Thursday Throughput: Decongestant Edition

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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  1. DensityDuck
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    Eh. They weren’t wrong. Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine were absolutely being used to make methamphetamin.

    The thing about prohibition is that it works. Maybe there’s a bunch of secondary effects we don’t like, but it does do the thing it’s supposed to do: vastly reduce usage of the prohibited item. The Volstead Act reduced alcohol consumption in America by ninety percent, and after its repeal the character and volume of drinking was vastly different than before (alcohol before the Volstead Act was the kind of place we now see occupied by, well, meth and fentanyl…)

    So, the first thing you have to deal with when criticizing prohibition is the fact that prohibition doesn’t not work.Report

  2. Jaybird
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    I would be somewhat pleased to hear that phenylephrine cold products be forced to say “this product’s active ingredient works about as well as Luden’s Wild Cherry Cough Drops (Active Ingredient: Pectin)” somewhere on the front of the box.

    But effectively banning? There are a handful of people who benefit from placebo!

    A year ago, I was talking with the pharmacist as I was picking something up and I mentioned reading a paper on how to make cold medicine from meth. “He said ‘Wait, do you mean making meth from cold medicine?'” and I saw him grow apprehensive (like he had to be a mandatory reporter or something) and I said “No. It’s easy to get meth. They sell it at Acacia Park. It’s hard to get cold medicine.”

    He laughed like I had just made his day.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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      I would likewise be pleased of the medical and pharmaceutical establishments took some plain language training and started using it like normal people. “Congestion” is, medically, swelling of tissues in response to infection. “Congestion” anecdotally is too much mucus in your nose. While there may be swelling AND too much mucus together in the same disease process, lots of people take a “decongestant” to deal with the mucus issue and not the swelling issue – because the mucus is is the one they can see. That right there causes a lot of complaining about lack of effectiveness.Report

  3. PD Shaw
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    I don’t find going to the pharmacist to get pseudoephedrine that inconvenient, let alone punitive. I would probably find mask mandates as posing a similar degree of inconvenience. On the other hand, I don’t think masks, at least the kinds I had access to, are very effective and tried my best to never rely upon them before I was fully vaccinated. Meth is pretty easy to make — about twenty years ago a federal public defender explained how to make it at a party I was at, so it’s so easy a lawyer can make it. The notion that the regulation of pseudoephedrine has no benefit because now meth is being made outside of the country is based upon the premise that demand is entirely inelastic, which might be true for addicts, but the concern should be focused on limiting access to first use.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to PD Shaw
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      “I don’t find going to the pharmacist to get pseudoephedrine that inconvenient, let alone punitive.”

      You can’t go to the pharmacist without a prescription, and you can’t get a prescription without a doctor visit, and if it’s eight PM and you have work tomorrow and the kid’s screaming that he hates his homework you really haven’t got the doctor as an option.Report

      • Kazzy in reply to DensityDuck
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        It doesn’t require a prescription. It just requires you interact with an actual human who is paying attention and who will let someone willing to show/log photo ID buy one box but won’t let someone refusing to do so buy 40 boxes.

        I’ve bought it several times from behind the counter without a script. In fact, I didn’t even know you could buy the altered stuff off the shelf.Report

        • Michael Siegel in reply to Kazzy
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          It varies from state-to-state. In a couple of states you do need a prescription. In others, you are restricted to how much you can buy in 30 days. In most, you will not be able to get it outside of pharmacist hours.Report

          • Kazzy in reply to Michael Siegel
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            Interesting! I’m in NJ and am trying to remember how I bought it… I have memories at both the pharmacy counter and getting it from behind the main check out. But sounds like it is easier here than elsewhere so everyone’s mileage would seem to vary. Thanks.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to PD Shaw
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      In Colorado Springs, it’s behind the counter.

      Like, you have to go to the pharmacist, give him your driver’s license, he’ll write your details into a special book, you’ll have to sign under the special details, and then you can purchase your box of Sudafed.

      It’s like voting, kinda.Report

      • PD Shaw in reply to Jaybird
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        That sounds like my experience. I go to a drug store chain, take a card for the pseudoephedrine product off a shelf and give it to the pharmacist. They will sell it to me after I insert my driver’s license into the same card reader that I will use for my credit card and sign on the screen. It’s basically like doing a credit/debit card transaction twice.Report

  4. John Puccio
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    I take regular OTC Benadryl exclusively as a sleep aid.

    Knocks my ass out every time.Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to John Puccio
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      I asked the nurse for a sleep aid for my wife once when she was in the hospital. The nurse brought two Benedryl. The nurse said if there was real truth in labeling, it would be marked as a sleep aid with a side effect of maybe helping your allergy symptoms. I keep a bottle of them in the medicine box for those occasions when I wake up in the middle of the night — I’m an old man, so that’s not exactly uncommon — and can’t get back to sleep.Report

  5. Michael Cain
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    My problem with the decongestants that work is the rebound. I will use one occasionally if I need to get my sinuses unclogged in order to do a presentation. After a few hours, the congestion always comes back worse than it was before.Report

  6. Mike Schilling
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    And phenylephrine was used as a replacement for pseudoephedrine because … they rhyme?Report

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