Things I Learned From Binging Siskel And Ebert

Luis A. Mendez

Boricua. Floridian. Theist. Writer. Podcaster. Film Critic. Oscars Predictor. Occasional Psephologist. Member Of The Critics Association Of Central Florida, The International Film Society Critics, And The Puerto Rico Critics Association.

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  1. The great thing about Pig in the City is that it starts out with this classic comedy bit, but with up and down reversed.

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  2. DensityDuck says:

    And for a lot of kids, Siskel And Ebert was the only way to learn anything about R-rated films (or about films that weren’t cartoons-and-Disney kid stuff.)

    It’s like how someone on Tumblr pointed out that for decades, the only real archive of plot summaries for movies was MAD Magazine parodies of them! Mort Drucker and Jack Davis were probably as influential in film criticism as Siskel and Ebert…Report

  3. Pinky says:

    I’ve watched some Siskel and Ebert recently, and what’s struck me the most is their ethical code. Luiz says here that movies are subjective, but I don’t think Siskel and Ebert would have fully agreed. They would criticize well-crafted movies if they lacked substance or humanity. Reservoir Dogs is one example, and maybe Apocalypse Now fits that category too. We each have our own tastes, but the old school of reviewers had standards for what a film should be. That made them better reviewers, because you knew what they expected. It gave them consistency.

    One other point. Since they were so prominent, they knew that their endorsement could give a smaller movie a better chance for public notice. Some reviewers fall into a bias against popular films, but I think with those two it was a sense of responsibility that encouraged them to champion lesser-known movies.Report

  4. Jaybird says:

    The main thing that I learned from Siskel and Ebert was the whole “critics aren’t like us” thing. When I was a kid, I might see 4 movies a year in the theater. I saw the movies that showed up on HBO or the ones that were diced up and recut and shown on CBS or TBS.

    Their shows would do around 3 or 4 movies a show and every other show did some little quiet arthouse movie that, seriously, didn’t play anywhere *NEAR* where I lived. (Maybe it played in Detroit or Windsor but that was just not going to happen.)

    And they kept saying that the crap that I liked was crap (perhaps enjoyable crap, but crap) but the good movies were the ones that only played in big, big cities. As I got older, I realized that if you saw 50 movies a year, you’d be a lot more able to rank them from good to bad than if you’d only see, like, 4. And if you saw 50 hollywood movies a year, you’d see maybe only 10-12 plots. You’d see only 12-15 characters. You’d only see 10-12 really good speeches.

    And, yeah, of *COURSE* critics would enjoy the novel, the wacky, the stuff that came out of nowhere. Something like Aliens was Yet Another Gory Action Adventure film. Why shouldn’t you see it similarly to Schwarzenegger’s Raw Deal or Stallone’s Cobra? People with guns, people making speeches about guns, people giving snappy one liners before shooting other people… they taught me the inability of the critic to tell the difference between gold and fools’ gold, the inability to tell the difference between a great movie and a period piece that hit at the exact right moment… And the realization that the critics who become the most popular among the masses are the ones best able to say “hey, masses, you’ll love this period piece!” rather than the ones who are good at picking out the ones that will stand the test of time.

    But if it is the current year, why not enjoy a movie that perfectly captures the zeitgeist? The good critics are the ones who will tell you what the best movie of 1975 was from where he sat in 1975. Antonia: A Portrait Of The Woman, it is! Oh, it’s about a conductor fighting sexism? Oh. Okay. I guess. Maybe we can hear speeches about the ERA.Report

    • Pinky in reply to Jaybird says:

      There are two camps of movie reviewers, the Entertainment Tonight crowd and the contrarians. The funny thing is, when both groups agree that a movie is good, I’ll frequently hate it. But at least it tells you something when the first group likes something more obscure or the second group signs off on a blockbuster. And it’s always telling when the mainstream critics back away from something like The Eternals.

      I watch a lot of RedLetterMedia . They have different tastes, but you can tell they’ll praise something outside their preferences if they think it’s worthwhile. I also credit them for teaching me the little that I know about the technical issues of filmmaking.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Pinky says:

        Yeah, RedLetterMedia does a very good job of letting me know why I shouldn’t see a movie. I’ve not seen any of the movies they’ve told me to see (e.g., Nicolas Cage in that pig movie) but I think that they are my current Siskel/Ebert.

        They watch the big blockbusters, they explain why the big blockbusters sucked, and throw a bunch of jokes in there too. What more could you want as a consumer who no longer has time for big blockbusters?

        Part of me wonders “why aren’t they brought in as consultants for a script here or there?” but I remember Ebert co-wrote Beyond the Valley of the Dolls and think “oh, yeah.” Having a discerning palate does not necessarily mean that you will be a good cook.Report

  5. Kolohe says:

    “Obviously Siskel And Ebert was nothing groundbreaking,”

    would respectfully disagree a bit. Sure, by 1998 they had been on the air (between this and Sneak Previews) for over twenty years, but they started this genre. (unless you count Gene Shalit, doing it with much shorter segments on the Today Show, per wikipedia started two years earlier). (it’s also unclear when local tv personalities, like Arch Campbell started doing their segments, but from personal memory, were certainly in full swing by the early 1980s)

    edit – should have read the entire post before commenting, but where’s the fun in that?Report

  6. Oscar Gordon says:

    I’m old enough to remember watching Sneak Previews on PBS (not in syndication).Report

  7. North says:

    I didn’t really have access to cable TV until the turn of the century and Canadian rural TV simply didn’t feature these two. That said I became aware of Ebert specifically because that fisher can WRITE and his written reviews were fishing spectacular.Report

  8. After S&E left PBS, they were replaced by Neal Gabler and Jeffrey Lyons, who also started off by disliking each other, but as time went on their mutual distaste ripened into outright hatred. Gabler was eventually replaced by Michael Medved, who hadn’t yed turned into Rush Limbaugh light.Report

  9. Burt Likko says:

    I particularly enjoy the story of Roger Ebert’s review of Vincent Gallo’s The Brown Bunny. It’s at once a very funny initial review panning the film, and then a remarkable story of how, despite hard feelings, both a man’s mind and a movie’s merits can change.Report

  10. DrSloperWazRobbed says:

    A nice memorial to them all thanks. I’m not a huge movie buff but I do like good movies and I often really enjoyed reading Ebert’s own review if I myself really found a movie to be very good. He had an interesting way of wearing his heart on his sleeve. When he died I realized he was the first celeb whose death actually meant something to me: no movie from then on could be reviewed by him. A great loss.Report

  11. Rufus F. says:

    I remember first hearing about them because of a notorious review Siskel gave of Friday the 13th where he gave away the ending and offered addresses for readers to complain about the film to the producers and the stars. Some of their reviews were surprising and some seemed wrongheaded. The one I remember distinctly was actually Martin Scorsese’s guest hosting one year for the “best of” episode, along with Ebert. One of his best films that year was the Exorcist II, which almost nobody likes. But I still want to understand where Scorsese was coming from on that one.Report

  12. John Puccio says:

    I grew up watching S&E on Saturday mornings. I loved the annual best pictures of the year show – iirc they called it “If We Picked the Oscars”.. I imagine they had a better track record than the Academy in documenting which films would stand the test of time better. Reading the list of Best Picture winners through the decades is a great exercise in WTF were they thinking.

    That said, it’s just as well that S or E are no longer with us, because having to review a Marvel or DC movie every single week would be the death of them both.Report

  13. How many S&E episodes are available? How do you access them?Report