The Debate, Or Whatever That Was, And That Old Familiar Feeling
It took me a bit, but I finally pinned down that feeling I had watching the debate last night.
An old feeling, a strong déjà vu thing where it bothers you until you figure out which compartment of memory it comes from. But the broken tumblers and worn gears of my semi-functional mind finally clicked into place and there I was, back nearly twenty years ago, and that old feeling was strong and gripping and visceral again. I’m breathing in cold German air, invigoratingly crisp. Oh, hey fighting trim self, dang have I missed you with my current version that is some 50 pounds less and nowhere near as healthy. It’s the middle of the night, or morning, or that place enough between that no one really cares what time it is for decent folks sleeping soundly in their beds somewhere else. It’s a different world, though at the time all the world I knew. It’s all familiar, comfortable, oddly pleasant.
And then again, just as it did then, the water truck goes screaming by, redlined engine plowing it in reverse through a tight turn because the operator was being dragged along the inside of said curve, body on the pavement and hand desperately clinging to the steering wheel. A clinging that while probably saving his life also kept the vehicle on its circular course, until on its third evolution it finally slammed and stopped against the landing gear of the L-1011 it was supposed to be servicing. The 50 feet of hose line having long since reached its limit, the panel it had been connected to came to a skittering halt alongside, ripped from the aircraft and dragged behind like an escaped dog, its leash hanging off its collar, finally conceding to being captured. Hundreds of gallons of water pouring from aircraft and truck spread everywhere. The disembarking troops peering from windows and the jetway were now laughing and finding the whole thing funny, a tension break and respite in their otherwise long trip to being forward deployed. The whole tableau of failure leaving only famine, and — blessedly — death the only missing horseman of that night’s apocalypse.
What had happened was, I explained to a very displeased Chief, Name Withheld skippy got lazy, draped his arm over the column of the truck with his left arm to reach under the dash to pull the hand throttle with his right. Thus, in an epic moment of unintentional coordination, this genius managed to rev and lock the engine on full tilt boogie at the same time as the weight of himself leaning across the column put the old Ford in reverse. Chief demanded the name, which I gave along with pointing to where he was talking to the investigators. “Ah, of course.” Chief rolled not only his eyes but his entire head, no easy feat for a man with a fire hydrant-like neck. “His true self finally metastasized. It all makes sense now.”
We could have just listened to Maya Angelou, but believing folks the first time doesn’t fill content requirements, so analyzing the obvious until it is clear as mud it is. So, we get what we heard last night, which is the way President Trump wants it. Well, he got it. 1
Over the last few weeks, too many of the major news stories involving the president start with the faulty premise that most folks don’t know anything about President Trump. The news cycle of late is festooned with more chyrons and talking heads deploying more “bombshells” than the Nevada Test and Training Range. Honesty, however, requires admission that for the most part each of those were just spins on things that, if someone didn’t know in specific facts, should have at least known from each new screaming headline was in the realm of possibility. Donald Trump had almost 70 years of book on him when he ran for president with all the information you needed to know about him. Those foolish folks who talked about him “growing into the presidency” or “moderating” or “learning his lesson” were doomed to look silly. Donald Trump is many things, but an unknown enigma is not one of them. It’s all there, in the open, often brazenly so.
What we now have before us is the distilling of President Donald J. Trump to his purer, concentrated form. Going into the debate, the question wasn’t what tactic the president was going to use, but how much and how hard he would use it. As it turned out, the president came in cranked to 11 and never let up. Joe Biden, another septuagenarian who has been in public office for almost 50 years, was exactly what the extensive book we have on him told us. The former vice president can connect and emote on a personal level, he has many issues surrounded from having been on different sides of them over the years, he can misrepresent and lie with the ease a life in politics brings to such things, and his demeanor and personality still give him plenty of passes on the bad while accentuating his better qualities.
