Paul Krugman, in one column, highlights the Democratic Party’s failure with rural voters
There is a great line from the Woody Allen movie, Annie Hall, where Alvie Singer (Allen) says, “It’s one thing about intellectuals. They prove that you can be absolutely brilliant and have no idea what’s going on.”
No personifies that more than the New York Times columnist Paul Krugman. It is fair to say he is a terrific economist by all measures (Nobel Prize winner). Still, it is also fair to say that he is a clueless partisan when writing about politics. It’s as if the portion of his brain that can explain in layperson’s terms the formula for quantitive easing switches off, and the Alexandria-Ocasio Cortez portion takes over — the one that sounds somewhat intelligent, but when you look past the veneer, is mind-bogglingly daft.
In Krugman’s latest column, entitled, ‘Can Anything Be Done to Assuage Rural Rage?’ (pleasant start), he haughtily takes aim at research by political scientist Katherine Cramer, who did a study about rural resentment and the perceptions that drive it.
Without a hint of self-awareness, Krugman writes, “As it happens, all three perceptions are largely wrong.”
It is almost as if he doesn’t understand what perception means.
Still, his attempt to reveal the “facts” does more to undermine his rejoinder than it does to help it. In the first “wrong” perception — feeling ignored by policymakers — Krugman points to farm subsidies and rural America subsidy programs, one of which dates back to 1936. He’s serious even though it takes zero effort to think, “Is he serious?”
First, farm subsidies primarily benefit large, corporate “farms” not type one would envision in Grant Wood’s painting, American Gothic. Second, the programs Krugman points to might have had a positive impact for rural residents… 60-80 years ago. Imagine trying to explain to someone in their 30s or 40s in rural Ohio or West Virginia why they should count their blessings about the Rural Utilities Service.
Krugman hilariously pushes back on the lack of resources perception, by pointing to the “major federal programs” of Social Security and Medicare and how rural areas disproportionately benefit from them since “such areas have a disproportionate number of seniors…” So? Social Security and Medicare are entitlements — offered to all American individuals, not something that benefits a particular geographic demographic. And when has Krugman ever identified those entitlements as “federal programs?”
Finally, Krugman points the fact that people in rural areas are more likely to receive government largesse such as Medicaid and other welfare programs. Ironically, what Krugman managed to do here is push back on the widely held misperception (typically held by Democrats and the left) that poverty is something that only afflicts racial minorities in urban areas (not ethnic minorities because another misperception is that poor Asians do not exist).
The Democratic Party’s hyper-focus on identity politics and recent embrace of silly concepts such as intersectionality, anti-racism (where there is no neutrality), and equity, have disengaged themselves from a populace that offered them more electoral support. Democrats have primarily become the party of the upper-crust echelon personified by those who look down upon the “uneducated” (i.e., stupid) in flyover country as a bunch of rubes whose less-than-good situation is entirely of their making.
Krugman complains that Chuck Schumer couldn’t get away with making jokes about the hinterlands the way JD Vance does about New York City. But the politicians don’t have to do it because the press and mainstream pop culture figures are there to do it for them.
The first paragraph of Krugman’s column personifies it:
Rural resentment has become a central fact of American politics — in particular, a pillar of support for the rise of right-wing extremism. As the Republican Party has moved ever further into MAGAland, it has lost votes among educated suburban voters; but this has been offset by a drastic rightward shift in rural areas, which in some places has gone so far that the Democrats who remain face intimidation and are afraid to reveal their party affiliation.
“Right-wing extremism,” “MAGAland,” “educate suburban voters” (see what I mean about how they substitute educate and its forms as a subtle replacement for stupid or dumb?) and the classic, “It’s so skeery around here that I won’t tell people I am a Democrat” trope. You’ll find similar language at the Times, the Washington Post, The Atlantic, MSNBC, CNN, as well as The Daily Show, Last Week Tonight With John Oliver, The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel Live, the list goes on. Why do something yourself, when you can have people do it for you?
Krugman finally acknowledges that part of why people in rural America feel left behind by the government is because of the economic conditions that have plagued these areas for the last 25-30 years:
The economic forces that have been hollowing out rural America are deep and not easily countered.
