43 thoughts on “MAGA versus Taylor Swift

  1. The *ONLY* reasonable play that any given politician should make about any given musician is “I loved their last album!” or, and this is *ONLY* if it’s 100% true, “They were better when Lou Gramm was still the lead singer”.

    AND THAT’S IT. Otherwise, it’s the same thing as any given person out there giving their opinion. It shouldn’t have an impact and it has the additional problem of how the musician is likely to have more charisma than any given politician. Like, do you *WANT* to get into a verbal slap fight with someone who is *USED* to playing to full arenas?

    SHE WRITES HER OWN STUFF. This is someone who knows her audience and knows it well!

    The only consolation that might come from this is that Tay-tay may be able to do something that the Donor class could not do: She could destroy Donald Trump.Report

  2. Thank you for summing this up.

    I’m glad to know I’m not alone.

    I’m convinced people are saddling this woman with their own (very faulty, flimsy at best) perceptions about what she believes just to point fingers at the other side.

    Give this woman a break! I’m not a fan by any stretch, but this caterwauling over her is ‘bout to turn me into one.Report

  3. I did not have white supremacists angry at the paragon of Hot White Womanhood for, cheks notes, on dating the paragon of White Masculinity on my bingo card.Report

  4. We point and mock, but we need to understand that the MAGAs take this very seriously, and most people aren’t really listening.

    They have lost the culture war on many fronts, and instead of moderating their views, are just furiously searching for ways in which they can force their views on an unwilling majority.Report

    1. “There’s something striking about watching the far-right tying itself in knots and attacking Swift and [her boyfriend Travis] Kelce that demonstrates how badly the far-right media has alienated itself from most of society,” Charlie Warzel, a staff writer at The Atlantic who covers the intersection of politics, technology, and culture, told me Tuesday. “They’ve built out this alternate universe and reality of grievance and it feels like instead of using it to wage an effective culture war, they’re fully lost in it and can’t see that they’ve chosen as their primary enemy the person with the literal highest approval rating in American life right now.”

      https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/31/media/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-right-wing-media/index.htmlReport

  5. I think my favorite take so far is this one:

    MAGA’s “T Swift is a psy-op” idiocy has ruined it for the rest of us who have been ripping on Taylor simply because we are misogynistic.

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  6. Brought to you by the same people who cheered on Kid Rock as he took potshots at a case of Bud Light. Just when you think that movement can’t get any more nonsensical, they manage to top themselves.Report

  7. It’s awesome that with the United States on the brink of civil war, the world on the brink of WWIII, that the good people at Ordinary Times continue bringing us the hard hitting stories that really matter – white knighting for one of the richest and most culturally powerful people on the planet.Report

    1. Do you think she deserves the treatment she is getting?

      Do you think the right wing folks doing this should be focused on the other issues you highlight? Because they sure don’t think so.

      Do you disagree that her treatment is a piece of the same puzzle of approach that the culture warriors are bringing on all sorts of other issue?Report

        1. I’ve often buzz-killed a gathering by asking people if they would rather have the life they have or the life they deserve — by which I mean actually deserve, not what they think they deserve.Report

    2. and bringing takes from such shockingly influential Republican Conservative Thinkers as, um, Ramaswamy and Posobiec, and, um, who else exactly? Somebody on Twitter? Really, that’s all we got?Report

      1. Charlie Kirk.
        Who is currently moving into a position of challenging the head of the Republican National Committee for control.

        As I referred to above, our democracy is in peril precisely because people like Charlie Kirk are no longer fringe actors howling in the wind, but major players in deciding how this nation is to be governed.Report

      2. I think it’s hard to say who is and isn’t influential on the conservative side. There’s part of me that would like to think this is a purely extremely online phenomena and few real people actually believe or have heard of this.