But in practicality, in not being Donald Trump and not losing complete control of his bearing and temper, Joe Biden was mostly there as a relief. Not in a political sense, though his supporters no doubt feel that way, but in an art sense. Like when an artist or sculptor uses a raised material to give a 3D effect, to elevate something even though it is of the same background material. Joe Biden is normal, comfortable, run-of-the-mill politics, as if the always polling well “generic democrat” was made flesh and dwelled among us. His level of semi-competence of always being in positions of power but not actually affecting the flow of history all that much is par for the American political course. A man who has always been around big events, but the story of those events can easily be told without mentioning him. Joe Biden plays the game well, and he’s just this ingrained piece of American political landscape. He’s politics as it was for so long, with acceptable levels of milquetoast, semi-competence, and corruption as long as your buzzwords are delivered well and you make the right connections and the right people from your side think they are getting what they want. We are used to Joe, we’ve had many before him, the US Senate he served in is full of similar folks, and we will have many after him.
Joe Biden being himself stands in contrast to President Trump. Like with Hillary Clinton in the 2016 campaign, the material is basically the same: the ambition, the questionable business dealings, the ability to grind your adversary’s teeth down to nubs just by the mention of the name. The method and the dislike of the known quantity had the president sticking out, and not just to supporters of the soon-to-be president but the critical number of folks who stayed home, some who normally would have went for a Democratic Party candidate. The president’s supporters love the relief, love that “he fights”, love that he is unrelenting and unpredictable in attacking anyone and everyone not fully on board the Trump Train.
But with Joe Biden, it isn’t working. Maybe we are in for an historic, epic fail in polling data, but short of that the metrics of the race have not moved much. Biden, by any measure, is the favorite to win, a remarkable thing in and of itself considering history. Fair or not, Joe Biden is just not loathed the way Hillary Clinton was in many circles, and the personal attacks on Biden and his family quickly land as cringy and over the line when President Trump really tries to bore in on them. The president going so hard and so loudly drowns out Biden’s own failings, such as his utterly contemptible “Whatever position I take in that, that’ll become the issue” when pressed on Supreme Court packing and other uneven moments. Every presidency has a fatigue that sets in with it, and perhaps with his style of flame throwing everything for any reason that moment has just come sooner for President Trump than it normally does.
The basic takeaway of this debate was not policy, or programs, or anything other than the optics: The President unloaded on Joe Biden, did not wound him in a significant way, and hurt himself and his own standing in the process. A bad result only 30-odd days out from an election. The president is not done yet, anything can happen, but last night shows us the president not only has no new strategy or idea of what to do about it, but is going to ride the horse that brought him right into the ground no matter what. Trump will go out the way he came, being Donald J. Trump in all its bombastic, gold plated glory.
But you should not be surprised, any more than all the “bombshell” news stories we will be subjected to for the rest of the campaign, by an if not a traditional “October surprise” at least the attention and clicks of one. That’s why that feeling hit me, of watching a water truck running backwards dragging its operator along the ground as he desperately tried to hang on that night in Frankfurt almost two decades ago now. The roar of engines, the screams of desperation, the cacophony of a crash, the massive mess of men, water, and destruction that will need cleaning up afterward while half the folks point and laugh and the other half try to figure out how the hell such a thing happened in the first place.
Oh yes. I know that feeling, I’ve felt it before watching Name Withheld doing his Wile E Coyote act that miraculously didn’t kill anyone but one L-1011 water servicing panel, an aircraft tire, and his own career. And I felt it again last night; it just took me a minute to remember, is all. That initial horror that something is happening, then realizing who the players involved are, and finding some semblance of peace in knowing that this was how it was going to go down, because that’s just the way it had to be with those involved. That sound, as it turns out, was inevitability after all. Four years of redlining was going to break loose at some point, and though it wasn’t all his fault and probably an impossible task, Chris Wallace was left hanging on to the steering wheel of a runaway wreck until elapsed time finally called a halt to the hot mess.
The President went to the debate last night and not only told everyone once again who he was, but demanded everyone know. If you didn’t already, you should believe him this time, because by the end of this campaign with nothing left to lose, he will have fully metastasized to his true self. Dominating is winning to the President, it was his plan going in, and he dominated the debate. For him it was win, regardless what happens next, or the fallout, or how it looks.
It’s up to you how you feel about that, or whether or not this president is worth it for whatever cause you hold dear, and it’s your right to vote on it how you see fit. Just don’t say you weren’t told. President Trump did not give you that option.
