The Truth is Out There, But is It A Fantasy?… on the X-Files and the difference between sic-fi and fantasy
(Note: Some of my thoughts here are riffed off of comments I made in Jaybird’s Explanation! post over at Mindless Diversions. I recommend that site a lot. For those that have never jumped over to Mindless Diversions, you should. Have fun. You think about politics too much. Relax.)
Over at American Times, Erik has been toying with Alyssa Rosenberg’s musings over whether the X-Files is science fiction or fantasy. I found this question intriguing, despite my having no question that the answer is clearly science fiction. Something about the subject was tickling my brain, but it took a post by Jaybird over at Mindless Diversion to make clear what it was that was nagging me.
The question in the back of my brain whispering to be heard wasn’t “is X-Files science fiction or fantasy?” It was “what is the difference between science fiction and fantasy, anyway?”
This is an oft-debated subject in the nerdesphere, I realize, but none of the methods of categorization ever work well for me. For example, using spaceships as a sci-fi litmus test seems perfect at first blush. Yet I have always considered Star Wars, cinema’s leading creator of awesome spaceships, to be fantasy. Similarly, a book that requires the mechanism of unexplained magic seems to beg to be shelved over in the fantasy stacks. But I have never considered Ursula K. LeGuin’s Lathe of Heaven, which has a protagonist that magically recreates the world to mirror his dreams, as anything other than science fiction. As I was responding to Jaybird’s query, it hit me what the differences between the two closely and tangentially related genres are – for me, anyway.
For me, the best differentiator between sci-fi and fantasy is not plot device, settings, props or costumes; it’s characters.
Fantasy book characters are mythic, and their stories are a way of tweaking and putting new spin on classic archetypes. Fantasy protagonists are heroes and heroines in the capital-H way that Joseph Campbell might use those words. Their authors draw their developments in ways that best allow them to follow quests, chase destinies and vanquish villains. Great fantasy writers are, in their heart of hearts, plagiarists in the best sense of the word. They take the oldest and best stories – the ones that speak to us over time – and they slyly and cleverly rework them so that they feel new and fresh. The best fantasy authors rarely cause us to reflect on our world so much as inspire us to be better in it. This is why for me Star Wars fits so seamlessly into the fantasy genre, the Millennium Falcon not withstanding.
So in a story like Harry Potter, for example, Harry isn’t just a protagonist who happens to be a really good wizard. He is a twist on the lost scion myth, fulfilling his capital-D Destiny to depose the usurper and restore goodness and order. We love Harry because his heart is Pure; his destiny has less to do with his skills than it does his bloodline. Harry might be the quintessential rascal of a boy, but his literary lineage doesn’t stem from Huck Finn and Tom Brown so much as Arthur and Perseus.
Sci-fi characters, on the other hand, are usually people like us who are put into odd and alien situations to make metaphorical points. The writer might well create a world thousands of years in the future where we all live forever in robotic bodies, but the protagonist is generally someone with a 20th or 21st century mind. Though science fiction protagonists are also heroes, they function as a way for us to explore our world’s current trends and fears (on steroids) with eyes similar to our own.
So Guy Montag is a guy very much like us, plopped into an chilling future that allows us to consider the effects of censorship. We read the experiences of Winston Smith to peek at what the potential horrors of a totalitarian Britain would be like for common folk like you and me. The Battlestar Galactaca reboot took people exactly like us, shipped them off to another part of the galaxy, and gave them an enemy within that allowed us to wrap our heads around the specter of terrorist infiltrators, public safety and compassion in the years following 9/11.
At it’s best, Star Trek succeeded in using the crew of the USS Enterprise to explore worlds that weren’t really strange and new, but remarkably like our own. Through their outside-observer eyes they helped us grapple with issues such as race relations, same sex relationships, the efficacy and morality of torture, the rules that govern war, or how we approach our own mortality. The first two series even gave us major characters – Spock and Data – that in different ways allowed us to explore what it is to be human by constantly poking at likable characters that weren’t.
This is why I have never even considered the possibility that the X-Files might be fantasy. It has little to do with whether or not there is a “scientific reason” given for a monster or plot. Erik says he thinks “the show is strongest when it is at its most inexplicable, when it veers off into its most mysterious and confounding plot lines” as a way (I think) to suggest that the show might be fantasy. I disagree, and certainly part of that disagreement stems from the fact that I think that science is at it’s best when tackling “the inexplicable,” things “mysterious and confounding.” Mostly, though, I disagree because I find the characters of Mulder and Scully to be more reflections of us and our internal battles than I do Mythic Heroes.
