. I’m not sure whether she still believes she is going to be arrested, or if she fears the scammers themselves.
The following day my sister-in-law had to go to work, but she came home early. Which was a good thing, because right about then, these brazen, human-shaped chunks of earth worm slime called back again. They’d had a change of heart, you see. They wanted to meet Colleen face to face and refund her money. They asked for her home address. When Tammy got on the phone and offered to meet them at the police station to sort things out, they thought better of it.
My mother-in-law is shaken and paranoid now, on top of undoubtedly feeling like a fool. Fortunately, she is only out $1900. Unfortunately, that was all the money she had. But now our whole family is left reeling, wondering if my mother-in-law at only 70 years old is already showing signs that she can’t be left on her own. None of us thought she was naïve or gullible enough to be taken by someone like this. In fact, Tammy took her to the doctor the next day, convinced something was wrong. The doctor sent her to the ER when he heard what had happened and that she was still not convinced of her safety. A full workup including MRI didn’t show any obvious neurological problems. Hard as it is to believe, she was simply conned and fell for the scam.
I called my own parents to make sure they knew better; I was sure they did, but just in case. They told me they got these calls daily and they just hung up. I was reassured, but these scammers never stop coming up with new ways to steal. I told my mom to please promise she will always call me before giving out money over the phone. She dismissed the idea that she could be fooled; she knows all about these scam calls and always hangs up. But you never know when a new scam might pop up, one she has not heard of, and she might not catch on as quickly as she might think.
I don’t know why I wrote this except to say, watch out for your elderly loved ones. We tend to still think of them as older and wiser, even though we are all grown up now. It’s hard when the tables turn, and even harder to accept that our parents, in many ways, need parented. The competent people on whom we were once totally dependent become people who can’t be trusted, left to their own devices, to look out for themselves.
Still, you may think that your parents are too savvy to be taken in, especially when the scam seems so patently ridiculous. They probably think so, too. Don’t underestimate the power of fear, though. Arrest; the threat of withheld social security checks needed for survival; the embarrassment of thinking you have unwittingly committed some crime, and having to tell your family. These walking giant bags of feces are good at what they do, and they wouldn’t do it if the scam hadn’t proven successful.
I got a scam email a while back that said that’s my web camera had been hacked and I’d been “recording doing some freaky stuff and was going to be sent to all my contacts if I didn’t send money.” Crazy thing was that I had just bought a web cam a few weeks back, so I was like…..”ahhhhh wtf?” Then I realized it was a scam.
Bastards. The nice thing was that I got about 3 of these emails and they stopped.Report
Sorry for your in-law’s loss.
You’re not done dealing with this. She’s now on a list of victims, i.e. “people who are known to be likely to fall for this sort of thing”.
They and/or others like them, will be back in a few months and a few years. And they’ll be back with more personal details and more convincing arguments because it’s worth their time to research that now.
Scammers can up their game, they just normally and deliberately make these arguments easy to see through because they don’t want to deal with anyone who isn’t susceptible.Report
Yep. Changing her phone number this week, and she is instructed not to answer any number that isn’t known to her when she is home by herself.Report
You could leave that number live and connect it to “Lenny”. 😉
“Hello, This is Lenny” is a robot designed to waste Telemarketers time. “He” (it) pretends to be a very confused old man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSoOrlh5i1kReport
Ugh. Calling them “earthworm slime” is an insult to earthworms, which actually serve a purpose in the ecosystem.
Back before I got caller ID, I would get a few calls like this. If I was fairly sure it was a person at the other end, I’d ask them: do your loved ones know you lie for a living? Do they know you are trying to scam people? I would get cursed out and hung up on but it made me feel a little better.
But yeah. Once or twice my mom – who is pretty smart and clever, but is 84 and from a less-cynical generation than mine, calls me up about “hey I got this call, do you think it could be legit in any way?” and my answer is always no. Most recently it was someone claiming her energy provider had been changed or some such and that she needed to call such and such a number to change back. I told her to look up the actual number of her energy provider and call them and tell them. Turns out it was a scam going ’round, and the people ask for bank details to set up “automatic payment” of your bills when you call. The energy provider knew all about it. (I would argue they should have included a note warning of it in the bills, but I don’t run the show)
I dunno what we can do about these people. Obviously they fear no law, it’s playing whack-a-mole to take them down. Best a person can do is not answer the phone, but as you pointed out, in the age of COVID and sloppy rollouts of vaccine, that doesn’t work either.Report
Sorry your MIL had to go through that. These scammers are scum.Report
This strikes me as one of things we have law enforcement for.