Of course, that is the damned point. Losing manufacturing facilities, watching as politicians denigrate the industries that have provided jobs for generations (coal, oil and gas, etc.) and promising to put them out of business, as well as the plague of opioid addiction have created a mass of people who thought, “Does the Democratic Party care about us anymore?”
Granted, the notion that a reality show huckster like Donald Trump, implementing counter-productive policies such as tariffs and other trade restrictions that only make the situation worse, is the answer, proved a massive mistake. But when the other side spends more time talking about equity, diversity and inclusion, the so-called plight of the transgender community, calling Republicans a “threat to democracy,” and cutting more checks as opposed to serious policy changes, it’s easy to see why people reject it and only dig in further to their position.
If Krugman and his ilk (the Democratic Party) think dismissing the concerns of rural voters by telling to count their blessings because of government spending and calling them a bunch of moochers who don’t contribute in kind, the rural “rage” as he mockingly puts it, will only continue. And that will cause more people to get elected who aren’t serious about doing the work to fix it, but to build platforms for themselves by echoing that “rage.” But as long as Democrats can rely on an urban area population that votes for them in large numbers, why should they bother to concern themselves with the “basket of deplorables?”
Excellent if brief take-down.Report
The OP opines that rural voters are currently faced with a choice between a party he purports ignores them, and a party whose ostensible leader openly, and with support from said rural voters, pursued policies that actively hurt them.
I believe the author has stolen the agency of rural voters and handed it right to the Democratic Party.Report
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Rural voters are angry, I guess.
About what?
Vast global economic factors hollowing out their communities.
What do they want to do about it?
Ban LGBTQ books, criminalize trans support treatments, ban abortion and cut Social Security and Medicare.
Paul Krugman: Can the anger of rural voters be assuaged?
Rural Voters: Hell no!Report
Team Blue virtue signals and pretends to care & have fixes for various other groups whose concerns are equally nonsensical.Report
Can you point me toward any candidate, anywhere, of either party, who has proposed a fix for rural decline?
Other than the things I and Saul have mentioned?Report
You mean as opposed to how to end inequality without train wrecking the economy or achieving racial “justice”?Report
Don’t forget raging on about gas stoves.Report
The draconian limitations Iowa Republicans are considering imposing on SNAP benefits will really show Paul Krugman how wrong he isReport
I’ve never met an economist who praised Paul Krugman.
To the heart of this article, I can’t properly address this point because Krugman’s piece is behind a paywall, so I could be wrong on this. But it’s common to see articles like this in which the lefty explains that his economics are good for the rural population, who nonetheless vote against their interests. I don’t agree with the left on their economic policies, but that’s a fair kind of argument to have. The problem is that they ignore the non-economic policies. Mike’s article seems to do the same, except for the second-to-last paragraph.
I have to ask the question that Charles Murray asked decades ago. If you were going to die, and you could send your children to a richer family whose morals you didn’t agree with, or a poorer family who you considered to be moral, which would you choose? I don’t think anyone would choose the wealth over the morals. So while we can and should argue over economic policies, we shouldn’t assume that those who vote against their economic self-interests – even if they did so deliberately – are voting wrong.Report
This is my first comment, except unironically.
In this view, rural voters would rather address cultural resentments, even to the point of ignoring economic ones.Report
What else did you expect?Report
Do you understand people of faith? Or perhaps the rage a father feels when his young daughter has to “hold it” until she gets home lest she get abused in her facilities because the free lunch program in their school is now contingent on allowing boys in girls facilities. Except that happened in our city because our country folks won’t comply.
You don’t think they saw that case in VA where they sent the rapist to another school, where he raped another girl, while their school board called the father a liar & had him arrested? The Superintendent was fired recently over it, but his “cultural resentments” caused the rape of 2 young girls & the excuse our weaponized government needed to label those parents “domestic terrorists.”
You know, since I left my former party of tolerance and became an Independent, it has become quite clear to me that the truth is always found within the people on the ground.Report
Sure keep it up and we will dispatch a team of ninja drag queens to confiscate your gas stove.Report
I don’t do kitchens, and it’s been years since I’ve been to a drag show but I do have friend that performed (in his younger years) & he is disgusted that their community has been highjacked by those who prefer to perform for children.Report
Hey! You guys aren’t too bad & I could use that ninja to clean my 2nd story windows.