One of the most human aspects of their characters over time is a dynamic I reflected on over at Mindless Diversions. The series starts off with the premise that Mulder represents Faith and Scully Reason. But as the series continues I would argue that they shift in that dynamic. As the events of each episode (and the movie) passed evidence continued to accrue that there was something to “the supernatural” in general, and the existence of extra-terrestrials more specifically. At some point Scully’s stubborn refusal to acknowledge the definite probability of either is the very opposite of adhering to scientific method; over time it becomes a kind of faith that these things can’t exist in the universe she want to believe in. (This part of Scully’s character development – or lack thereof – was unceremoniously and inexplicably dropkicked at the end of the Duchovny era, which was one of many, many reasons that the show had ceased to be watchable by that point.)
I know that there will be those that will find this way of separating fantasy and science fiction ridiculous, but for me this is the best of all tools to make the sticky distinction.
Oh, and also fantasy has dragons.
Did Cordwainer Smith write science fiction or fantasy? His work is high mythology in a spacesuit, is it not? But it always passes for SF.
What about Orson Scott Card? I’m not sure how to classify him, either, at least not using your criteria.Report
Having not read either, I am the wrong guy to ask.Report
Card writes fantasy…
…oh – sorry, I was thinking about his political ramblings. 😛Report
The line can be hard to draw. Is The Anubis Gates fantasy or SF, when the odd goings-on can be explained either as cutting edge physics or the last gasp of ancient magic?
As for Smith, how can you call spaceships that ward off the Pain of Space by being lined with oysters anything but hard SF?Report
Easy. “Scanners Live in Vain” is a story about taboos and their violation, about the importance (or not) of social hierarchy and the tragedies that await when that hierarchy is disturbed. It’s hard SF on the outside, but inside, it’s something closer to fantasy, or possibly to King Lear.
“Alpha Ralpha Boulevard” is a retelling of the Fall of Man. Maximilien Macht? He’s Lucifer, or, as his name indicates, the greatest one made. “The Dead Lady of Clown Town” is the Hero(ine) with a Thousand Faces. And so forth.Report
And Norstrilia is the Wizard of Oz.Report
If you don’t think of the cross of gold when you hear the word Oz, look again.Report
This is not bad, but you’re making the same mistake all the folks on the MD page are making.
Science fiction and fantasy aren’t mutually exclusive categories of speculative fiction, and the aspects that make you a member of one set aren’t complemented to make you a member of the other.
I agree, character is a major factor of fantasy construction. But character is incidental to whether or not you’re science fiction.
Rejoinder up tomorrow, I hope, on MD.Report
…riffing off you, playing with ideas.
At the heart of science fiction is the explorer, the discoverer, the person we wish to be, conceptualized by action.
At the heart of fantasy, is the person we model ourselves upon. The Knight, The Trickster, The Girl in Chainmail. conceptualized by belief.
and then you have stories about the character who isn’t there… the tabula rasa. Where, I ask, will you put that story? Science fiction or fantasy?Report
Intriguing thoughts. As far as the tabula rasa, I think for me the question is what’s happening? Is the tabula rasa concept a way of diving in and fleshing out concepts of identity? If so, I’m betting it’s sic-fi.Report
it was a story set after a mindwipe. rather short, in fact.Report
Tod,
McCaffery’s books are science fiction wif dragons.Report
I’m sorry, Kim. I don’t make the rules. If they have dragons they have to be put in the fantasy pile over there.Report
Take it up with Stan, the guy who edits Analog (and published certain Pern stories)
Author George R.R. Martin described Analog as having “the reputation of being hard-nosed, steel-clad, scientifically rigorous, and perhaps a bit puritanical”
(last time I checked, Stan was writing about wanting more fantastical elements in science fiction, too).Report
What if they have AI-controlled combat robots that communicate with the pilot via cybernetic mental linkages, and their mission is to defend a space colony from periodic attacks by mindless omniphagic alien beings?Report
Dragon = Fantasy. Period.
Some things you need to be firm on, or else the whole universe will just go to pot.Report
Well then you have to define dragon. Pern’s dragons, for instance were merely psychicly gifted bioengineered flying lizards.Report
They still fit European-style dragons in every sense of the word: fire-breathing, flying giant lizards that people could ride. In fact, they were even more fantastical due to qualities such as psychic powers, teleportation, and even time travel if I recall correctly.Report
Generally correct, though the psychic powers encompassed the teleportation and time travel which is how they made it scienc fictiony instead of fantasy.Report
I wouldn’t go that far. You could conceivably engineer flying reptilian creatures with arbitrarily advanced genetic engineering technology. It’s possible that you could even make them “fire-breathing”.