How come so many of our institutions are powerless in the face of this sort of thing?
I get inundated with scams in any given week. A phone call that tells me that my Social Security number has been hacked. A phone call that tells me that my Amazon account has been stolen. A phone call trying to reach the vehicle owner.
Apparently we’re powerless to deal with this.
At Christmas, I went into the Safeway to buy a bunch of Amazon cards instead of Christmas presents and the checker asked me if I was using them to pay off a phone scammer. I laughed and said “no, no… they’re actual presents.”
But now I realize that the checker asking me that was the line of defense between the gift card buyers and the scammers.
That’s it.Report
I do wish someone had asked her why she was buying multiple $500 gift cards, but I think she would not have been forthcoming. Not only that, but they kept her on the phone while she made the purchases and forbade her from telling anyone about the “confidential matter.”Report
It ain’t their money she’s spendin’, it ain’t goin’ to them, and they ain’t bein’ paid to care. And they certainly ain’t bein’ paid enough to get into it with some Karen, especially when you know the boss is gonna roll over for her and probably fire you (and give her the gift card for free.)Report
They are powerless because the scammers are largely foreign based. Hard to get Russian police to care about your scammed MIL.Report
Even in-country, technically trivial to establish a connection over the internet to hacked devices that can place phone calls. As I recall, the infamous “Rachel, from cardholder services” was a purely US scam that the FCC and FTC finally managed to trace.Report
“Well, how do we stop it?”
“Phone tapping to monitor conversations for keywords.”
“OH GOD NO, MUH PRIVACY, YOU JACKBOOTED THUG, YOU WILLING TOOL OF THE OPPRESSIVE STATE! ARE YOU TRULY WILLING TO GIVE REPUBLICAN RACIST HOMOPHOBES THAT MUCH POWER??!!”Report
I was more thinking “the money went from here to here and then from there to here… so we’ve stopped allowing transfers from the second place.”Report
Nah, the financial companies seem like they do pretty well with that already — as anyone who’s gone out of state and tried to make a large purchase can tell you, the credit-card companies are pretty good at spotting anomalous action — and it really seems like the way to handle this is on the phone side.
But, as I said, that would require monitoring of the actual audio stream, and privacy fetishists won’t let that happen.Report
We can’t do it against robocalls selling sketch auto warranties, though.
We can’t do it against robocalls period, it seems.Report
My cell phone has a nifty call screening feature. The thing I’ve noticed is that when I get a call from a number I don’t recognize, I let the phone screen it. Doing so defeats 90% of autodialers (they hang up before the screening is done), and the 10% that make it through are unintelligible.
But a person? A person listens and follows the instructions. It’s like a telephone CAPTCHA.Report
Yeah, I don’t get how we can’t find some way to stop this. Hey, D’s and R’s, you want a sure fire way to win elections? Go after these scumbags. They have phone numbers–to spend gift cards they have to enter the numbers somewhere, or do they go straight to the stores? It’s just mind-boggling, that everyone’s (law enforcement, retailers, etc ) like “eh, fish it.”
Retailers should have some kind of disclaimer (like the checker asking Jaybird) when buying cards online.
It’s not just the elderly falling for this. My friend’s wife had a mess at her job because another guy fell for the fake email scam (the president or CEO of your organization sends you an email asking you to buy gift cards). I think they lost about twenty grand.Report
I just laughed when I got that one. But here’s the one that got me wigged out a bit: I answer the phone (an unknown number) and a voice wails at me, “Dad! I’ve been in a wreck!”.
It was arresting, it was engaging. And yet, the voice didn’t quite sound like one of my daughters. In fact, it sounded male. So I replied, “That’s terrible! Who is this?” At the least, I needed to know which daughter.
The voice continued with a bit more, “I was in a wreck and there’s a mess everywhere” and sobbing. I say, because I’m sure now, “I am not your father”. Hang up.
It was unsettling. I still don’t know if was a misdial or a scam.
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Yeah, these phone scams can really hook you, if they hit the right fears.Report
“Child/grandchild in Mortal Peril” was a common scam a couple years back.
I remember one day I was waiting for my lab class to begin, and one of my students (who was also waiting in the student lounge near the lab) had his phone ring, and he answered it, looked puzzled, and said “Grandma, I’m on campus. I’m waiting for soils lab!”
turns out she had got the “grandchild in jail in Mexico” scam call and decided to try his cell number – and as a result found out it was a scam. (She didn’t send money so she didn’t fall for it). But those people are scum, preying on people who (a) still generally trust other people (unlike me, who has a heart as black as coal and twice as cold) and (b) may not HAVE much money, so if they’re scammed out of some, it’s even worse.Report
My grandfather called me at work to verify I was not, in fact, in a jail in Florida.
