Understanding Libertarianism in the Current Moment

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  1. Chip Daniels
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    The dinner party game of “Who goes Trumpist” is always interesting.

    One of the things to note is that different people can arrive at a similar political position via very different routes and have very different ideas camouflaged under common rhetoric.

    This is why the “horseshoe” theory exists, that extreme leftists and extreme rightists are indistinguishable.

    In my experience, people who are insecure and angry and unsettled often flee to extremes- extreme religious practices, or extreme political practices which offer a simplified “Everything You Think Is Right” type of stuff.

    In other words, underneath seemingly reasonable positions like “We should reduce government involvement in our lives” or “We should increase government assistance” can lurk dark personal motives.Report

  2. DensityDuck
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    You’re not wrong to want a nut-free dessert, but neither is it especially profound to note that whenever you look for nuts you find them.Report

  3. Saul Degraw
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    What are two of the main conspiracy theories about Jews?

    1. We are rootless cosmopolitans that control the world by controlling banking, finance, and the media; and

    2. We are rootless cosmopolitans that seek to destroy traditions and religion through our support of International Communism and control of the media.

    Something for everyone basically.Report

  4. LeeEsq
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    Libertarianism always had an interesting relationship with Israel. Many Libertarians found a lot to love about Israel but others just hated it with all their hearts and would speak about Israel in language that you could think would come from the Far Left. On the other blog, people who would decry Sandy Hook trutherism are engaging in Kfar Aza trutherism or are basically trying to argue that the proper Israel response is to come out and do nothing.

    The literal day after the Simchat Torah massacre, there were Pro-Palestinian protests blaming the entire thing on Israel even before Israel did anything in response. Very few people were able to update their priors on Israel. On the other blog, only one poster who was previously harsh on Israel is reevaluating his positions. Others are sticking to their guns.Report

  5. John Puccio
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    However, the basic tenets of Trumpism draw some people with poor social impulses and instincts.

    However, the basic tenets of ANTIFA draw some people with poor social impulses and instincts.

    However, the basic tenets of Trivia Night Tuesdays draw some people with poor social impulses and instincts.

    Etc

    Etc

    Etc

    Show me the group and I’ll find you some assholes.Report

  6. North
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    This article made me ponder for a good little bit. Not because I was particularly conflicted- I’m not, I think you’re at least partially wrong, but I had to mull over how/where I think you’re wrong.

    What I settled on, finally, was that I think we need to separate the blanket term into two pieces. Libertarian thinkers/elite and the libertarian entertainers, rank and file so to speak. This is necessary because I think your analysis is applicable to one group of libertarians but not the overall movement.

    I am not a libertarian myself but I consider my self passingly familiar with libertarian thought. Anyone who argues on behalf on liberals on the internet pretty much needs to be because in our modern history pretty much every non-libertarian right wing though process has atrophied into feeble incoherent glop and it has had to be left to libertarians to hold the line. So most internet liberals and our lefty brethren have often found ourselves tangling with libertarians online because, frankly, everyone else is either easily routed or trolls themselves out of the conversation.

    Libertarian thinkers who subscribe to and, to a degree, shape the ideological tenants of libertarianism are, in my opinion, mostly resistant to the phenomena you’re describing. Ideologically absolutely nothing in libertarianism is congenial to the fostering of antisemitism. Ideological libertarians think government is inept and inefficient- not necessarily malevolent except incidentally in its ineptitude and inefficiency. That’s not a mindset that is geared to conspiracy thinking. The idea that government is running a profound and wide spanning conspiracy against the masses is ludicrous to pure libertarian ideologues; the government can’t even efficiently operate the most rudimentary functions in their view. The idea that the state could run, and keep secret, a vast conspiracy is laughable. To think the state is capable of such a thing would, almost necessarily, disqualify one as a libertarian thinker. I would bet good money that any antisemite libertarian would be utterly dismantled in a debate by an actual, serious ideological libertarian.

    Libertarian rank and file, and especially libertarians who’re not so much thinkers as, well, entertainers who’re in it for the money. Now this bunch is the kind of libertarians who’d be entirely susceptible to what you’re talking about in this article. Some are in it to trigger the leftists, some to have fun, some because they vaguely approve of libertarian nostrums, etc… and the libertarian entertainers who’re looking for money over all (a laudable goal from a libertarian point of view) likely find it lamentably easy to make some ducats from the passionate and highly engaged ranks of antisemites.

    Now this may come as me giving libertarians an easy out but I don’t think I am. Libertarianism is constitutionally uneasy about policing discourse and regulating, well, anything. When you combine this dislike of regulation with several other truisms about modern organizing what it amounts to is that the prospects of libertarianism ever becoming a mass movement strikes me as vanishingly remote. Someone, somewhere, once wittily stated that if your forum moderators have excessive tolerance for nazi’s in a forum then you will shortly find themselves with a forum full of nazi’s and no one else. I’ve been unable to find the original author- just know it’s not my idea. It’s highly applicable to Libertarians as a political movement. First because it’s a very small movement in terms of actual voter support (miniscule in fact) so it’s incredibly easy to hijack. You just need to have a charismatic voice and some deep pocketed supporters and you’re off to the races. We’ve seen this repeatedly over my own adult lifetime as libertarians ended up hijacked over and over. In the early aughts they got hijacked by social cons and neocons after 9/11. For my entire adult life it’s been unambiguous that the wealthy “cut taxes, nothing else matters” crowd has had a strong hand on the libertarian tiller and now, in these weary modern days, it seems the anti-feminists, anti-liberals and antisemites are having a turn at the wheel. I am dubious that this is a curable defect in libertarianism and it’s why I do not think libertarianism will ever graduate from much more than they are now.

    For me libertarianism will always be a useful mental razor or null hypothesis to measure my own liberalism against and I’ve known and profoundly respected many libertarians and libertarian thinkers but I honestly don’t believe there’s much “more” for libertarianism in the future and that’s a little sad really.Report

  7. Christopher Bradley
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    It’s absolutely hilariously that you wasted that many words on something that could have been summed up in a single sentence.Report

  8. Jesse
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    I mean, most of the more reasonable libertarians, have either completely become conservatives as even right-leaning states OK marijuana use (ie. most libertarians) or moderate Democrat’s (your Jared Polises of the world), so the only people left to claim libertarianism outside of whatever billionaire is currently funding Reason to keep Nick Gillepsie in his permanent midlife crisis of buying leather jackets is online weirdos who think you should be able to give heroin to the 9 year old you’re dating, as you don’t wear a seat belt unlicensed.Report

  9. Jaybird
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    A million years ago, when I realized I couldn’t be a libertarian anymore, it was because I got out into the world and saw, up close, what an actual alien culture looked like. I mean, sure. I had been to England and Italy and Germany and Scotland but those cultures are cousins, if you will, to the one that I have (indeed, I visited cousins in Scotland).

    Libertarianism only works if it has a very particular foundation.

    Without that foundation, it’s little more than a null hypothesis at best. At its worst… well… see above.Report

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