Just so you know, I defend the liberal side of my family with conservatives also. It’s tough being an Independent having lived in both worlds.
I wonder, do you know about the alternative media, parallel economy & can’t remember the other names, but it’s all the citizens from around the world being censored that includes liberals to the devout? It isn’t just politics but the abuse happening to citizens who depend on their governments everywhere. It’s growing rapidly out of need.Report
“Do you understand people of faith?”
Depends upon the faith.
“Or perhaps the rage a father feels when his young daughter has to “hold it” until she gets home lest she get abused in her facilities because the free lunch program in their school is now contingent on allowing boys in girls facilities.”
My kid had to hold it for four years because the only place they were allowed to use the bathroom didn’t work for him (and didn’t want him there). So.
Perhaps I understand this rage much more viscerally than you presuppose, and you might understand how this particular choice of argument is uncompelling to say the least.
“Except that happened in our city because our country folks won’t comply.”
Which city, which policy, and who was excluded?
“You don’t think they saw that case in VA where they sent the rapist to another school, where he raped another girl, while their school board called the father a liar & had him arrested?”
Well, I just googled “virginia teacher rapist” and I got this story:
https://www.wtvr.com/2016/05/16/virginia-teacher-charged-with-raping-sexually-assaulting-2-students
And this story:
https://richmond.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/retrial-begins-for-henrico-teacher-who-police-say-raped-student/article_d7a84ea6-9631-502f-81da-072041249fc9.html
And this story:
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/virginia-teacher-raped-child-encourages-155152484.html
And this story:
https://www.wric.com/news/taking-action/former-chesterfield-teacher-acquitted-of-sexual-contact-but-claims-left-a-mark-on-his-career/
Seems like there’s some issues with sexual assaults in schools in Virginia generally I wonder why none of these other stories get a mention. That aside, I kept going… until I found this story, which I think is the one you’re talking about:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/12/05/loudoun-school-sexual-assaults-report/
Notably, though, the student doesn’t identify as transgender, was wearing women’s clothes as a disguise, and… Loudon has in place the “you can only use the bathroom of the gender assigned to you at birth”, which is an interesting side bit you neglect to mention. Maybe this wasn’t about bathroom policies.
Also, from that article:
“And the jury concluded the incident demonstrated a lamentable “breakdown of communication amongst multiple parties,” including the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office, the Loudoun County Juvenile Court Service Unit and the Loudoun County Commonwealth’s Attorney’s Office.”
… sound much more about law enforcement and the school district administration being collectively bad at their communication practices?
“The Superintendent was fired recently over it, but his “cultural resentments” caused the rape of 2 young girls & the excuse our weaponized government needed to label those parents “domestic terrorists.””
Yeah, it seems like this is an inaccurate way to describe this story.
“You know, since I left my former party of tolerance and became an Independent, it has become quite clear to me that the truth is always found within the people on the ground.”
Dave Rubin already has this schtick sewn up, don’t know that there’s room for two of you.Report
We can’t assume they are voting morally right either.
Take education – for various reasons the GOP has decided public education, funded by local taxes and federal block grants – is anathema to America. Rural populations generally have few to no options outside public education, and yet they support a party that wants to take away that opportunity. Bad economics and bad morals.
Or how about sex? Like it or not, people who are unmarried have sex. Even in rural communities. Especially in rural communities. Those people need both education on the impacts of unprotected sex, and the ability to have sex in a protected fashion. Yet the GOP has a similarly decades long war to keep kids sexually ignorant while denying them simple effective birth control. I don’t know what the economic argument is here, but the moral argument is unambiguously flawed.
What else are rural voters mad about? They still have disproportionate representation in the Senate. Which means when it comes to agricultural tariffs they get economic protections other industries can only dream about. The Second Amendment? They have yet to loose their guns or their ammunition, and they are generally spared the scourge of handgun violence in cities.