In his defense, the scammer managed to pick a correct first name for a grandchild.Report
My wife and I went to a Mentalist Show. He “knew” stuff. Names of relatives. Places of vacations. Pets.
My wife asked me later how that could be and I answered “Face Book”. We’d put our names on pieces of paper. If he couldn’t find anything then he wouldn’t pick that person.
This isn’t “knowing everything about everyone”, but it does let you pass a basic sanity filter.Report
I compare that to South Park’s take on Cold Reading and I find myself vaguely disgusted.
There’s not even any craft to using Facebook.Report
I remember an Accidental Friend back in college who was very excited about mystical/occult stuff, and he convinced me to let him do a Tarot reading, and it was very interesting seeing him pull together my vague “yeah I guess” responses into a coherent narrative. If I’d wanted to believe, then I could certainly have found in the reading enough self-consistent information and logical reasoning to hang a plan onto.
The interesting part, to me, was seeing how he bought into it. It didn’t occur to him what he was doing; he genuinely thought it was The Spirits Speaking.Report
We were just talking about this over dinner… the next phase might be a deep-fake video emailed to G’ma… a gun pointed to the head with a phone in the kid’s hand holding a message: DO NOT CALL ME.
Besides the confidence tricks plus personal data, it’s about exploiting a generational technology understanding gap.Report
I am so sorry for your mother-in-law. Who among us can say our fears cannot be played upon? But taking her for medical checks only reduces her further. You say she is paranoid? Wouldn’t you be, if this single episode were treated by your loved ones as a sign of incompetence? How many 20-somethings have lost more money than they have in Robinhood? How many more will lose it all in Bitcoin? (How many will Elon Musk take down?) We all live in an age of fear and greed. The family should apologize to this human being, instead of diminishing her further.Report
“You must have *THIS* many opinions before riding on the ride.”Report
The doctor advised to bring her in because there could have been a neurological reason for her susceptibility. Not only did he want to see her, but he then sent her to the ER after assessing her. I appreciate the finger wag, but I’ll go with our family’s and the doctor’s instincts over the lecturing Internet stranger.Report
eh. He ain’t wrong? I’ll bet she thinks twice about telling you the next time she does something stupid.Report
Nah.Report
These scams do not just come after the elderly via cell phones. A few years ago, scammers tried to imitate my boss at a law firm and get an associate to go out and buy lots of Itunes or Amazon gift cards and then send the money. Apparently law firms are frequent targets of scams because they get files via drop box links left and right. The thing the scammers realized is that people pay attention to the name on the e-mail address but not the actual email address.Report
I’m old enough that I remember my graduate advisor getting a version of the “Nigerian Prince” scam via an AIR MAIL letter – on the flimsy blue paper and all.
He speculated aloud to the lab whether it could be true, if he actually had money coming to him and I was like “IT’S A TRAP!!!” because my dad (same university) had received a similar letter a few weeks back and commented on how it seemed like a lot of effort to try to defraud people.
I’ve gotten the “I’m stuck in a meeting and have to buy a gift card for (relative)” e-mail alleging to be from my department chair, which made me go “ha ha, as if I would do that for them” (and “ha ha, as if they’d ask me that”)
there’s no shortage of scammers out there and I guess the scams work often enough to make it worth continuing themReport
The whole “Pay via gift card” is the modern version of wiring money via Western Union or by Money Order. I suspect the next step is that gift cards will start employing tracking data. I eagerly await the day when “the IRS needs me to pay my tax bill in BitCoin or the Marshalls will arrest me!”
Scam artists encourage the development of ways to trace money far more than law enforcement and tax man desires do.Report
Yeah, we had those at our campus from the department chair and the president of the university. I don’t think anyone fell for them.Report
Sorry your MIL had to suffer that.
About a month ago my recently graduated daughter (23) got a call from folks telling her that they were on their way over to arrest her for money laundering — not her money laundering, but money laundering that other bad guys had done in her name, so a sort of ID theft that she would be responsible for — they had just enough personal info to make it sound almost plausible.