- This is of course a rip of the famous “failure to communicate” scene from Cool Hand Luke
Yep. Donald John Trump has no depth. He plays no 3 D chess. He’s a bombastic blowhard bully. He was last night. He was when he was elected. 27% of voters loved it enough to vote for him in all the right geographic places last time.
Joe Biden is also distilled to his truest self. He can’t imagine a world in which a blowhard bully becomes President, and despite his immense emotional strength as a person, he can’t figure out how to stand up to the bully because he can’t grasp the bully. Like too many Democrats he’s fighting the last war, not the war he’s actually in.Report
I didn’t need to watch the debate to know it was going to be that way.
And I didn’t bother watching the debate because I knew it would in no way present me with information I did not have already.Report
We have all sat through meetings with the asshole who knows little but insists on talking over everyone. The problem with such people is that it is more important to them that they win than that the project succeed. I’m sure there are lots of people who thought of Trump’s performance last night as an example of strong, forceful leadership.Report
These are the people who thought Biff Tannen was the hero of Back To The Future.Report
These are the people who enable the Peter PrincipleReport
Sometimes I think the biggest reason the political establishment and media struggle so much with Trump is lack of time spent in little corporate meetings and board rooms. There was a Matt Taibbi essay touching on this a couple weeks ago I thought was insightful.
In case anyone is interested:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/tape-shows-ethically-cnn-chief-aReport
Years ago I had a boss like that. No matter what you said, he did it bigger, better, and larger. I always thought that was a sign that he had no idea what was going on. Well, I eventually had his job and realized that I was the one who didn’t understand what the job entailed and that I had mistaken A-holish behavior for incompetence. When the reality was he was quite competent in things I didn’t initially know, while still being an A-hole.
ETA; its the sales-management-engineer problem. Everyone in that triangle thinks they have all the answers, but it takes all three to deliver a quality product, on time, that people want to buy.Report
We, as a society, tend to mistake A-hole behavior for competence an awful lot*. So you weren’t necessarily wrong for using that stereotype (that A-holes are incompetent and use their behavior as a cover), because there is a lot of truth to it.
*With the reality being that the people under them are very competent, but so afraid or beaten down so much by the A-hole that they cover the gaps, with the credit going to A-hole (who never shares the credit).Report
Point of order – this is a fairly common problem in government too. And we lack the profit motive to drive it.Report
Well done, I think you put your finger on it.Report
I really liked the story about the water truck, and the piece overall.
I totally get what you mean about “true self”, even though I don’t believe such a thing exists. People have habits, though. And sometimes they refuse to give up those habits and change, even when the habits are bad for them. Even when it’s obvious.Report
If you have a bad habit that is obviously bad, and causes you problems, and you refuse to change that habit(s), how is that not a reflection of your true self?Report
In this case the President doesn’t see his habits as causing problems for himself and thus not bad. And he’s never been shy about his true self.Report
And sometimes people eventually do confront and change the bad habit. Even after years, or decades. It often takes “hitting rock bottom”, and the hope is that rock bottom doesn’t kill them.
This is a thing that happens to lots of people, including people I love, and I prefer to leave that avenue open.Report
That just says that the true self is not fixed, which is obvious.
The true self is what you have when all care and pretense is stripped away. For the gent in the story (I’ve known guys like this back in the Navy), his lazy and careless habits finally caught up to him.
That doesn’t mean that he can’t decide to actively work to change those habits and alter his true self.Report
I don’t know if this is what Doctor Jay meant, but I’ve noticed a lot of people talking about becoming “your best self” or “your worst self”. I’ve been awful in about a dozen different ways, some of them contradictory. I think I was terrible three different ways this morning. Likewise with respect to virtue. In matters of talent, I have a few that I’ve tried to develop, but I could have gone several different ways with them.
I don’t think one’s “true self” is like a Gumby toy that returns to its normal shape at rest. It’s more like a lump of clay that each of us is constantly molding.
ETA: If yesterday’s debate helped voters to clarify their image of both (actually, all three) people, should it be considered a success?Report
Like I said, the true self is not fixed, but it also doesn’t change quickly once past adolescence, and certainly not without effort.