What makes the Pern dragons fantastical is not merely the fact that they’re dragons, but that they’re
1. Large (physics generally limits the size of your flying creatures unless the atmosphere is much more dense, or they’re made of much stronger material than most flying creatures).
2. Possess abilities that are blatantly magical and/or supernatural, such as teleportation and time travel.Report
Teleportation as measurable psychic power isn’t “magic”, per se.
One note: a sufficiently described system of magic is indistinguishable from a system of physics in an alternate universe. Thus, any “fantasy” novel that spends great time and explication on magic is basically science fiction, with the science just being based on alternate rules.
Inverted, any insufficiently described system of physics is indistinguishable from magic. Thus, any “science fiction” novel that handwaves away physics and treads the road of epic character action is basically fantasy with laser beams instead of fireballs and lightsabers instead of Stormbringer.Report
This sounds right to me.Report
Fantasy == Nostalgia, then?Report
um…. no. But I have to think on why.Report
I’m simple minded. Science fiction has to have science in it. For example, I don’t consider 1984, Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, etc. to be science fiction. They are possible and unpleasant future fiction. Same with Mad Max. Now Cat’s Cradle–science fiction because of the ice-9. Stranger in a Strange Land–science fiction because he’s a Martian. Anyway, I do agree with Tod, dragons =fantasy; wizards =fantasy; magical unicorns=fantasy, or Republican economic policy, take your pick.Report
how about spider robinson?Report
Sci-fi, fantasy? What of demons? I would think they belong to their own mythopoeic category that stands, by my definition, within the Judeo-Christian worldview.Report
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that I might find demons closer to the fantasy end of the spectrum and farther away from the documentary end than you.Report
Satan stands at the crossroads between Judaism and Christianity, because in Judaism he’s really just a minor figure, but in Christianity, he’s this big awesome Dragon (*snerk* teehee!)Report
I have to disagree with the assessment of Harry, who is IMO a capital-T Tool: perhaps he’s fulfilling his destiny, but he is protected, honed, and positioned to do so by Dumbledore.
I’ve always wanted to be the Companion. The person who, at the critical juncture when the Hero/Heroine sticks their hand out behind them and cries “Rope!”, has not only survived all of the same risks as the Hero, but has carried the damned rope the whole way, and remembered to pack it back at the beginning because the Hero can’t be bothered with practical little details.Report
i want to be the one who carried the 10 foot pole. (yup. geeky)Report
Hey, I had a dwarf who made a killing making break-down 12 foot poles. In fact somewhere I still have the parts for the prototype one we actually forged and machined by hand.Report
Mr. Cain, in mythic fantasy, the longstanding tradition is that the Companion gets it, eventually. Only Odysseus gets home.
I’ll stick with being the Cloaked Adviser.Report
Does anyone want to explain to me why Alyssa Rosenberg’s opinions are worthy of being taken so seriously?Report
She started the conversation, and she seems nice?Report
I don’t mean any offense to her or anything, but sometimes it seems like she’s the only critic in the world whose opinion matters.Report
Really? I feel like no one I know knows who she is whenever I mention her.
For me, she has a tendency as a critic to come at a pop culture “thing” from an angle I hadn’t considered. (Admittedly, sometimes this is because I’m a guy.) I always appreciate people who make me stand in new places to look at things I’ve already been looking at.Report
Because she’s watching X-Files for the first time.
You can’t help but feel great envy for (at least some of) the experiences that she will have for the first time.Report
This, in my case. Plus, everybody else is wrong (see today’s MD).Report
SciFi vs Fantasy is easy. If there’s no science there’s no scifi. In all my favorite SciFi stories, the /science/ becomes part of the plot, like another character almost.
It turns out that “sci-fi’ is male-dominated and male-consumed, which accounts for its 6% share of the fiction market. An author looking to make a buck can substitute magic for science, achieve much of the same plot contrivance, and he hasn’t turned off all those women who drop out of math once it hits algebra.
Jordan’s “Wheel of Time” series crosses the line somewhat because the “present” of the story was presaged by a past which was already science fiction – futuristic. Post apocalypse, magic takes center stage. I’m also told (but can’t verify) that women made up the majority of his fans.