And that leaves the opioid crisis – where we have a long track record of the GOP ignoring the needs of the community and suppressing attempts at enforcement.Report
I agree that we can’t assume the rural voter is right or wrong. You probably need to look at their weighting of the issues. Ideologues like you and me probably see one party as better than the other in all aspects, so our ranking of issues isn’t going to matter. But most people see strengths and weaknesses on each side, and for them, a single-issue analysis isn’t necessarily going to prove their vote to be miscast.Report
I moved to a Podunk town (no street light) in the deep south in the mid 80’s from Olympia WA. Both taught sex education, unprotected sex and all. I can’t say I knew about the Catholic schools plentiful here. Birth control was available as well.
I am pro-choice, the old kind, so I don’t consider abortion birth control, especially since birth control became free to the public the exact year I no longer needed it. Until then, I paid my co-pay to ensure I didn’t get pregnant and I’ll be damned if I wish to pay for the irresponsibility of others (excluding rape/incest).
Funny that many on here require all to adhere to whatever is considered this one size fits all morality. You know, where only people who think like them get to determine morality. Must come from the same morality handbook as censoring. What chapter condones abortion at birth?Report
I grew up in Louisiana. I’ve lived in Seattle, Florida, the National Capitol Region, and now back to coastal Mississippi. I know all the places and systems you know probably as well or better.
No, Mississippi and Louisiana didn’t teach sex ed in school sin the 1980’s – I was in the schools here at that time. Sure, we got the film in health class about sperm and eggs and what they could produce – and the girls got segregated off to learn about their periods. But noting on the public dime about condoms or other birth control. And you sure couldn’t get any of that for free, and doubly not in schools.
I’d also posit that you do pay for the irresponsibility of others – in your auto and homeowners insurance, in the cost of any good you buy that’s subject to liability litigation. So not wanting to pay for real sex ed and birth control for teenagers seems . . . disingenuous . . . . and none of us who support a woman’s body autonomy – including yours – condones abortion at birth (which is already term infanticide). It also doesn’t happen.Report
If abortion opponents meant a single word, contraception would be given out like candy in middle schools. Girls would be given constant encouragement to to be on reliable contraceptives and every boys restroom would have a free condom dispenser.
But, as recent court cases have shown, they generally oppose that too.
It about controlling women’s sexuality and always has been.Report
First World Problems (and lack of imagination).
If “sending my children” to a poorer family would compromise their developing intelligence (nutrition), I would send them to the richer family. If sending my children to a poorer family would give them a more than 5% chance of death before they reach the age of majority, I would send them to the richer family, and trust my own teachings would give them enough moral fiber to see them through.
I would send my children to the poorer family if they’d wind up permanently scarred, though, if it was not in a debilitating fashion. I would send my children to the poorer family, regardless, if I thought they’d be forced to torture others…
I would be morally bound to send my child to the richer family, if the poorer family would fundamentally handicap their ability to make moral decisions [Brave New World-esque nutritional deficiencies that make one complacent or unable to rebel.]Report
Krugman used his Nobel Prize to become a Political commentator. His economic policies before that were fueled by the study of economics. His policies after that were fueled by needing to be popular and wanting to move things to the left.
He’s not an economist anymore.Report
Krugman won in 2008. He had been a vocal liberal since the 1990’s, and was a blind partisan at least by early in the Iraq War. He won as a critic of Bush; the only question is whether he won for being a critic of Bush, and as I’ve said I’ve never heard his economics work praised by economists.Report
If that is so, and not merely another example of Pinky confusing the limits of his knowledge with the facts of the world, there ought to be lots of available stuff from real economists decrying Krugman’s Nobel. I look forward to seeing it.Report
Krugman’s Nobel is solid. Krugman’s political commentary is a mix of pseudo economics and rage.
I vaguely remember someone writing up a list of issues where old-Krugman-the-respectable-economist disagrees with current-Krugman but I can’t find it.Report
Confusing “Krugman The Commentator” with the “Man who won the Nobel Prize” is a hilarious bit of ledgerdemain. He’s got a statue in Hungary, too!