But we can put up a facade that alters the appearance of who we really are at a given point in time. Saying that “His true self finally metastasized.” is merely a way of saying that the facade has fallen away.
For Trump, there was never really much of a facade to begin with.Report
I’m not saying that Trump isn’t an asshole, because that would be foolish, but I think thy level of assholery was a tactic to try to provoke a wring reaction from Biden. It also forced Wallace into needing to actively shut Trump down, so Trump could later claim bias. (This is now the party line.)Report
Trump: I’m going to be a complete bastard to every media figure that does not bury their nose so far up my ass they can see the back of my teeth.
Also Trump: Everyone in the media hates me! It’s bias against me!Report
Gallup: Americans distrustful of media.
Percentage of Americans who have a “great deal of trust” in the media in 2020:
Republicans: 3%
Independents: 6%
Democrats: 16%
“A fair amount of trust”
Republicans: 7%
Independents: 30%
Democrats: 57%
“Not very much”
Republicans: 31%
Independents: 29%
Democrats: 21%
“None at all”
Republicans: 58%
Independents: 35%
Democrats: 6%
And the trust trend is down, down, down.
The divergence opened under Bush, then wildly accelerated when Trump decided to run and the media went full-bore partisan, arguing that the stakes were too high to remain neutral. People noticed that the anchors and reporters had become mindless shills.
The media did this entirely to themselves.Report
Pretty sure that Trump had media figures friendly to him at the start of his term, but he shat all over those who were friendly.
I mean, there is a difference in saying, “I was nothing but decent and respectful to the WH Press Corps and mainstream media figures, yet they remain biased against me.”; and actively and gleefully attacking the media like it’s a pinata, then complaining about the bias.Report
Any President who calls the media enemies of the state should expect to see them try to tank him. If his supporters don’t grok that I have little help or hope for them.Report
He was calling them enemies of the state because that’s how they started acting as soon as the state wasn’t Obama.
Prior to that, they were just the propaganda arm of the DNC. This has been going on for a long, long time, and vastly predates Trump.Report
Trump is not the state. He’s a cowardly, narcissistic bully. But he’s not the state.
But good to know you support authoritarianism and its arrival on our shores.Report
Very true. Trump is not the state. The “state” is apparently the deep state, the Democrats in the highest reaches of government who tried to rig the 2016 election, with help from Russian intelligence and directed from the Oval Office, and the media who gleefully helped them.Report
Anyone who speaks of “the media”, as if Fox News and MSNBC are the same shouldn’t be taken seriously.Report
From the Debate Commission this morning:
I suspect there aren’t going to be any more debates this year.Report
They should wheel Trump in Hannibal Lecter style with a muzzle. His supporters would love it ans Biden could talk for 30 straight seconds.Report
“I suspect there aren’t going to be any more debates this year.”
If this turns out to be correct, and taking Marchmains interpretations of his wife’s thoughts, I will revise my opinion and say that Trump won the debate.Report
I could see that going either way. To the extent the performances are embarrassing getting out of them is a win. However to the extent they pump up his fan base via high profile thumbing of his nose, ‘saying things that need to be said’, it could be a loss.Report
One of the things that kept going through my mind in ’16 was that the media no longer knew what the real messaging was, and that was the reason that they missed so much. That idea is getting stronger by the day.
Because if Trump was just fishing for sound bites and dank memes, along with feeding his followers anger, he won hands down. Biden got none of that. Which leaves us wondering if that is the currency of the day.Report
You certainly can’t discount that possibility. I think anyone on team D treating a Biden win as a foregone conclusion is tempting fate. But he also isn’t up against HRC and all her baggage this time. The schtick was enough to beat her (not to mention the vampires in the 2016 GOP primary) but even winners make halftime adjustments, and I’m not seeing any.