        However the vast, vast majority of conservative voters are also going to line up to vote for Donald Trump who increasingly throws in nods to all manner of strange conspiracy theories floating around the conservative ecosystem. Is it any weirder to think there would be widespread credulity towards bizarre beliefs about Taylor Swift than the other conspiracies about Q or the 2020 election that seem to have currency? I don’t know why it would be.Report

  8. Nearly all of this is people looking to produce hot takes. This has nothing to do with Taylor Swift. It’s only about what’s trending. It’s worth noting that most of it doesn’t even refer to a specific thing about her. Most of it’s not even about her, but how we think other people are reacting to her.Report

    1. Maybe the NYT will publish an essay yearning that he repent by starting to identify as an obese, mentally handicapped, gay man. Or woman. Or whatever squares the circle.Report

        1. And now a special message from Travis Kelce, brought to you by the NFL’s partner, Burger King.

          Whopper, whopper, whopper, whopper, junior, double, tripple whopper…Report

    2. Heh, 2010 tweets. Oh to be an historian in 2110.

      But let’s be serious for a moment; there’s a 100% chance that Taylor’s people have, under a mutual NDA, started work on his social media brand. They probably chuckle at his rudimentary NFL media training and report back to Taylor that he’s got potential, but needs a lot of work. Just part of the ROI analysis on whether the Swift/Kelce ’25+ project is greenlit.

      Anonymous sources I have in the Swift camp hint that break-up is showing more favorable numbers with focus groups testing the new single: “I bet on Kansas and lost my ass(ets)”Report

      1. I think that Kelce has legs and staying power. After the disasterous Matty Healy incident, the social media branding team hired a woman on it. Immediately the “chicks love Tom Hiddleston… chicks love Harry Styles…” brainstorming ended and we immediately pivoted away from “poetic and wistful” to “BIG AND DUMB.”

        Watch out sensitive fellas. Your gameplan has just been cut off at the knees. You should have gone to the gym.Report

        1. Big and Dumb, but scores off the charts on loyalty and teamwork. Also accustomed to playing second fiddle to bigger draw.

          Hope it’s a love match and they have a dozen children… maybe they will have discovered the secret to lonely Artists failing at love with other lonely narcissistic artists and a new dating paradigm will emerge?

          The Gretzky, Beckham, Kelce project.

          Though, the DiMaggio/Monroe variable could be a confounder.Report

        1. Oh no… you’re all wrong there. There are no rules. I mean, anyone can SAY whatever they want. What I’m asking is whether all sides have more or less AGREED that it is an acceptable thing to do. I recall lots of gnashing of teeth about what an awful practice it was. Which, if a principled position, should not be something one starts doing just because others are doing it.

          I’ll take your unwillingness to answer my question sincerely as evidence that such complaints were unprincipled crap. THANKS!Report

          1. “What I’m asking is whether all sides have more or less AGREED that it is an acceptable thing to do. ”

            I remember it happening and people like me saying “this is bad, you probably shouldn’t do this” and people like you saying “but we gotta, they’re racist, we gotta, they’re RACIST“.

            So I wouldn’t say that “we” “agreed” on anything, more like you insisted that was how the game was gonna be played now and we said “well, okay then”.Report

          2. Oh, my opinion? It’s the same one as the other 17 times we’ve discussed this. And remember when I said this above? “For *MY* part, I do not care that he tweeted those things.”

            I even said that one of his jokes was funny.

            Has your opinion changed since one of the 17 times we’ve discussed this?Report

  9. Well she’s officially announced she will not be at the Super Bowl. I guess we have to find something else to talk about.Report

    1. I thought it would be obvious that she wasn’t going to be there from the fact that she was going to be at a concert in Japan until four in the morning the day before, but I do see from an internet search that people have carefully calculated the exact distance from concert venue to airport and from airport to football stadium and concluded that if she was literally scooped off the stage by a helicopter and did about a half-kilo of coke on the flight back to the USA she could maybe do the Super Bowl halftime show.Report

      1. They’re looking at it all wrong. If this was ever in the cards the Biden admin was going to lend her a hypersonic jet and top secret cryogenic technology to get here there in a quarter of the time and in a perfectly preserved state.Report

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