Still: you asked and the internet provides:
evonomics.com/paul-krugman-trade-theory-nobel-gruen/
austrianeconomists.typepad.com/weblog/2008/10/you-cannot-be-s.html
Einstein’s Nobel Prize was a complete ripoff, too. The minutes from those meetings properly record that they wanted to give him a nobel prize for the General theory of Relativity… but nobody had proven it was more than a theory, even if they were pretty sure it was going to work.Report
I wasn’t “confusing” anything. I was specifically addressing Pinky’s comment that “I’ve never heard his economics work praised by economists.” Not a word about “Krugman the Commentator.” If you want to discuss Krugman the Commentator, take it up with someone interested in talking about him.Report
I had assumed they were talking about Krugman’s economic rants and not the Nobel Prize.
Although if memory serves Krugman’s Prize was finding a situation where international trade would be an economic loser and not a winner. The idea was a gov could support it’s own business in one field, drive out other country’s businesses and thus establish a monopoly that could then be exploited.
Whether that situation had every happened in the history of the planet was doubtful because it relied on levels of information and political discipline that normally don’t exist.
It’s like describing in Physics equations how a flat planet can exist without actually finding one.Report
If you’re unsure what Pinky was talking about, ask him.Report
As I recall, he was an anti-Bush partisan early because he looked at what they were saying in his area of expertise and it was quite clear it made zero sense and they were probably lying. This was good pre-training for the Iraq years.
This largely ended up being the GOP view of the Bush Admin as well, so I don’t see why you think being anti-Bush early is somehow disqualifying. It was prescient.Report
I’m not arguing about whether he was right or wrong. It was just an era when it was easy to get a Nobel Peace Prize for opposing Bush, and I think it explains his economics prize too. I mean, two US presidents and a VP won in the 2000’s, along with the IAEA, and we’ve still never gotten an explanation for Obama.Report
Well said, although it seems that many don’t know about the farmers complaining that the Global Green Ponzi Scheme policies are attacking their fertilizer source and the massive amounts of regulations making it next to impossible to process cattle.
They also seem to be catching on better than those in the city, that these attacks are by design. Did you hear they arrested Amish Amos Miller for selling natural food to his same community that was legal before?
But yes, country folks & people of faith, like here in Cajun Country, will give up money for morals and why even in the 4th largest city in our state, we don’t have to depend on the government (FEMA), to save our people or rebuild. The 3 largest are blue cities in our Red state. We are Red with the old kind of blue before woke, where our rural folks are kin.
We have a free food & toiletry store in our poorest part of town. My neighbors, down on their luck with a young daughter, is helped by we neighbors in our subdivision. Ruth’s Angels dropped them gifts & money as well as birthday gifts for their daughters Jan birthday, for Christmas. They still have no idea who was responsible but since the card was religious I was spared having to convince them it wasn’t me (I have no stated religion & they don’t practice theirs).
I grew up hugging a tree in Olympia WA (mothers family) and I refuse to visit there when I fly up to see family because it’s trashed & makes me sad. My Cajun side makes me sad to see the comments on here as they don’t appear to be informed at all & why I appreciate the thoughtful comment you made.
I wonder how many of them know that legacy media has been allowed to monopolize down to 6 large conglomerates. 4 American owned, 2 foreign, that answer at the behest of their benefactors? I only patronize independent media, preferably reporting on the ground around the world.
Thank you.Report
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/lancaster-county-farmer-amos-miller-feds-reach-agreement-concerning-food-safety-fines/article_f66f67d6-7fe2-11ed-8964-1b10c09e960b.html
“Miller came to the attention of federal authorities in 2016, when the Food and Drug Administration said it identified listeria in samples of Miller’s raw milk and found it to be genetically similar to the bacteria in two people who developed listeriosis — one of whom died — after consuming raw milk.”
Even sovereign citizens don’t get to sell diseased milk.Report
Most don’t.