More importantly he owns things in a way he didn’t before. My opinion is the odds are still against him for normie reasons that no meme or soundbyte pwn is going to address. Just a few weeks and we will see.Report
I think the President did what he set out to do – display his bullying, fighting strongman for his base. He’s apparently thrilled about his performance, though even Fox News is trying to get him to do something differently next time. Is that a “win?” Yeah for him and his base it probably is. For the nation – not so much.Report
Chris Wallace didn’t bring an ounce of professionalism. He stoked what was going on, then shut Trump down 35 times for interrupting, never shut Biden down for interrupting, but repeatedly saved Biden by “moving on to a different subject” whenever Biden was at a total loss or going off the rails.
Babylon Bee: Chris Wallace mods debate while wearing giant foam Biden 2020 finger
Another common take, even from Trump, was that Trump was debating Chris Wallace, and Joe Biden was just a bystander. Heck, just watch Trump and Wallace go round and round on climate change. Wallace apparently thought he was there to do a hard-hitting Trump interview.
Lester Hold or Brett Baier would never have done anything like that.Report
Does anyone really believe that a vote for Biden actually means he’ll server more than a token period before he has to leave office? I don’t. I think a vote for Biden is a vote for his running mate for pres.Report
I listened to the first half on the radio and the 2nd half sporadically. I have never heard either of them talk before.
Both of them came off as a lot higher functioning than I was expecting. I didn’t see any reason to think diminished capacity in either. They had a basic grasp of what was going on, their roles in it, comprehension of individual questions. Both did the normal politician thing of ignoring things they didn’t like and putting a lot of spin on other things.
Trump certainly has issues with boundaries and playing nice and sharing time, but that seemed more of a style thing than anything else. I.e. yes, he’s a combative verbal bully and ass. I was already ignoring the utter lack of decorum that he brings to everything so whatever.
For Biden… there were a lot more non-answers than answers. He doesn’t want to tie himself down to anything specific because specific things are reasons for specific people to vote against him. Without Covid I don’t think there’s a chance he would win.
For Trump… I was surprised at how good he is at this. My impression is that he was better during the first half than the second and the mod wrapped him on the knuckles several times then so maybe I missed the worst of the worst.Report
He might not be as good as you think he is. He wasn’t called a crack head in Frank Luntz focus group in 2016: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/voters-luntz-focus-group-describe-trumps-debate-performance-crackhead-un-american-unhinged.htmlReport
I sure George and others will soon tell us why Luntz is really a commie leftist in disguise, since No Real American would think the things he reports voters think.Report
I would change Michael Cain’s description to blowhard in the bar. As far as I can tell, most people seem to think Biden did as well as he could under the circumstances and reacted to Trump adverserly. Claimants to the otherwise are hardcore partisans, Proud Boys chomping at the bit to become Freikorps, and the bad faith, miscreant trolls who enable them because “eww Democrats and liberals are icky. 4chan 4eva”
But even if Trump loses, there are plenty of Americans who seem to exist in permanent blowhard in the bar mode, always ready to explode like Lee J. Cobb’s character from 12 Angry Men, and seemingly filled with never ending resentment after resentment.Report
https://www.vox.com/2020/9/30/21494864/who-won-debate-trump-biden-pollsReport
I think I understand now. Not why it works, but how it works. The first debate, Trump says every possible thing. Everything. Over the next week, he sees how each thing plays: with the press, with his audiences, with his opponents. By the second and third debates, he’s down to about five things he says and says and says. He’ll be just as crazy, but he’ll be tighter. The press will go off on their tangents, and they’ll all conclude he lost every one of them and in unrelated news (because how could it be related?) he’s still losing but polling tighter. I hate his style, and maybe he won’t be able to repeat it, but this feels exactly where we’ve been before. Maybe it’s a Dada-esque variant on contract negotiation. First session, concede nothing, second session target what gets under the other guy’s skin, third session close.Report
Well, apparently all Trump really had to do was get Biden to go off on “white supremacists”. Now Biden and his campaign getting sued by Kyle Rittenhouse for slander and defamation for saying he was a white supremacist militiaman. Kyle is using the same lawyer who won untold millions for Nick Sandman, so remember, all your Biden donations will probably go to Kyle Rittenhouse, American hero. 🙂
So much winning!Report
And Donald and Melania have just tested positive for Covid….Report
Hope Hicks reveals herself as a deep state assassin, the turncoat scum. Couldn’t get to him through his Big Macs so they resorted to this.Report