I’m currently reading ‘Mysts of Avalon’. Clearly it is fantasy, but has enough history nibbling around the edges to keep my interest. There’s the rub, a guy wants some reality with his fantasy whereas a woman is more than content to let it flow into princess fairy land (as long as she gets to wear beautiful flowing gowns, jewelry and ride a white horse or unicorn).Report
scifi used to be male dominated. that’s really changing. Read any Asaro lately? Ya know, the lady who managed to get elected to President of the Science Fiction Writers Association, even though it explicitly banned women in its charter? (n.b. heinlein ran off with the charter — I rather think they’d have changed it before now, otherwise).
There are a lot of good women writing science fiction — and science fiction has come a long way from pulp where women were just around to shriek and lose their high heels.
FWIW, Women demand more complexity of characters than men do. This shows up a lot in videogaming — far fewer women want the shiny toys of a FPS (except Thief, and Deus Ex. But those prove my point, don’t they?)Report
Oh, there have been GREAT women sc fi *writers*. The issue is the /readers/. You just don’t see women picking up scifi books in the airport bookstores for instance. They’ve (thankfully) gone away from the Harlequin romances with bodice ripping heroes for the most part, my guess is they were embarrassed more by the cover art than the content. 😉Report
[T]he Science Fiction Writers Association… explicitly banned women in its charter.
[Citation needed.]Report
By my count, Catherine Asaro was the fifth female president of the SFWA.
Marta Randell was first (1982-84), followed by Jane Yolen, Barbara Hambly, and Sharon Lee.
I will not attest to the embedded sexism of the entire history of the SFWA. Maybe somebody should ask Marta?
The 1960s and 1970s had quite a few prominent female writers. The 1950s had a fair share of sexism in publishing, I’d imagine, but the 1950s weren’t exactly an exemplar time for anybody.Report
LOL, asking Kimmi for a citation.Report
now, now, I did cite “growth industry”. course that’s just a term of art…Report
I would still put Wheel of Time into the “definitely fantasy” category. The lost civilization in the story made us of the magic, integrating it into almost every aspect of their technology. It was part and parcel of their advanced technology.Report
For Star Wars, I believe the term you are looking for is Space Opera.Report
Yeah, but people say similar things about Star Trek. And yet I still find that I think of one as being fantasy, and the other being sic-fi.Report
So you are saying it’s the difference between opera and soap opera?Report
No, I think I’m not quite going there at all.
I was mostly trying to parse out why I throw somethings into the “fantasy” pile, and others onto the “sic-fi” pile. And I decided for me the answer, more than anything, is character and character development.Report
The Twilight Zone offers a perfect parrallel example. I wouldn’t be able to pin that down either, especially since it’s even more anthology-like than X-Files (at least X-Files has some meta development, unlike the Twilight Zone where each episode exists alone and complete).
Personally, I’ve never liked the distinction much myself. I mean, what if you have knights riding on robotic dragons? Or scientists that go back in time and fool around with prehistoric dinosaurs?
In many ways I look at Game of Thrones more in the Sci-fi light, if only because in addition to being mythic and plot driven, there’s still a lot of social commentary and analsys of ideas (honor, courage, duty). And in many ways (this comes from a viewer the show who has put off reading the books for now), the wall in the north is deeply technological, allowing people and cities to grow soft and decadent while they relegate their duties to technology and a few lone watchmen.Report
Hmm, so in conclusion, I think having relatable, non-mythic characters is part of the “social commentary” function that sci-fi tends to serve. But I’ve done more than enough to blur the distinction I’ve been trying to make, so I’ll give up.Report
everyman must exist. but everyman can be holmes, just as much as watson. In science fiction, there must be the lost man — the one whose surroundings are unknown. Otherwise you’ve just got people talking about stuff Everybody Knows, and that’s Boring.
As an alternative, you could use a child… but people rarely do that. Gives me an idea though!Report
It’s funny you brought these two TV shows up; I had actually given them some thought when I was trying to figure out how I separate sic-fi and fantasy.
I came out on the same end of you with TZ, and without going to far down the rabbit hole decided that I tend to separate them by episode into either sic-fi or fantasy. (Or in some cases, horror. Like the one about the creepy child’s doll that talks, which feared me out as kid when I first saw it.)
And I had the exact same thoughts about Game of Thrones that you just touched on. I decided where I came down on that was that it was a fantasy that the author decided to fuse with political fiction. I think I find that he takes mythic archetypes and puts them in situations where they have to succeed by also being political animals – which is kind of a cool concept. (Or at least was for a while. I am really running out of steam as a reader after Feast for Crows.)Report
The Twilight Zone is horror.Report
btw Tod, congradulations on getting linked to by Rosenberg.Report
I got linked by Rosenberg? Wow, that’s pretty cool!