FEMA seems to think they are helping:
https://www.fema.gov/fr/node/620450Report
Instead of having an attitude of resentment for their loss of positional goods, maybe they should instead be grateful for the increase in absolute goods.Report
Sounds about right.Report
Without the badly appropriated Senate, rural voters would basically be irrelevant. Also calling things like anti-racism and intersectionality, plus assuming that they loudest twitter activists are in control of the Democratic Party, reveals more about the writer of this post than it does the Democratic Party.Report
“Without the badly appropriated Senate, rural voters would basically be irrelevant.”
well, yes
that’s kind of the whole point of the Senate, to express the founder’s notion that rural voters should not be irrelevant
and it’s a notion expressed far more directly than peoples’ claim that “the pursuit of happiness” means same-sex marriage bans are an infringement on civil rights
(and that latter is considered sound Constitutional reasoning)Report
the whole point of the Senate, to express the founder’s notion that rural voters should not be irrelevant
In those days, most of the voters were rural, and would remain so long after the last of the founders had decomposed in his grave.Report
Yes, and I always took “small states” to mean the physically small ones like Rhode Island and Delaware whose populations would inevitably be much smaller than states like Virginia and Georgia and Pennsylvania which had (relatively) enormous room to grow their rural populations. The Founders almost certainly did not envision states like Wyoming: physically very large but with tiny populations.Report
One of the questions I thought needed to be researched was whether, once the government was up and running, there were coherent “small state” interests — interests of small states as such — and “large state” interests — interests of large states as such. I have trouble conceiving of an issue where New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Virginia would have been on one side and New Jersey, Rhode Island, Delaware, and North Carolina would have been on the other.Report
Texas and Florida as states should have many of the same interests as California and New York in a rational universe because all have large urbanized populations but they don’t. Culture war wins overall.Report
I think you’re right and practical matters very quickly became commerce and trade rather than large/small. The national bank and mint were early ones. New England opposed the Louisiana Purchase because (what would be) Midwestern farmers would gain a shipping route for grain* other than East Coast ports. Lots of tariff things.
* One of the reasons Lincoln strongly favored preserving the Union early on was the probable cost to Illinois farmers to ship grain through what would be a foreign country to reach the Gulf.Report
That’s an interesting idea. I always thought that small states referred to states that were small in population regardless of geographic size. I’m pretty sure the Founders didn’t guess that urbanization would lead to geographically small states like New Jersey and Maryland holding a relatively big population either.Report
The Founders couldn’t have imagined things like The Netherlands and Brazil?Report
If you dig into it, Georgia sided with “large population” states because they figured they would be one, given their physical size and natural resources.Report
I don’t think that’s really the source of the issue. What they didn’t foresee was the re-emergence of slavery as something so important that admission of new states would be tied to it starting with the Missouri compromise. Our state boundaries in more than a third of the country were set not around rational grography or even necessarily population density but around needing to have both a free state and a slave state for about a 50 year period.Report
I mean, James Madison wanted a proportionally representative Senate, and instead of being some great equalizing put on to stone tables from our Founding God’s, it was a political compromise.
But, I think even the pro-Senate FFers would’ve been like, “wait 65:1? Really, you guys think we would’ve been cool with that?”Report
“I think even the pro-Senate FFers would’ve been like, “wait 65:1? Really, you guys think we would’ve been cool with that?””
Considering that they didn’t even have the Senate directly elected, I think they’d have been like “yes, working as intended”.
The Senate wasn’t supposed to be just Members 335 Through 435 Of The Legislature, it was supposed to be the Insider Friends-When-Not-In-Chamber Gentlemens-Club Backslapping Cabal that provided stability and continuity to the government. (As opposed to the directly-elected House Of Representatives, made intentionally overlarge and short-term so as to limit the influence of any one weirdo pushed into office by a bunch of crazies.)
If you want to say “the FFers would have thought this weird”, they’d have thought it weird that someone could be in the House Of Representatives for literally decades.Report
Interesting… my first reaction to this was that maybe by the time they died, they would’ve already seen some flaws in this assumption, but i found this study showing that the trend toward longer tenures didn’t get started until around 1900.Report
They’re about 17.9% of the population.
For perspective, African Americans are 13.6%.
Figuring out how to ignore a brick of the population that large is probably something we shouldn’t be doing.Report
Seems to be working in the South.Report
It caused problems. For them, the ignored group, and the rest of the country.Report
Its still causing problems. Which is Slade’s point.Report
The present tense was deliberate.Report
Oh I know, but you must remember that Dark is unpersuaded that structural racism exists. He is however convinced its a self-defeating self culture thing that people can simply choose to overcome.