By pure coincidence we’d had a discussion on her last visit about talking to law enforcement and getting arrested; I’d seen a youtube thing with a public defender and a cop about how simply saying anything without a lawyer present is a terrible idea. (Said here at OT as well) Interestingly one of the things the Cop said was an effective technique was to let the target have the idea that they could negotiate their way out of an arrest… said they would often give up all sorts of info just in that hope. The cop also reiterated that if there’s an arrest warrant… they are going to arrest you. So shut up and get arrested.
Coincidental and fortuitous that I’d had that conversation with her and used that exact phrase: If you’re going to get arrested, it will ruin your day, but just shut up, get arrested and call your lawyer. So when the scammers called, she told them she wouldn’t talk without a lawyer and if they were going to arrest her, then come on over.
She called me after hanging-up absolutely certain she was about to be arrested and wanted to know the number of the lawyer she should have ready. I told her she handled it perfectly, and good news… she wasn’t going to be arrested. It took her a couple hours at work before she stopped looking over her shoulder for flashing lights.
It got me thinking that future scammers will probably trick me by combining a technology new technology I don’t fully understand plus the old fashioned con-artist tricks. I’m mentally steeling myself to resist the IRS Holograms that my BostonRobotics Dog will beam to me evoking fading memories of R2D2 and the need to heed their call.Report
A few years ago I got a letter from “a lawyer ” saying that I’d inherited some money from a name I’d never heard of, and asking me to contact him. Of course I threw it away. After a week or so I got more or less the same letter, saying please help us wind up the estate. Now I was curious enough yo send a response, wondering what the next step of the scam would be.
It was sending me a family tree and a check for about a thousand dollars. There really was a distant cousin who had died without a will or direct heirs, and according to the formula the UK uses in such situations that was my share.Report
My grandmother got called by a scam-caller once who just straight-up said “I’m with the credit collection bureau, you owe four hundred dollars, give me your credit card number please”, and she did it.
She said later “when I got out my card I wondered whether this was really okay, but I figured, better safe than sorry!”Report
I think a big part of it is people who grew up when telephone calls were expensive, and long-distance calls incredibly expensive, so much so that no “call everyone in the United States” scam could possibly pay off. So they honestly do believe that whenever someone calls you on the phone, it’s A) really important and has to be answered right away, and B) whatever they say is true.Report
My kid, the first year he paid taxes, got an IRS scam call.
He called me up and said “I’m like 99% certain this is a scam but….”.
My advice was the same as it’s always been. First, if you actually owe money/tickets/fines/whatever they will contact you by mail. Second, they will never ask you to pay in gift cards or bitcoin. Third, anyone calling about anything will have specifics. Calls about “the warranty on your car” are scams. People actually calling about your car will know the year, make and model at the very least.Report
Also I’m pretty sure than any call about a serious matter is not going to open with a canned message and a request to press a number to speak to a person.Report
i was once super bored and let a scammer waste about 40 minutes trying to get my Apple password out of me.
He was super, super unhappy about that. I think it was when I finally said “Wait, this is a Linux machine, does that make a difference?” after the 30th attempt to walk me through resetting my Apple ID and password when he started dropping obscenities and hung up. He seemed super mad that I was costing him money by not being scammed.
These days I just answer the phone and stay silent, as real people will actually say things like “Um, hello?” whereas the robocalls will just….do nothing if no sounds are made, then hang up.Report
Yeah my husband once answered the call and gave a scammer a piece of his mind against my advice. It was a mistake since the scammer flagged his number as “live” and he was absolutely deluged with spam calls. I stick to hanging up and blocking.Report
It’s like having the Stranger Danger talk with your kids.Report
The IRS will also have a defined amount of money that they want, i.e. to the penny.Report
They will, in my experience, send a threatening letter telling *you* to contact *them*.
What they will also do, in my experience, is reason “Two years ago, they took a deduction for a kids named Alex with a valid SSN. Last year, they took a deduction for a kids named Alex with the same valid SSN. This year, they took a deduction for a kids named Alex with an invalid SSN, which is the valid SSN with two numbers transposed. Obviously they’ve become criminals.”Report
Once in a while, the scammers get caught.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/2-arrested-900k-in-electronics-and-gift-cards-seized-in-well-organized-nationwide-phone-scamReport
It says something that honest people are so afraid of the zealotry and indifference of LE & the CJ system that they can be scammed so.Report
“It says something that honest people are so afraid of the zealotry and indifference of LE & the CJ system that they can be scammed so.”
Turned around: it says something that people have such faith in the incorruptibility of the American law-enforcement and criminal-justice system that they don’t think you could just give the cop a twenty and he’ll say “couldn’t find the dude”…Report
No, actually, I don’t think it can be turned around like that at all.Report