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Fantasy book characters are mythic, and their stories are a way of tweaking and putting new spin on classic archetypes. . . . This is why for me Star Wars fits so seamlessly into the fantasy genre, the Millennium Falcon not withstanding. * * * Sci-fi characters, on the other hand, are usually people like us who are put into odd and alien situations to make metaphorical points. . . . Though science fiction protagonists are also heroes, they function as a way for us to explore our world’s current trends and fears (on steroids) with eyes similar to our own.
The problem I have with this approach to distinguishing between “science fiction” and “fantasy” is that it means different stories that are set in the same “universe,” featuring the identical characters, technology, etc., are deemed “science fiction” or “fantasy” entirely depending on how a particular writer/director chooses to portray the characters’ interactions with the surrounding world in that particular story. To put it another way, your definition leads to the bizarre result that the Star Wars movies are “fantasy,” but numerous Star Wars comic books and novels featuring the same characters are “science fiction.”Report
Why is this result “bizarre”?Report
All of it (SF and Fantasy) should be grouped under the category of Speculative Fiction, with sub-categories that get more specific than the broad labels we have right now.
In any case, I think the boundary between SF and Fantasy is blurred. You can make points about thematic elements, but what it usually comes down to is that Fantasy is overt about its magical/fantastical elements being fantastical. SF, on the other hand, cloaks its fantastical elements in the guise of “black box” technologies that usually don’t make much sense when you examine the physics. Star Trek may claim to be more scientific, but its science and technology are about as solid as melted butter (and that’s not including situations where you get things like the Q and other such supernatural entities).Report
Thanks! I was assuming no one would click on them all to see what I’d decided to link to; still, picking the links was great fun.Report
I have an easy rule to tell sci-fi and fantasy apart. I don’t. 😉 But here is how I used to define them: Spec-Fi is any story set in an obviously untrue universe.
All works of fiction are ‘untrue’ in some manner, but by ‘obviously untrue’, I mean if we were placed in such a universe, and did not know of the work of fiction, we would not think it odd. There may be no actual Dunder Miffler, but The Office is not spec-fi, because if we ended up there (and had never heard of The Office.) we would think it was entirely reasonable.
Please note that ‘obviously untrue’ sometimes gets a little vague, which is why I once confused some people by referring to Touch by an Angel as Fantasy. Apparently, they _wouldn’t_ have been startled to be in a world with walking and talking angels sent by God.
But, anyway, there are three sorts of common untrue worlds:
Fantasy, in which the world is untrue by things that appear to violate physics. Science Fiction, in which the world is untrue by things that are not true, but could be. Alternate History, the one everyone’s forgotten about, which is untrue because events that we know went one way actually went another.
But at _this_ point, science fiction refers to stories with certain things, like FTL and aliens and time travelers and whatnot. And fantasy refers to stories with certain things, like magic and elves and vampires and stuff.
None of those things are _actually_ more plausible than anything else. There’s a subset of science fiction called ‘hard sci-fi’ that claims to stick to plausible things, but the point isn’t what _does_ violate physics, it’s what _appears_ to, and I’ve given up trying to tell them apart, because my ‘appears’ doesn’t appear to match anyone else’s ‘appears’
I realized that that the idea that FTL is probably _less_ based in physics than a magical secret world that memory-erases people.Report
You may have put a little too much thought into this one Tod. Maybe. Just a little. Although, you do have a point about the dragons.Report
“Put a little to much thought into it?” Meaghan, have you looked around this site? The amount of brain activity we put into craft beer, Game of Thrones, Herman Cain and insurance regulation?
“We Put a Little Too Much Tought Into It” should probably go right up there on the banner under the logo.Report
I think you’re correct Tod, that would make a great tag line for this particular site. In fact, that goes nicely with the conversation around gaining female perspective. I don’t think that the name is why there is a lack of women visiting and commenting on the site. I think the site requires a special kind of person who enjoys putting “a little too much thought” into things.
It appears more men are attracting to this kind of activity then women. It is about finding the right kind of people, not the right gender ratio.Report
What I hear you saying, Meaghan, in a polite and intellectual way, is that we are way too nerdy for our own good.
This is true.Report
Not at all.
Well maybe a little nerdy, but that works for some people. 🙂
My initial comment was brought about by my intrigue. I find you all and your discussions fascinating. I have never met a group of peole who spend so much time and brain power debating and discussing such a variety topics. I beginning to feel like I’m observing a case study in a psychology class somewhere or watching a conversation play out in a bar late at night.Report