Which I know you know but bear repeating.Report
I disagree. Depends on how you define “rural,” I suppose, but it could be as much as 45% of the national electorate. If we had national population election of the President, that’d be far too many to dismiss as “irrelevant.”Report
Why is anti-racism silly while the gas stove culture war serious? Republicans engage in identity politics too when they do things like this. It just isn’t called identity politics because identity politics is only what the other party does to appeal to its voters.Report
Because Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right!!!
The ironic thing about the gas stove culture war is that there are only four or five states where the majority of residents have gas stoves. They are all very blue and very urban states.Report
“First, farm subsidies primarily benefit large, corporate “farms” not type one would envision in Grant Wood’s painting, American Gothic. Second, the programs Krugman points to might have had a positive impact for rural residents”
It’s much worse than this… Farm Subsidies are for Cities, not for Farms. They are akin to gutting the industrial base in favor of cheap TVs. You can point to the cheap TVs and cheap Eggs as big wins for everyone… but the economic policies come with costs we didn’t fully reckon with in the 70s and 80s when we went all in.
There’s no turning back the clock or doubling down on Neo-Liberal economics… replatforming, solidarity and decentralization are a sustainable path forward. It means higher prices, but also greater food security, sustainable eco-agriculture, healthier products, and better distributed employment, ownership and profits for a much broader sector which will have secondary benefits to society as a whole. We live in a Society, after all.Report
Keep talking like this and you’re going to get lumped in with the commies.Report
They should be so lucky.Report
“breadbasket of deplorables”? has anyone coined that?Report
Someone has now!Report
Republicans, zeroing in with laser-like precision on the things that matter to rural voters:
Job? Haha no.
DRAG QUEENS!
http://www.wvlegislature.gov/Bill_Text_HTML/2023_SESSIONS/RS/bills/sb252%20intr.pdf
A new bill in West Virginia redefines “Obscene material” to mean ANY transvestite or drag performance.
Literally, just the act of wearing a dress is considered obscene.
The Robin Williams movie Mrs. Doubtfire would be categorized as obscene under this bill.
Which is what we’ve been saying.
That for conservatives, the very existence of trans people is an affront and which they intend to eradicate.Report
Nobody figured out how to get politicians to stop writing flagrantly un-Constitutional laws as red meat for their audience. Liberal politicians tend to do this a lot less, but I’m sure you can easily find many examples of this behavior, but this bill clearly goes against the First Amendment. I don’t think the culture war ferment is going to calm down in my lifetime and I’m only in my early 40s.Report
Authoritarianism is always going to be with us, because its the thing that unhappy people drift into to provide an excuse for their behavior.
In this political era, cultural conservatives feel threatened and are responding with rage and bigotry.
Liberal people can’t change the intolerant, but one thing we can do is refuse to accept their lies or treat the essential dignity of marginalized people as something debatable.
Specifically, the anti trans campaign is banking on using the idea of protecting children from obscenity which is universally popular as a cover for their cruelty.
In their minds, “obscene” means showing men wearing dresses, or virtually any expression of non-hetero behavior and the targets go way beyond anything having to do with children.Report
Fixed it for ya.Report
Considering that Krugman’s op-ed produced a ton of responses which amount to “how dare you, Paul Krugman.” I would say he has a point. The innate reflex of the rural population is defensiveness and to to treat any criticism as an attack on honor.Report
And not one, not one single response of “Here’s what would make rural people happy.”Report
I suggested one!Report
As that’s your only other comment upthread . . . . I have to wonder what you mean here.Report
I suggested that we make rural people happy by getting them to change their attitudes.
They ought to be grateful!Report
Indeed. They ought to be. But no one here knows how to do that.Report
Wasn’t all that oxycontin supposed to do that? 🙂Report
Isn’t it crazy when people respond to dispassionate arguments with moral outrage and sputtering indigation?
I really think it gives the game away.Report
Crazy? Maybe, but certainly common. Not that any of us here would do that, of course.Report
I know right?
There they were, at the conference in Wannsee having calm dispassionate arguments when people responded with moral outrage.
It really gave the game away.Report
Did anyone respond “how dare you, Paul Krugman”? Where? Were they rurals?Report