Joker: Don’t Trust the Narrator
[Warning: this post contains major spoilers for the film “Joker.”]
I’ve finally watched “Joker,” and I still don’t know if I liked it. I do suggest one approach to interpreting it that I haven’t quite seen in any of the small number of reviews I’ve read. We can’t trust much or anything we see in the film.
The film tells the story through the eyes of the main character. He suffers psychotic hallucinations and delusions. Sometimes the hallucinations are obvious to the viewer. Take, for instance, the time when Arthury/Joker watches Robert De Niro, the late night talk show host. Arthur believes himself in the audience. He believes De Niro is talking to him, treating him almost as a father would treat a beloved son. Arthur is something special. But the viewer knows it’s a hallucination.
Sometimes, the hallucinations and delusions aren’t obvious to the viewer, and the film eventually exposes them. We see that, for example, in Arthur’s imagined romance with his neighbor. The film shows them together as if they were in a relationship. Then it becomes clear that Arthur has imagined it all. The film then gives us flashbacks to the scenes we already saw, uncovering the delusions. Whether the viewer suspected it all along (I did not), the film makes it clear what has happened.
If you saw the movie, you probably agree with what I’ve just written. But you might not agree with this: The rest of the film is just as much a portrayal of Arthur’s delusions. Or more precisely, the film mixes reality and delusion so much that it’s impossible for the viewer to know, with confidence, what is real and what is delusional. Of course, the viewer can glean some potentially “real” facts. Arthur doesn’t really have a relationship with his neighbor: that much the film tells us. Bruce Wayne’s father is murdered: that much even my limited knowledge of the Batman story tells me. But for the rest, I’m not sure we know, and I suspect the film wants us to be unsure whether we know.
Examples: Did Arthur really murder those people on the subway? My vote is, “probably,” but it’s unclear to me whether they were really acting like douchebags in the way the film portrays them and whether they were actually beating Arthur. Was Arthur really invited to appear on that talk show with De Niro and did Arthur really kill De Niro? For that matter, were there really clown riots after De Niro’s “murder”? Was Bruce Wayne’s father really as insensitive as he comes across? Was his murder a result of Joker-inspired rioting, or was it more like the quasi-random/quasi-planned thing as portrayed in “Batman Begins”? The image toward the end, when the rioters hail Arthur/Joker as some type of hero is particularly suspect. It’s the sort of adulation Arthur experienced in that earlier scene where he thought he was at the talk show.
Some of my examples might be faulty. There’s a lot about the Batman world I don’t know and maybe the story of that world establishes as “fact” (i.e., fact within the story) some of what the film portrays.
If we assume I’m right, or at least on to something, why is our inability to trust the film important? I have a few stabs at an answer:
- It heightens the viewer’s empathy for what Arthur is going through. We experience the world, almost literally, through his eyes. We feel what he feels. His observations are ours. (The proviso, of course, is, “except when we don’t.” As I pointed out, the film exposes some of the delusions.)
- It warns us against excusing something by understanding it. We should understand. But perhaps in our attempts to understand, we shouldn’t excuse that which isn’t excusable?
Of course, it’s possible I’m wrong. Maybe the film exposes delusional scenes precisely in order to delimit what is “real” and what is delusion. In other words, maybe after seeing the film, the viewer ought to know, with confidence, what really happened and what didn’t. That counterpoint in some ways seem more probable than my more radical, “we can’t really know.” But I’m tempted to say we can’t really know.
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The Secret Life Of Walter Mitty, sort of thing?Report
More like The Usual Suspects.
My problem with saying “we don’t know that anything related to us happened” is that, sure, maybe… but then there’s no story.
It leads to asking whether we know if Arthur was in the police car at the end of the flick.
Which leads to whether we know if we’re actually watching the movie and not somewhere in the middle of a Salvia Divinorum trip waiting for the bricks to rebuild the universe for us.
There was a lot of fuzziness in a lot of scenes… I think Arthur fired 9 bullets from his six-shooter in the Bankerbro scene, for example (and that’s without getting into whether Bankerbros would know Sondheim) but if Arthur didn’t kill them, then what happened?
The answer “well, *SOMETHING* like what we saw… maybe it wasn’t exactly like that but it was in the general ballpark” can be satisfying. The answer that Arthur didn’t do anything in the movie at all and is still at home in his apartment, taking care of his mom, going to his job where he spins a sign for furniture stores and just had a really interesting daydream after seeing a group of youths run past (without interacting with him at all) is something that we can’t rule out if we decide to let the nose of the camel in the tent.Report
I think I agree, but we don’t have to go as far as the reductio of your last paragraph. (And to be fair, you didn’t say we had to as far as that reductio. You were just laying out a reductio.)
Does the Batman universe/background story help us out here? Are there things that Batman connoisseurs know that can help fill in the blanks? I ask because I’m only a casual fan of Batman and don’t know all the in’s and out’s.Report
I don’t know about you, but half the Batman Universe stuff took me out of the movie for a second. The Thomas Wayne stuff was really good. The various stuff around the city being called the Gotham variant of whatever they were (it wasn’t just the garbage company being on strike, it was Gotham Waste Disposal, and that sort of thing).
But the… avoiding spoilers… Batman Universe stuff that wasn’t Thomas Wayne and wasn’t a visit to the Gotham Metropolitan Hospital was stuff that jerked me out of the movie for a second.
So… for me… the Batman universe stuff was the weakest part of the movie. Gotham was a good setting and Thomas Wayne a good character allowing multiple interpretations of what happened in the backstory (and I’m sure that the #MeToo movement, peaking in 2017-2018, informed much of the artistic choices involved in showing the maybe/maybe not of the various choices involved in picking one narrative over another).
We’re deliberately going to feel one way about saying that Thomas Wayne’s narrative is likely to be closer to reality. I imagine that Phillips wanted us to feel that way.
If we wander through “maybe this didn’t happen the way it was depicted to us either”, that lets us off that particular hook.Report
I don’t know if this PoV is right about the movie but I really like it- possibly because the rotting world that Joker portrayed was so profoundly vile that it’s comforting to think that it was merely a phantasm filtering through the protagonists twisted mind.Report
I did see the movie this way, although it irritated me a bit because the delusional narrator thing is a bit overdone. I was half expecting Joaquin would turn out to have been Tyler Durden all along.Report
I mean… yeah. The edgelords are edging every which way.Report
I still think that if they wanted to make a Joker origin movie, they really needed to go with the gangster falls into a vat of magical chemicals narrative. Every other narrative is just unsuitable. The Joker is a classic unreliable narrator. Portraying unreliable narrators on film is hard. So while the filmmakers might want to suggest that all of this is in the Joker’s head, there isn’t any way to really make that indefinite enough to the viewers. Its either something that really happened to the character or made up.Report
That might be why I’m not sure I liked the movie.Report
I haven’t seen it yet but having read a bit about the unreliable narration and hallucinations, I was even wondering it we may be meant to possibly interpret that even the Batman/Joker stuff was a hallucination and planned to watch it through that lens. Like a guy thinking he was Napoleon. I’ll report back when/if I see the movie (husband is not super into this one)
Great piece as always Gabriel!Report
Thanks, Kristin. For what it’s worth, I’m glad I saw the movie, even if I’m not sure I liked it. I got it through DVD netflix. In other words, I didn’t pay any more than I was already paying: ergo: I didn’t pay extra to see it at the theater. I’m not sure it would have been worth it.
I.e., I’m not sure I’d recommend it, but I’d be glad to hear your thoughts if you see the movie.
Again, thanks for reading!Report